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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 15:59:00 -
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 The forums are being spammed by KB/M and "no aim-assist controller" eliteists who are upset controller users can compete again because we have aim assist like any other console fps. Ban them nao plz
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        |  Killar-12
 The Corporate Raiders
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:01:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:The forums are being spammed by KB/M and "no aim-assist controller" eliteists who are upset controller users can compete again because we have aim assist like any other console fps. Ban them nao plz Ban stupid people like this^ and let us have discussions without going 1984 on us
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        |  Jammeh McJam
 Robbing The Hood
 Public Disorder.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:02:00 -
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 1: D*ck move
 
 2:whats the point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist
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        |  DUST Fiend
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:02:00 -
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 Aim assist probably is just a hair too strong, but it's not as bad as the tears make it out to be.
 
 
 
 
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        |  DUST Fiend
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:03:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear...
 
 It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while....
 
 FLUX double post my bad.
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        |  Cosgar
 ParagonX
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:04:00 -
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 This is why ARs need more drastic kick and dispersion.
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        |  Dust LAG-LAG-LAG-LAG 514
 Chatelain Rapid Response
 Gallente Federation
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:04:00 -
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 aim here to hit
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:04:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:1: D*ck move
 2:whats the point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist
 Protip: don't stand still and shoot back
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        |  Rinzler XVII
 Forsaken Immortals
 Top Men.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:06:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:1: D*ck move
 2:whats the point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist
 
 To quote many a Vet on every single new player issue I have ever made .. Get good stop tryign to hero 3 ppl by yourself in proto gear, if im smart enough to sneak behind and flank you and shoot you in the back you should die .. honestly how hard is it to use cover .. to many vets think they have a god given right to kill ppl with worse gear than them even if they play poorly
 
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        |  Jammeh McJam
 Robbing The Hood
 Public Disorder.
 
 22
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:07:00 -
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 DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. 
 when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever
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        |  Ranger SnakeBlood
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:10:00 -
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 Cosgar wrote:This is why ARs need more drastic kick and dispersion. 
 Recoil yes +1
 Dispersion while firing from hip sure, not while Aiming down sights no thats what recoil is for.
 
 In my opinion this should be most weapon and recoil should be based on DPS, more DPS more recoil.
 
 This coming from a AR user.
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        |  DUST Fiend
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:10:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's called hit detection working, and you standing still so you can get shot, instead of sticking to cover.
 
 Strafing was never a good tactical decision, it was just something born from bad mechanics. The AR didn't have its damage increased, and your HP wasn't decreased, you're just being punished for not paying better attention to your surroundings.
 
 And again, the only ones who should be complaining are heavies and scouts, who as usual, are hit the hardest by this in that scouts are the easiest to kill when hit, and heavies are the easiest to hit.
 
 The only thing that took no skill was dancing side to side and shooting down the way.
 
 (not to say you were strafing since it was never mentioned, but I imagine it's these types of players who stayed away from cover in favor of disco dancing out in the open who seem to be hurt the most by this change)
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        |  Cosgar
 ParagonX
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:14:00 -
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 Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:Cosgar wrote:This is why ARs need more drastic kick and dispersion. Recoil yes +1 Dispersion while firing from hip sure, not while Aiming down sights no thats what recoil is for. In my opinion this should be most weapon and recoil should be based on DPS, more DPS more recoil. This coming from a AR user. The standard AR is meant to be the easy to use "go to" weapon, but it's way too easy to use and always has been. The TAC and Burst are back now but the standard is still too dominant.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:24:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's the ARs fault, not aim assist.
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        |  Michael Arck
 Anubis Prime Syndicate
 
 776
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:27:00 -
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 Lol wow really? That's a little much don't you think?
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        |  Bethhy
 Ancient Exiles
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:28:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's the ARs fault, not aim assist. 
 
