A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada!
Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input!

People will whine because Forge gun sniping is not a problem.

People wanting to stay still results in FG sniping.

Although i wouldnt mind. Only direct hits with my Kaalakiota FG.I could still snipe you.

Have you ever rail sniped? it isn't really far away, plus its a LONG RANGE weapon. As for Forge guns they fire a huge blob of anti matter ****, that you want to hit like lead from a standard gun?

I understand that it would still be possible to snipe with the FG, but you wouldn't be ontop of a building shooting the ground near an objective and killing everyone hacking it.

A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada!
Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input!

you are right.I dont use a Assault Forge gun so i dont need plash damage to get kills. I would be on top of the building shooting directly a poor dude....Believe it or not , Except SOME players that actually aim for Splash damage kills , some forge gunners have skill. The splash damage is , in the CASE I miss, to do some damage as a reward, for using a Fat a** and having spent a LOT of SP to get to weaponry 5, Heavy weapon operation 3,Forge gun proficiency 5mreload speed 3,ammo capacity 4 and Proficiency 4.....

Im against it , by the way, your proposition. But i want just you to know, that even with a splash damage reduction/removal,You will still be shot in the face by good FG snipers at 300+ mts away....

If AV grenades/missiles/crutch launchers get nerfed to only 110% damage against armor, and forge/blaster/rail get nerfed to 110% against shields.

People will whine because Forge gun sniping is not a problem.

People wanting to stay still results in FG sniping.

Although i wouldnt mind. Only direct hits with my Kaalakiota FG.I could still snipe you.

While I agree it's not a serious problem I disagree with your statement hat you have to be standing still, in the few games I've been in where there has been a forgegunner causing me problems I could be in a scout suit with speed mods, zig zagging, stopping, running, jumping, moving in a way NOBODY could predict (I'm a sniper mostly so I think I'd know) and suddenly I am blasted to dust by some guy 500 meters away

While I agree it's not a serious problem I disagree with your statement hat you have to be standing still, in the few games I've been in where there has been a forgegunner causing me problems I could be in a scout suit with speed mods, zig zagging, stopping, running, jumping, moving in a way NOBODY could predict (I'm a sniper mostly so I think I'd know) and suddenly I am blasted to dust by some guy 500 meters away

I dont mind. I railgun tank most of the time up close and personal with my soma. I can land direct hits on moving infantry and still be no.1 on leaderboard. If you remove splash damage, my tank sure as hell better be cheaper to restock, especially the railguns.

HOW TO FORGE SNIPE:
1. Aim at infantry
2. Wait for reticle to turn red
3. ????? oh wait LOL, BOOM
4. Profit.

One quick question, because if you are really close, shouldn't you be using a blaster? (I mean at close range it does do the most damage of the three) And, yes, tanks should be cheaper or tougher, but that's a discussion for another forum...

Well yea, but then it wouldn't be challenging so QQ's cant say my tank is op

wont bother me, none. all the good tankers can get a direct hit on a merc with 20% accuracy on a bad day.

or, you know, you could htfu. lol.

I understand that it would still be possible to snipe with the FG, but you wouldn't be ontop of a building shooting the ground near an objective and killing everyone hacking it.

Well, that's your opinion. I still feel being able to say "My tank is not OP" is not worth getting blown up more.

I don't think you realize how easy it is to score direct hits with forge guns and rails.

The only people who kill with splash are the people who are bad at it. Everyone else just hits you directly and lololols at their OHK.

I don't think you realize how easy it is to score direct hits with forge guns and rails.

The only people who kill with splash are the people who are bad at it. Everyone else just hits you directly and lololols at their OHK.

I see your point, but sadly its the only way to have fun for me, tank vs tank i wish i had more experiences, but with that fitting if a proto av ahole shoots at me from afar, i can at least go down swinging.

this. doesnt matter if they are moving or not, wait for the red, instawin.

I completely agree, if you can land direct hits, I deserve to die. But, if you are FG sniping and notice an objective is being hacked, but can't see me, you shouldn't be able to shoot the ground near the objective and kill me.

I blame CCP not the forge gunner. Who designs a map where you have areas only accessible to drop ships that allow the other 90% of the map to be as easily hit as if they were standing in front of you & out of range of all but 2 weapons?

Biggest complaint from the closed portion of the beta, Line Harvest Map and the stupid towers.

... ccp's response was to make a domination map - that A capture/hack point overlooked perfectly by someone on the northern one closer to the east side. But wait these skilled players weren't just content with forge sniping or putting a tank on there... for some reason our rookie pilot could not figure out how to get up that high while staying alive against the 4 forge gunners shooting at him. To add to their cowardice they put uplinks inside the pipe right under the tower.... funny how my proto level Flux grenades seemed to not be able to destroy them when landing and detonating right upon them.

Ladders and Elevators to the high spots or make some other change to the maps, oh right I forgot the sniper rifle, .... it apparently seemed to like hitting the ledge they were standing on and they were shooting thru versus actually hitting the truly low caliber players that like to hide up there for cheap kills.

I'm pretty sure you're actually being hit directly, sir.

AFAIK (Unless this was fixed recently) the hitbox for objectives is obnoxious and absorbs almost all splash damage around it.

