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Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2013.09.04 05:36:00 - [1] - Quote I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know?
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 769	Posted - 2013.09.04 05:39:00 - [2] - Quote EVE has been out for 10 years. Some things take time. EVE has come a long way and so will Dust
AlphaJammer Briscoe and Boris Enterprises LEX LEGIONEM 1	Posted - 2013.09.04 05:57:00 - [3] - Quote Well this is may seem off topic from the original question, but if your looking for a corp/alliance to join, u should join mine, look up Briscoe Magnum, tell him Jammer sent you, ok sorry, being top HR in my corp means i had to do that, and for the original question, is that well apparently EVE was like this 10 years ago, told to me by CEOPyrex, a 10 year eve player, who's got some serious stats, look him up on youtube, also technically, its CCP Shangai who are making this game for the most part, not the CCP guys who made EVE, correct me if im wrong on that subject of whos making that.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 824	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:06:00 - [4] - Quote Remember how Ion Storm made Daikatana, but also made Deus Ex and Thief? Same thing here. Once studio has all the old hats, the other has all the newbies and 'meh' guys. EVE is CCP Iceland, DUST is CCP China. Also, in EVE, get into a corp ASAP, or at least find other people to play with. The enthusiasm will die fast if you don't have a buddy or a community sense. I can also extend your 14 day trial to 21 days, if you haven't bought in yet :p
Cosgar ParagonX 4697	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:14:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: EVE has been out for 10 years. Some things take time. EVE has come a long way and so will Dust This is the correct answer. If you ignore all the impatient self entitled jerks on here, you'll realize that Dust is slowly getting better with each new patch. Sure, there's some growing pains here and there but the game will get better with age. Just gotta give it time.
Annabandak Mercery Knights Of Ender 17	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:16:00 - [6] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know? been playing eve since 2003 and back then , well i think its the same aproach as dust. The rage on forums was way less , eve players tend to be over 30 years with wife & kids and haz a little more patience i geuss seeing the forums , rage about a free game , its just , mmh let be nice , Silly anyway i still think dust haz a great future , if you really fed up , just come back after some weeks/months and see if you enjoy it then. Eve is after 10 years still beta , dying and dead , but the only Mmmorgp after a decade with a growing playerbase. every year i have more fun with that game , but also with dust its getting better in my humble opinion at atleast srry for the bad english o/
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 108	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:20:00 - [7] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Remember how Ion Storm made Daikatana, but also made Deus Ex and Thief? Same thing here. Once studio has all the old hats, the other has all the newbies and 'meh' guys. EVE is CCP Iceland, DUST is CCP China. Also, in EVE, get into a corp ASAP, or at least find other people to play with. The enthusiasm will die fast if you don't have a buddy or a community sense. I can also extend your 14 day trial to 21 days, if you haven't bought in yet :p If you did I would be forever in your debt
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 825	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:23:00 - [8] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Remember how Ion Storm made Daikatana, but also made Deus Ex and Thief? Same thing here. Once studio has all the old hats, the other has all the newbies and 'meh' guys. EVE is CCP Iceland, DUST is CCP China. Also, in EVE, get into a corp ASAP, or at least find other people to play with. The enthusiasm will die fast if you don't have a buddy or a community sense. I can also extend your 14 day trial to 21 days, if you haven't bought in yet :p If you did I would be forever in your debt Send my DUST toon your email address ingame and I'll send you the EVE 'buddy invite'. Don't post it here, don't want you to get spammed with trollcrap.
Billi Gene Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 389	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:24:00 - [9] - Quote reporting this thread for a reasonable and reasoned conversation involving an utter lack of QQ and foot stamping... how very dare you bring this sort of behavior to these forums!
dustwaffle Ill Omens 430	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:31:00 - [10] - Quote 10 years of development over time, tweaking here and there, swinging nerfhammers all over the place etc. has made EVE the gem it is today. Also, stuff gets changed up all the time in EVE, a pay to play game, and the QQ threads are generally of a higher quality than in Dust, a free to play game.

Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 825	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:36:00 - [11] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: 10 years of development over time, tweaking here and there, swinging nerfhammers all over the place etc. has made EVE the gem it is today. Also, stuff gets changed up all the time in EVE, a pay to play game, and the QQ threads are generally of a higher quality than in Dust, a free to play game. Those QQ threads tend to have more weight, what with the paying community having an investment in the game and having a more solid 'numbers' approach to it. They want to make sure the game succeeds and that their money wasn't wasted. I feel it's harder to balance a game with more direct player input, like an FPS, but it's harder to make deeper gameplay in an RPGesque world like EVE. If they could get EVE to last as long as it has though, and it has no signs of slowing, I have faith that DUST will find it's niche. Strafe/DOT shooters are already a rare breed :c
Racro 01 Arifistan The Surrogates Of War 32	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:42:00 - [12] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know? my highlight of eve is the 'iam going to blow your ship up with my shiny ship' aspect of the game (PvP) CCP has had its ups and downs with eve over more than 10 years and currently CCP is expericing the 'High' of EVE i havent played a better MMO (exepct for star wars galaxies (R.I.P), Dust of course and the new FF14 (FCKN AWSOME AND RECOMMEND YOU PLAY)
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 633	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:44:00 - [13] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: -- snip blather -- That was your first mistake. Your second was coming on the Forums when CCP/Shanghai has made one of their worst deployments ever.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1563	Posted - 2013.09.04 06:55:00 - [14] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know? I'm about 3 months into the game and its really nice, especially the Amarrian weapons.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 825	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:10:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know? I'm about 3 months into the game and its really nice, especially the Amarrian weapons. Personally I'm a miner first and a Minmatar pilot second, but the Amarr combat always... entranced... me http://bigamarrianraveparty.ytmnd.com/
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 914	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:14:00 - [16] - Quote I played EVE and didn't like it.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1509	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:16:00 - [17] - Quote First Prophet wrote: I played EVE and didn't like it. its certainly not for everyone and if you dont go into it with friends who can help you out then frankly runing head on into a brick wall repeatedly seems more appealing.
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 914	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:18:00 - [18] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: First Prophet wrote: I played EVE and didn't like it. its certainly not for everyone and if you dont go into it with friends who can help you out then frankly runing head on into a brick wall repeatedly seems more appealing. I had a friend help out a bit but I still couldn't get all that into it.
Cosgar ParagonX 4704	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:19:00 - [19] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: True Adamance wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know? I'm about 3 months into the game and its really nice, especially the Amarrian weapons. Personally I'm a miner first and a Minmatar pilot second, but the Amarr combat always... entranced... me http://bigamarrianraveparty.ytmnd.com/ Amarr are secretly religious ravers.
dustwaffle Ill Omens 437	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:49:00 - [20] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: dustwaffle wrote: 10 years of development over time, tweaking here and there, swinging nerfhammers all over the place etc. has made EVE the gem it is today. Also, stuff gets changed up all the time in EVE, a pay to play game, and the QQ threads are generally of a higher quality than in Dust, a free to play game. Those QQ threads tend to have more weight, what with the paying community having an investment in the game and having a more solid 'numbers' approach to it. They want to make sure the game succeeds and that their money wasn't wasted. I feel it's harder to balance a game with more direct player input, like an FPS, but it's harder to make deeper gameplay in an RPGesque world like EVE. If they could get EVE to last as long as it has though, and it has no signs of slowing, I have faith that DUST will find it's niche. Strafe/DOT shooters are already a rare breed :c Agreed. You can really tell the difference between QQ threads and constructive feedback on the EVE-O forums. Especially since QQ threads generally tend to get shutdown a lot faster by mods and other posters. FPS is balance-able, and yes, it is harder, agreed. However, the countless threads on this or that do nothing towards contributing to balancing. I do like niche games :) Instead of another generic 60 bux shooter/game

Darius Corsiddia Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy 8	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:14:00 - [21] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: First Prophet wrote: I played EVE and didn't like it. its certainly not for everyone and if you dont go into it with friends who can help you out then frankly runing head on into a brick wall repeatedly seems more appealing. I played Eve Online since Apochrypha (2009) but left after 4+ years of trying to stay up on the plateu, but the bulldozer got me and pushed me off the cliff again. Seriously, Saying that Eve isn't for everyone, is perhaps the most apropriate response I ever read. Most on the Eve forums will tell you to get the hell out, and ask if they can have your stuff as you leave It's like that on most older game forums I suppose. The veterans have decided this is THE way this game is supposed to be played, and if you don't like it, make sure to close the door behind you as you leave. But it is supposed to be a mmoRPG, even if the "rpg" part is mostly about PvP and alliances, and not about the game lore.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 235	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:21:00 - [22] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: First Prophet wrote: I played EVE and didn't like it. its certainly not for everyone and if you dont go into it with friends who can help you out then frankly runing head on into a brick wall repeatedly seems more appealing. I had a friend help out a bit but I still couldn't get all that into it. I can imagine what that entailed... mining and pve... bore... you guys need to pvp! Seriously anyone starting eve, 1st of give it a few days to get used to the controls and menus , get familiar with the ships and equipment. After that if you want action, join RvB or an alliance like that. Constant pvp, jump in with cheap ass ships with cheap ass fits and do it as you would do in DUST.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 827	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:27:00 - [23] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Remember how Ion Storm made Daikatana, but also made Deus Ex and Thief? Same thing here. Once studio has all the old hats, the other has all the newbies and 'meh' guys. EVE is CCP Iceland, DUST is CCP China. Also, in EVE, get into a corp ASAP, or at least find other people to play with. The enthusiasm will die fast if you don't have a buddy or a community sense. I can also extend your 14 day trial to 21 days, if you haven't bought in yet :p If you did I would be forever in your debt Send my DUST toon your email address ingame and I'll send you the EVE 'buddy invite'. Don't post it here, don't want you to get spammed with trollcrap. Also, be sure to annote which letters are caps and which aren't, DUST messages are all in ALLCAPS RAGE Whenever you're ready Ray
Kinkku-Ananas Kepappi Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:37:00 - [24] - Quote Best thing in EVE currently is black ops. I want to blackops drop dust battles as a third party (in dust), that would be fun.