 aAHAHAHAHAHAHAH your funny pretending like chromosome never existed, where bullets registered better then they do now.
 A place where aim assists worked perfect. This isn't about bullets actually registering its about a majority of them hitting heads when they have no right to.
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        |  Jade Hasegawa
 Intrepidus XI
 EoN.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:29:00 -
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 DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's called hit detection working, and you standing still so you can get shot, instead of sticking to cover.  Strafing was never a good tactical decision, it was just something born from bad mechanics. The AR didn't have its damage increased, and your HP wasn't decreased, you're just being punished for not paying better attention to your surroundings.  And again, the only ones who should be complaining are heavies and scouts, who as usual, are hit the hardest by this in that scouts are the easiest to kill when hit, and heavies are the easiest to hit.  The only thing that took no skill was dancing side to side and shooting down the way.  (not to say you were strafing since it was never mentioned, but I imagine it's these types of players who stayed away from cover in favor of disco dancing out in the open who seem to be hurt the most by this change) I use cover but ame still getting merked by MLT AR from welloutside the effective range of my TOXIN OR GEK AR that to me shows its too high a setting
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        |  calisk galern
 BurgezzE.T.F
 
 840
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:29:00 -
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 i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
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        |  Minor Treat
 The Enclave Syndicate
 Dark Taboo
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:30:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:1: D*ck move
 2:whats the point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist
 simple use cover.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:31:00 -
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 Bethhy wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's the ARs fault, not aim assist. aAHAHAHAHAHAHAH your funny pretending like chromosome never existed, where bullets registered better then they do now. A place where aim assists worked perfect. This isn't about bullets actually registering its about a majority of them hitting heads when they have no right to. Aim assist targets the body. I played chromosome and it felt similar to this
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        |  Jammeh McJam
 Robbing The Hood
 Public Disorder.
 
 23
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:32:00 -
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 Bethhy wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's the ARs fault, not aim assist. aAHAHAHAHAHAHAH your funny pretending like chromosome never existed, where bullets registered better then they do now. A place where aim assists worked perfect. This isn't about bullets actually registering its about a majority of them hitting heads when they have no right to. 
 YES
 
 I was trying to say something along those lines but I couldn't word it properly
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 170
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:32:00 -
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 calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 Except it dosent aim for you. It makes up for controllers not being as accurate as a mouse
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        |  DUST Fiend
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
 6082
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:33:00 -
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 Jade Hasegawa wrote:I use cover but ame still getting merked by MLT AR from welloutside the effective range of my TOXIN OR GEK AR that to me shows its too high a setting Perhaps it's more of an issue with how easy ARs to use, as opposed to how much aim assist is helping.
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        |  Rinzler XVII
 Forsaken Immortals
 Top Men.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:33:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever 
 Don't use proto gear in pub games you protoscrubbing pubstomper .. serves you right .. cant wait to taste all your lovely tears when you watch 100k + suits go down the drain to my free militia fit
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        |  Garrett Blacknova
 Codex Troopers
 
 3597
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:34:00 -
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 Reported for spam and flame-baiting.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 170
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:35:00 -
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 DUST Fiend wrote:Jade Hasegawa wrote:I use cover but ame still getting merked by MLT AR from welloutside the effective range of my TOXIN OR GEK AR that to me shows its too high a setting Perhaps it's more of an issue with how easy ARs to use, as opposed to how much aim assist is helping.  It seems the only complaints about aim assist are with ARs so I think it's that
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        |  DUST Fiend
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
 6082
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:36:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jade Hasegawa wrote:I use cover but ame still getting merked by MLT AR from welloutside the effective range of my TOXIN OR GEK AR that to me shows its too high a setting Perhaps it's more of an issue with how easy ARs to use, as opposed to how much aim assist is helping.  It seems the only complaints about aim assist are with ARs so I think it's that Don't get me wrong, the aim assist could very well be a tad too high, but just from my initial impressions it didn't seem to alter my gameplay very much.
 
 Admittedly I haven't sat down to thoroughly test it, but I think people are over reacting and looking only at the surface.
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        |  Bethhy
 Ancient Exiles
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:37:00 -
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 Minor Treat wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:1: D*ck move
 2:whats the point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist
 simple use cover. 
 
 Seriously?.. Battlefield tactic's are a given ... a box is a box is a box in any FPS, it does not change gungame. Toggling a button that puts the aim on target for you... will however ruin the gun game of any game.
 