And you're not agreeing with me, Sir. IMO, Just because you can hit someone directly with a charge up shotgun doesn't mean you deserve to die. The ease of use of the forge gun does not justify it's power versus infantry, in my humble opinion. It's a problem gun. People say it's supposed to kill both vehicles and infantry, and I do not like this. In my mind, it's an AV weapon. People should never prefer to stick with an AV weapon as a primary rather than switch to their sidearm for AP work.

Honestly, I'd prefer it if they made it like AV grenades, which deal reduced damage to infantry and their normal damage to vehicles, or something like that. OFC the lore/realism crowd are going to say "BUT IT IS A CHARGED PLASMA ROUND GOING 7km/s!!!!"

My response is this : Lore being used to justify bad/unfun gameplay is bad lore. Lore needs to be used to explain good and fun things after they are established, not the other way around.

When it comes to railguns, pretty much all of them have a pretty low splash except for the compressed. All that one needs is its splash being brought into line with the other rail turrets, and it's totally fine. Forge splash is a bit high too IMO, but it's not able to OHK pretty much any suit in the game (any more) which makes it tolerable, even if I'd personally like to see it toned down.

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I think there was a misunderstanding, i meant the "I deserve to die" statement as if someone had landed a direct hit on me. Also, I agree that the splash radius/damage needs to be toned down for the FG's and Compressed RGs.

Don't flux grenades only do shield damage or am I thinking of something else? Also, isn't that what these forums are for? We can voice our complaints, and hopefully they will get fixed.

A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada!
Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input!

I know what you meant.

I don't think that you deserve to die just because someone can hit you directly with an easy to aim weapon. :)

A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada!
Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input!

A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada!
Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input!

A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. !

Is the direct damage hitbox the actual size of the FG's projectile?

I know what you meant.

I don't think that you deserve to die just because someone can hit you directly with an easy to aim weapon. :)

The FLUX are supposed to destory uplinks and nano-hives with no problem, ccp has allowed the in-pipe glitch as they can't seem to fix it.

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One simple step...

Nothing

Leave them alone

Now the devs can work on moar stuff

hmmmm could we get CCP to nerf the MD as well, i would prefer if they didnt have the splash dmg when im hacking the obj as well make it so that the MD also has to do direct hits since splash is too OP hehe

Jesus christ, the FG is fine. Removing the splash? Well then why not do the same with the MD?

At the end of the day its a good AV weapon as a first role and an area denial role second. The problem is from what Wakko has said, Forgers can get high in a DS and then stay there with some support. And without ladders to reach them they have the upper hand. If CCP would add ladders then this would be a none issue. The problem is with the maps not the gun.

At the end of the day the splash on a forge is smaller than a grenade!! Its not like these things can hit you from 6-8m away.

People say its' easy' and how it should deal less damage against infantry, I say Bollocks. What makes it 'easy' is stupid blue berries attitudes, going for that hack a fifth time with rounds still flying in? died there twice to a forge, lets see if hes still looking?

With regards to SP, then its HUGE sink to get the extra damage to even make the splash damage effective. You dont notice improvement until 3-4 Prof.

Also note that even as 'OP' as this weapon is, not alot of people are using it. Why? Because its not 'easy'! People have actualy been using this gun for nearly 5 months, and know how to use it effectively now, so why cry nerf?

Adapt or Die kiddies.

As a forge gun user, I gotta say.. There really is no point to having splash damage. It's very weak, even in the assault variant. If they removed it, I really wouldn't bat an eye. But, you're still going to have people who ***** and moan when someone lands a dead-on skill shot and 1 shots them. So really, you can't win, because no matter what you do people will cry "nerf".

you do relive when something going at insane speed and fired from a powerful cannon will leave holes int eh ground right? without splash damage how will railguns kill infantry. makeing a direct hit with them is difficult. and our splash is only 234 from the particle cannon. without splash we dont have an effecive mean of dealing with infantry we cant direclty hit.

People will whine because Forge gun sniping is not a problem.

People wanting to stay still results in FG sniping.

Although i wouldnt mind. Only direct hits with my Kaalakiota FG.I could still snipe you.

How about some "magnetic lockon" only to vehicles, instalations. Let say visible transparent area with double radius than crosshair so we can shoot with prediction. If infantry staying right in front of vehicle or instalation you can score the kill, otherwise you can't lockon on infantry = FG won't shoot (like swarms).

Then this FG magnetic & SL lockons will be used to alarm vehicles pilots, that there is AV weapon ready to shoot at you (or something already is flying your way).

I can hit moving targets easy, and I know people who can as well. So yea......

you are right.I dont use a Assault Forge gun so i dont need plash damage to get kills. I would be on top of the building shooting directly a poor dude....Believe it or not , Except SOME players that actually aim for Splash damage kills , some forge gunners have skill. The splash damage is , in the CASE I miss, to do some damage as a reward, for using a Fat a** and having spent a LOT of SP to get to weaponry 5, Heavy weapon operation 3,Forge gun proficiency 5mreload speed 3,ammo capacity 4 and Proficiency 4.....

Im against it , by the way, your proposition. But i want just you to know, that even with a splash damage reduction/removal,You will still be shot in the face by good FG snipers at 300+ mts away....

I can't kill with splash damage. But I can do at least 17-3 with a MLT. IMO AR range is the easiest because they walk right into the blast.