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 916	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:41:00 - [25] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: First Prophet wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: First Prophet wrote: I played EVE and didn't like it. its certainly not for everyone and if you dont go into it with friends who can help you out then frankly runing head on into a brick wall repeatedly seems more appealing. I had a friend help out a bit but I still couldn't get all that into it. you guys need to pvp! A bit of the first you mentioned, then some plexing in a fleet in FW. Since I'm not really the miner type. As fun as it was being in a fleet, I just couldn't get past the controls and stuff. But that might've been 'cause I always played on a laptop. IDK. The game had some moments but it's too few and far between for my tastes.
Nihilus Warwick Pradox XVI 24	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:44:00 - [26] - Quote Annabandak Mercery wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know? been playing eve since 2003 and back then , well i think its the same aproach as dust. The rage on forums was way less , eve players tend to be over 30 years with wife & kids and haz a little more patience i geuss seeing the forums , rage about a free game , its just , mmh let be nice , Silly anyway i still think dust haz a great future , if you really fed up , just come back after some weeks/months and see if you enjoy it then. Eve is after 10 years still beta , dying and dead , but the only Mmmorgp after a decade with a growing playerbase. every year i have more fun with that game , but also with dust its getting better in my humble opinion at atleast srry for the bad english o/ edit: if you got questions with eve or need help or so , mail one of my mains in eve: Lugalbandak Lol, I'm 30 and have a wife and kid. Totally me your stereotype. I play eve now too. Thrag Warwick. Currently fighting for the Caldari in FW.
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2013.09.04 19:33:00 - [27] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Remember how Ion Storm made Daikatana, but also made Deus Ex and Thief? Same thing here. Once studio has all the old hats, the other has all the newbies and 'meh' guys. EVE is CCP Iceland, DUST is CCP China. Also, in EVE, get into a corp ASAP, or at least find other people to play with. The enthusiasm will die fast if you don't have a buddy or a community sense. I can also extend your 14 day trial to 21 days, if you haven't bought in yet :p If you did I would be forever in your debt Send my DUST toon your email address ingame and I'll send you the EVE 'buddy invite'. Don't post it here, don't want you to get spammed with trollcrap. Also, be sure to annote which letters are caps and which aren't, DUST messages are all in ALLCAPS RAGE Whenever you're ready Ray Sorry I was offline. Here, they can spam troll this all they want I made it specifically for EVE anyway: [email protected]
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:03:00 - [28] - Quote Sorry replace the 4 with a 3. I repeat, [email protected]
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 131	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:12:00 - [29] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know? It took EvE 10 years to get up there. EvE was just the same as dust is right now when they started off. Give Dust514 5 years. Surely people will stay play it in 5 years.
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:27:00 - [30] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: I guess I did it in celebration of the 1.4 patch, and after continuing my reading on the lore...Well...I got entranced by the Universe. I have to say, it is one of the biggest and more...Freedom filled worlds I've ever played in. Well done, I have to say to CCP. I had a lot of fun, even just flying around in the never ending blackness that was space (Despite the lack of uber-direct control you're given over your ship as opposed to your merc) I do have to ask, how in the world it is that CCP got to something so fun, when Dust, while fun, isn't at the level of enjoyability I got from exploring New Eden in EVE Online. What in the world did they do in EVE that they're doing so differently in DUST? Any EVE vets know? It took EvE 10 years to get up there. EvE was just the same as dust is right now when they started off. Give Dust514 5 years. Surely people will stay play it in 5 years. I'm sure it won't take 5 years to become REALLY enjoyable. 2 at most probably, maybe 2 and a half to become truly different in a way that is obvious. And no, it didn't take EVE 10 years to become good. EVE just had its tenth birthday. There's a difference.



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