 OMG THERE WAS A BOX, YOU SHOULD STAND NEXT TO IT YOU WONT DIE DERP.
 
 really? who was fighting without going from cover spot to cover spot? have we all been playing WoW and chatting, making funny emotions in the open field all this time?
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        |  Cosgar
 ParagonX
 
 4735
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:39:00 -
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 Bethhy wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's the ARs fault, not aim assist. aAHAHAHAHAHAHAH your funny pretending like chromosome never existed, where bullets registered better then they do now. A place where aim assists worked perfect. This isn't about bullets actually registering its about a majority of them hitting heads when they have no right to. Shots pretty much did register about the same but with more drastic hitbox latency. But back then, the upper tier rifles would kick like donkeys earlier in the clip. Now the AR has laser precision thanks to the new sharpshooting skill.
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        |  calisk galern
 BurgezzE.T.F
 
 840
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:43:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 Except it dosent aim for you. It makes up for controllers not being as accurate as a mouse 
 depends on who you ask, I've never had any problems with aiming in dust.
 
 I do have problems with what I saw yesterday while using my smg, the controller more or less doing everything but pulling the trigger for me, just need to point in their general direction.
 
 regardless it's easy to see what the flavor of the month will be this time around, even if people want to defend the aimbot it will still push everyone into using AR's.
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        |  Bethhy
 Ancient Exiles
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:43:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 Except it dosent aim for you. It makes up for controllers not being as accurate as a mouse 
 Really it doesn't aim for you? seriously don't use protip's if u can't tell the difference between your input and a computer generated aim toggle button.
 
 Any competent person who log's on everyday to actually get better, and doesn't think the game should be made easy... so they can compete... knows this... your just calling yourself out in this defense.
 
 Aim assists are designed to assist you wit fine point aiming not allow you to look in the general direction and toggle a button.
 
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 170
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:45:00 -
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 Bethhy wrote:Dexter307 wrote:calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 Except it dosent aim for you. It makes up for controllers not being as accurate as a mouse Really it doesn't aim for you? seriously don't use protip's if u can't tell the difference between your input and a computer generated aim toggle button. Any competent person who log's on everyday to actually get better, and doesn't think the game should be made easy... so they can compete... knows this... your just calling yourself out in this defense. Aim assists are designed to assist you wit fine point aiming not allow you to look in the general direction and toggle a button. And that's what it does. Aiming isn't that different for me.
 
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        |  shaman oga
 Nexus Balusa Horizon
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 552
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:50:00 -
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 Maybe the aim assist is a little bit too strong, but if it can help the new players and to have more players in general , i support it
  You are a special player super good at aiming
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        |  Jammeh McJam
 Robbing The Hood
 Public Disorder.
 
 23
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:50:00 -
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 Bethhy wrote:Dexter307 wrote:calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 Except it dosent aim for you. It makes up for controllers not being as accurate as a mouse Really it doesn't aim for you? seriously don't use protip's if u can't tell the difference between your input and a computer generated aim toggle button. Any competent person who log's on everyday to actually get better, and doesn't think the game should be made easy... so they can compete... knows this... your just calling yourself out in this defense. Aim assists are designed to assist you wit fine point aiming not allow you to look in the general direction and toggle a button. 
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        |  Bethhy
 Ancient Exiles
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:52:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Bethhy wrote:Dexter307 wrote:calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 Except it dosent aim for you. It makes up for controllers not being as accurate as a mouse Really it doesn't aim for you? seriously don't use protip's if u can't tell the difference between your input and a computer generated aim toggle button. Any competent person who log's on everyday to actually get better, and doesn't think the game should be made easy... so they can compete... knows this... your just calling yourself out in this defense. Aim assists are designed to assist you wit fine point aiming not allow you to look in the general direction and toggle a button. And that's what it does. Aiming isn't that different for me. 
 
 Pretty much explained who you are right there... Sadly most FPS players who call themselfs competitive, log on everyday to practice their aim and get better. Your completely fine with how everything is and your aim is no different....
 
 The other players will tell how much their aim has improved from chromosome and now has been nullified by people who think there should be an "easy" mode for DUST 514
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        |  Justin Tymes
 Dem Durrty Boyz
 Public Disorder.
 
 370
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 16:54:00 -
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 Don't have a problem with Aim Assist just remove ARs from being able to use it. The AR outshines every other weapon with AA, since they lose nothing in 35-40 meters in any situation, and still maintain their ridiculously high DPS.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 174
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 17:04:00 -
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 Bethhy wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Bethhy wrote:Dexter307 wrote:calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 Except it dosent aim for you. It makes up for controllers not being as accurate as a mouse Really it doesn't aim for you? seriously don't use protip's if u can't tell the difference between your input and a computer generated aim toggle button. Any competent person who log's on everyday to actually get better, and doesn't think the game should be made easy... so they can compete... knows this... your just calling yourself out in this defense. Aim assists are designed to assist you wit fine point aiming not allow you to look in the general direction and toggle a button. And that's what it does. Aiming isn't that different for me. Pretty much explained who you are right there... Sadly most FPS players who call themselfs competitive, log on everyday to practice their aim and get better. Your completely fine with how everything is and your aim is no different.... The other players will tell how much their aim has improved from chromosome and now has been nullified by people who think there should be an "easy" mode for DUST 514 *facepalm* I can aim on target WITHOUT aim assist
 
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        |  Cosgar
 ParagonX
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 17:06:00 -
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 Justin Tymes wrote:Don't have a problem with Aim Assist just remove ARs from being able to use it. The AR outshines every other weapon with AA, since they lose nothing in 35-40 meters in any situation, and still maintain their ridiculously high DPS. That's... actually a good idea.
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        |  DJINN Marauder
 Ancient Exiles
 
 1038
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 17:08:00 -
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 DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's called hit detection working, and you standing still so you can get shot, instead of sticking to cover.  Strafing was never a good tactical decision, it was just something born from bad mechanics. The AR didn't have its damage increased, and your HP wasn't decreased, you're just being punished for not paying better attention to your surroundings.  And again, the only ones who should be complaining are heavies and scouts, who as usual, are hit the hardest by this in that scouts are the easiest to kill when hit, and heavies are the easiest to hit.  The only thing that took no skill was dancing side to side and shooting down the way.  (not to say you were strafing since it was never mentioned, but I imagine it's these types of players who stayed away from cover in favor of disco dancing out in the open who seem to be hurt the most by this change) Strafing gave this game something special. Something that other shooters didn't have. Just because YOU couldn't strafe doesn't mean it was a bad mechanic.
 
 How did strafing take no skill? Because to me.. Only the pros who had skill, did it.
 
 
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        |  First Prophet
 Unkn0wn Killers
 
 921
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 17:18:00 -
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 DJINN Marauder wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's called hit detection working, and you standing still so you can get shot, instead of sticking to cover.  Strafing was never a good tactical decision, it was just something born from bad mechanics. The AR didn't have its damage increased, and your HP wasn't decreased, you're just being punished for not paying better attention to your surroundings.  And again, the only ones who should be complaining are heavies and scouts, who as usual, are hit the hardest by this in that scouts are the easiest to kill when hit, and heavies are the easiest to hit.  The only thing that took no skill was dancing side to side and shooting down the way.  (not to say you were strafing since it was never mentioned, but I imagine it's these types of players who stayed away from cover in favor of disco dancing out in the open who seem to be hurt the most by this change) Strafing gave this game something special. Something that other shooters didn't have. Just because YOU couldn't strafe doesn't mean it was a bad mechanic.  How did strafing take no skill? Because to me.. Only the pros who had skill, did it well A lot of people seem to feel like strafing is a no skill tactic, when really it's a different style for a different type of game. It's just what you do in a strafe shooter. And dust has been a strafe shooter. And while I don't personally have a problem with the game moving towards being lower health/higer damage, the whole game will have to be redesigned if that's the route CCP wants to take, and I'm not sure that's the best decision for this game right now.
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        |  Michael Arck
 Anubis Prime Syndicate
 
 782
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 19:30:00 -
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 calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 
 Poor comparison. If you good, you're good. You would find pleasure in beating those who have aim assist on.
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        |  HyperionsThunder
 Ghost Wolf Industries
 Alpha Wolf Pack
 
 29
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 19:35:00 -
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 Isn't this post an example of trolling? I mean, of course people are going to complain about aim-assist, now it is a lot easier to mow people down, and Dust is a culture of complaining when you get killed for any reason.
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        |  Beck Weathers
 High-Damage
 
 1
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 19:39:00 -
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 Michael Arck wrote:calisk galern wrote:i find the people supporting aim assist funny.
 if you get a google car to drive you places will you call yourself a good driver too?
 Poor comparison. If you good, you're good. You would find pleasure in beating those who have aim assist on.  
 I thinks its a decent coparison, being "good" is more than just being good at aiming, its being good at Aiming while dodging shots, troughing off enemy aim and still being able to track your oponent with all the acrobatics. AimAssist might aswell play the game for you, you just kinda just control the legs now.
 
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        |  J0LLY R0G3R
 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
 
 86
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 19:41:00 -
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 Eh I'd rather them take it back out.
 
 Is this how they plan on weaning people off AOE weapons, maybe by making it easy as possible to hit something. While ur at it remove ADS, hip fire for everyone. XD
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        |  Severus Smith
 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
 Caldari State
 
 284
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 19:45:00 -
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 Justin Tymes wrote:This. +1Don't have a problem with Aim Assist just remove ARs from being able to use it. The AR outshines every other weapon with AA, since they lose nothing in 35-40 meters in any situation, and still maintain their ridiculously high DPS. 
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        |  Foxbat 072
 Condotta Rouvenor
 Gallente Federation
 
 4
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 19:46:00 -
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 Kinda sad that anyone would need a diaper to play this game
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        |  Godin Thekiller
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
 471
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 19:46:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:1: D*ck move
 2:whats the point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist
 Protip: don't stand still and shoot back 
 I was behind a guy, and somehow he still shot me. Another time I was jumping, a guy wasn't even aiming at me, and killed me.
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        |  Aria Gomes
 DUST CORE
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 27
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 20:01:00 -
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 If people don't like aim assist why not turn it off. I tried both ways and still played the same way. Right now it's on and I've pretty much have been using militia gear minus my Assault every now and then. Even used a militia shotgun and light suit combo and got 3 kills with it.
 
 I don't mind it personally. At least people are having fun which matters more.
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        |  GET ATMESON
 Dem Durrty Boyz
 Public Disorder.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.09.04 20:05:00 -
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 Aim assist was in the old build. Why are people crying about it now? Is it because it actually made it so they cant run out in the open anymore. I say look at the fact of how many people that ARE NOT crying about it. It tops of how many people are.
 
 I for one am happy now that players cant just run from point A to point B. I'm a heavy and the aim assist doesn't really effects me.
 I know its working for AR and ScR.
 
 CCP aim assist in. I like it more then I hate it. People are just upset that they are being killed more now because people can AIM now.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 180
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 20:58:00 -
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 Just went 25-2 with aim assist off. Its not a problem. We might get the 10% damage buff all weapons got a while ago taken away if people really think that we die to fast now.
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        |  Korvin Lomont
 United Pwnage Service
 RISE of LEGION
 
 123
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:04:00 -
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 Cosgar wrote:Shots pretty much did register about the same but with more drastic hitbox latency. But back then, the upper tier rifles would kick like donkeys earlier in the clip. Now the AR has laser precision thanks to the new sharpshooting skill.
 
 Hmm but the sharpshooter skill is not new. In chromosome th AR operation skill gave 5% reduction to Recoil AND bullet spread. The new sharpshooter skill was actually a nerf for the AR...
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        |  Mobius Wyvern
 Guardian Solutions
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 3436
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:14:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:The forums are being spammed by KB/M and "no aim-assist controller" eliteists who are upset controller users can compete again because we have aim assist like any other console fps. Ban them nao plz Actually, Cat Merc, Arkena, and I have been comparing info and checking videos on YouTube and Twitch and it appears that the aim assist "adherence" is dependent on the speed of your target.
 
 At one point we watched Jungian shoot at this Caldari suit only 50 feet away, and the guy was just missing around him.
 
 He then started to strafe quickly to the side, as he uses a Minmatar Logi suit, and it was as if that Caldari player had a lock on like something out of Section 8, and he just took down his remaining armor instantly with every shot landing.
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        |  Zahle Undt
 Bullet Cluster
 
 280
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:47:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:1: D*ck move
 2:whats the point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist
 
 So you think because you spent more time in this game than some people they shouldn't be able to kill you? Really!? Have you ever really looked at the differences from militia to proto on gear it is surprisingly little. Not to mention that guy using militia gear might actually be a vet who has proficiency 5 in that weapon and is using militia to kick your ass because its cheap
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        |  Zahle Undt
 Bullet Cluster
 
 281
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:49:00 -
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 No one should be banned for having an opinion, period. I think the aimbot crowd is QQing personally, but I would rather argue with them than ban them for having a different opinion than I do.
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        |  Monkey MAC
 killer taxi company
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 139
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:50:00 -
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 There are actually 2 variations, magnetism and adhesion, magnetism is related to strafing, normally when you strafe, your aim translates with you!! However people counter that by aiming in the other direction, this usally cause parralx where it hinges on a point between the two players! Magnetism means that that when you attempt to readjust, sensitive drops causing a drag like effect. Adhesion works when the player attempts to track a moving player, the sensitivity adjusts to reduce flicking back and forth over a target because you keep going to far!! It changes based on the speed of your target, this means when a target start sprinting the sensitivity adjusts to keep up, this makes it feel like you are being dragged, there are not headshot wander or behind wall tracking, stopping input stops aim assist as it is still dependent on your input!-á
 
 
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        |  Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
 Osmon Surveillance
 Caldari State
 
 61
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:51:00 -
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 Basically aim assist is punishment for all the keyboard players who were exploiting the adad strafing. It's not surprising that if they're not moving from their actual position and just piddling back and forth on place that the lock would be harder.
 If you think about it, all it does is follow the player, and if the step back in front of the line of fire the aim assist has less distance to follow to the target...
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        |  stcinla
 Nihil-Obstat Mercs
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 3
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:52:00 -
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 Jammeh McJam wrote:1: D*ck move
 2:whats the point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist
 both true what a D*ck
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 181
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:54:00 -
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 Zahle Undt wrote:No one should be banned for having an opinion, period. I think the aimbot crowd is QQing personally, but I would rather argue with them than ban them for having a different opinion than I do. I was trolling, i dont accually want anyone banned
  Im serious about aim assist being fine though
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        |  Zahle Undt
 Bullet Cluster
 
 281
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 21:57:00 -
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 Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Basically aim assist is punishment for all the keyboard players who were exploiting the adad strafing. It's not surprising that if they're not moving from their actual position and just piddling back and forth on place that the lock would be harder. 
 Thank you sir, this is exactly what I have been saying! These kids that think that moving in a tight little circle while firing and not being able to hit while doing so is tactics and skill. With aim assist on this EXPLOIT (yeah I called it that) no longer works and they are having a tantrum on the forums.
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        |  stcinla
 Nihil-Obstat Mercs
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 3
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.04 22:07:00 -
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 DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's called hit detection working, and you standing still so you can get shot, instead of sticking to cover.  Strafing was never a good tactical decision, it was just something born from bad mechanics. The AR didn't have its damage increased, and your HP wasn't decreased, you're just being punished for not paying better attention to your surroundings.  And again, the only ones who should be complaining are heavies and scouts, who as usual, are hit the hardest by this in that scouts are the easiest to kill when hit, and heavies are the easiest to hit.  The only thing that took no skill was dancing side to side and shooting down the way.  (not to say you were strafing since it was never mentioned, but I imagine it's these types of players who stayed away from cover in favor of disco dancing out in the open who seem to be hurt the most by this change) im a heavy and I cant do sh*t u ppl say get to cover I try but as a heavy I die trying to walk away u ppl say hit them from the side I walk around them 1 sees me tells his budy and I die from a head shout doing 4000 dmg I only have 1000 in all I fell just as bad for my scout friend cuz he dies in 2 hits
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 189
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.05 00:16:00 -
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 stcinla wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:2:whats he point in being a 'vet' when you get killed by militia due to overpowered aim assist You aren't a "vet" if you're getting out aimed by someone less skilled than you when you have better gear... It just makes you a noob who's been around for a while.... FLUX double post my bad. when a militia ar hits my proto it takes out all 700 hp in seconds, even people I know to have bad aiming realistically can do it, it involves no skill whatsoever That's called hit detection working, and you standing still so you can get shot, instead of sticking to cover.  Strafing was never a good tactical decision, it was just something born from bad mechanics. The AR didn't have its damage increased, and your HP wasn't decreased, you're just being punished for not paying better attention to your surroundings.  And again, the only ones who should be complaining are heavies and scouts, who as usual, are hit the hardest by this in that scouts are the easiest to kill when hit, and heavies are the easiest to hit.  The only thing that took no skill was dancing side to side and shooting down the way.  (not to say you were strafing since it was never mentioned, but I imagine it's these types of players who stayed away from cover in favor of disco dancing out in the open who seem to be hurt the most by this change) im a heavy and I cant do sh*t u ppl say get to cover I try but as a heavy I die trying to walk away u ppl say hit them from the side I walk around them 1 sees me tells his budy and I die from a head shout doing 4000 dmg I only have 1000 in all I fell just as bad for my scout friend cuz he dies in 2 hits Then your not a good heavy. Im a heavy and i go 20+ kills with 1-3 deaths a match on average
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        |  STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
 
 25
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.05 00:38:00 -
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 Test stuff out guys and I hope you will see its a little too strong. I have hip fired my Elm-7 laser rifle (yes hip fired) at people in the laser rifles effective range and aim assist stayed on them as they moved and took them down. Try it please, then tell me where the skill in that is. I'm asking you guys nicely to test aim assist out with different things and hopefully you'll agree it wouldn't hurt to tone it down a little.
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        |  Jammeh McJam
 Robbing The Hood
 Public Disorder.
 
 30
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.05 11:53:00 -
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 GET ATMESON wrote:Aim assist was in the old build. Why are people crying about it now? Is it because it actually made it so they cant run out in the open anymore. I say look at the fact of how many people that ARE NOT crying about it. It tops of how many people are.
 I for one am happy now that players cant just run from point A to point B. I'm a heavy and the aim assist doesn't really effects me.
 I know its working for AR and ScR.
 
 CCP aim assist in. I like it more then I hate it. People are just upset that they are being killed more now because people can AIM now.
 
 tbh i'm more annoyed about the fact we can't break the aim assist because we can no longer strafe, I know it was in chromosome but we could still strafe our way out of it, AND it wasn't as strong as it currently is.
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        |  Piraten Hovnoret
 BIG BAD W0LVES
 
 31
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.05 12:03:00 -
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 You are nothing but a troll
 
 You are asking CCP to ban players that have input about game mechanics.
 
 The difference between you and me is that I will defend your freedom to express your self regardless if I agree with you or not however you want to censor any one that don't agree with your point of w
 
 Regards
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 204
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.05 12:30:00 -
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 Piraten Hovnoret wrote:You are nothing but a troll
 You are asking CCP to ban players that have input about game mechanics.
 
 The difference between you and me is that I will defend your freedom to express your self regardless if I agree with you or not however you want to censor any one that don't agree with your point of w
 
 Regards
 Lighten up
 
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        |  Code Slucid
 Ill Omens
 
 39
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.05 13:01:00 -
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 What is this thing called "Cover" oh!!! you mean running away and just kill them from behind ._. lol... i'm jk
  Seriously  I rem in the old built people kept mailing me hate notes saying that militia gear are OP & You are a noob O.o.... I understand people saying that A A is the weakness for K/M & they need it but what about the people who don't use k/M? It not fare for them and don't say "why don't they use it" It deja va  dev tact, caldari logi, flay lock, mass driver & ETC  | 
      
      
        |  demonkiller 12
 G.U.T.Z
 Covert Intervention
 
 172
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.05 13:04:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:The forums are being spammed by KB/M and "no aim-assist controller" eliteists who are upset controller users can compete again because we have aim assist like any other console fps. Ban them nao plz Troll thread, please lock the thread and ban OP
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 DARKSTAR ARMY
 
 204
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.09.05 13:22:00 -
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 demonkiller 12 wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The forums are being spammed by KB/M and "no aim-assist controller" eliteists who are upset controller users can compete again because we have aim assist like any other console fps. Ban them nao plz Troll thread, please lock the thread and ban OP Not trolling anymore, so it's not.
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        |  CCP Logibro
 C C P
 C C P Alliance
 
 1517
 
 
  
 
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 Locked for non-constructive thread.
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