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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:35:00 -
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Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:]
I think there was a misunderstanding, i meant the "I deserve to die" statement as if someone had landed a direct hit on me. Also, I agree that the splash radius/damage needs to be toned down for the FG's and Compressed RGs.
I know what you meant.
I don't think that you deserve to die just because someone can hit you directly with an easy to aim weapon. :) |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
337
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Posted - 2013.09.03 05:52:00 -
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Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:
Don't flux grenades only do shield damage or am I thinking of something else? Also, isn't that what these forums are for? We can voice our complaints, and hopefully they will get fixed.
The FLUX are supposed to destory uplinks and nano-hives with no problem, ccp has allowed the in-pipe glitch as they can't seem to fix it. |
THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Public Disorder.
103
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:16:00 -
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Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input! Dislike |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
340
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:26:00 -
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If the idea of splash is a problem I'm sure most of us who use FGs or Rail Turrets will happily have our weapons changed to hit-scan. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
614
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:27:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:]
I think there was a misunderstanding, i meant the "I deserve to die" statement as if someone had landed a direct hit on me. Also, I agree that the splash radius/damage needs to be toned down for the FG's and Compressed RGs. I know what you meant. I don't think that you deserve to die just because someone can hit you directly with an easy to aim weapon. :) AR? |
BLKDG
RoyalSquad514
70
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Posted - 2013.09.03 07:34:00 -
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Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input!
One simple step...
Nothing
Leave them alone
Now the devs can work on moar stuff |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
447
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Posted - 2013.09.03 07:43:00 -
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hmmmm could we get CCP to nerf the MD as well, i would prefer if they didnt have the splash dmg when im hacking the obj as well make it so that the MD also has to do direct hits since splash is too OP hehe |
SAMPSON YOLO
TeamPlayers EoN.
8
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Posted - 2013.09.03 08:03:00 -
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Jesus christ, the FG is fine. Removing the splash? Well then why not do the same with the MD?
At the end of the day its a good AV weapon as a first role and an area denial role second. The problem is from what Wakko has said, Forgers can get high in a DS and then stay there with some support. And without ladders to reach them they have the upper hand. If CCP would add ladders then this would be a none issue. The problem is with the maps not the gun.
At the end of the day the splash on a forge is smaller than a grenade!! Its not like these things can hit you from 6-8m away.
People say its' easy' and how it should deal less damage against infantry, I say Bollocks. What makes it 'easy' is stupid blue berries attitudes, going for that hack a fifth time with rounds still flying in? died there twice to a forge, lets see if hes still looking?
With regards to SP, then its HUGE sink to get the extra damage to even make the splash damage effective. You dont notice improvement until 3-4 Prof.
Also note that even as 'OP' as this weapon is, not alot of people are using it. Why? Because its not 'easy'! People have actualy been using this gun for nearly 5 months, and know how to use it effectively now, so why cry nerf?
Adapt or Die kiddies.
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Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
345
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Posted - 2013.09.03 08:07:00 -
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Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input!
As a forge gun user, I gotta say.. There really is no point to having splash damage. It's very weak, even in the assault variant. If they removed it, I really wouldn't bat an eye. But, you're still going to have people who ***** and moan when someone lands a dead-on skill shot and 1 shots them. So really, you can't win, because no matter what you do people will cry "nerf". |
Racro 01 Arifistan
The Surrogates Of War
32
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:55:00 -
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Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. !
you do relive when something going at insane speed and fired from a powerful cannon will leave holes int eh ground right? without splash damage how will railguns kill infantry. makeing a direct hit with them is difficult. and our splash is only 234 from the particle cannon. without splash we dont have an effecive mean of dealing with infantry we cant direclty hit. |
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Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:33:00 -
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Smoky Fingers wrote:Is the direct damage hitbox the actual size of the FG's projectile?
Anyone out there know? |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:34:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:]
I think there was a misunderstanding, i meant the "I deserve to die" statement as if someone had landed a direct hit on me. Also, I agree that the splash radius/damage needs to be toned down for the FG's and Compressed RGs. I know what you meant. I don't think that you deserve to die just because someone can hit you directly with an easy to aim weapon. :)
Well, unless I am in a tank or a LLAV I will probably die. |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:34:00 -
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Wakko03 wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:
Don't flux grenades only do shield damage or am I thinking of something else? Also, isn't that what these forums are for? We can voice our complaints, and hopefully they will get fixed.
The FLUX are supposed to destory uplinks and nano-hives with no problem, ccp has allowed the in-pipe glitch as they can't seem to fix it.
Ok, well then make some forums and get the word around. |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:35:00 -
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THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input! Dislike
Would you mind telling me why? Or do you not have a good reason? |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:37:00 -
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BLKDG wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input! One simple step... Nothing Leave them alone Now the devs can work on moar stuff
Or, they could fix this now and not have to come back to it later. |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:39:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:hmmmm could we get CCP to nerf the MD as well, i would prefer if they didnt have the splash dmg when im hacking the obj as well make it so that the MD also has to do direct hits since splash is too OP hehe
I disagree with you. I understand that the MD has a great splash damage, and so does the FG, but the only difference is that you cant kill people withh MD's from 500+m... |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:45:00 -
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SAMPSON YOLO wrote:Jesus christ, the FG is fine. Removing the splash? Well then why not do the same with the MD?
At the end of the day its a good AV weapon as a first role and an area denial role second. The problem is from what Wakko has said, Forgers can get high in a DS and then stay there with some support. And without ladders to reach them they have the upper hand. If CCP would add ladders then this would be a none issue. The problem is with the maps not the gun.
At the end of the day the splash on a forge is smaller than a grenade!! Its not like these things can hit you from 6-8m away.
People say its' easy' and how it should deal less damage against infantry, I say Bollocks. What makes it 'easy' is stupid blue berries attitudes, going for that hack a fifth time with rounds still flying in? died there twice to a forge, lets see if hes still looking?
With regards to SP, then its HUGE sink to get the extra damage to even make the splash damage effective. You dont notice improvement until 3-4 Prof.
Also note that even as 'OP' as this weapon is, not alot of people are using it. Why? Because its not 'easy'! People have actualy been using this gun for nearly 5 months, and know how to use it effectively now, so why cry nerf?
Adapt or Die kiddies.
Ok, well if the FG is suppost to be an "area denial" tool, then limit the splash damage to say 100m? And the problem becomes: I tried to hack obj A, got blasted, went to B, got blasted, C&D same thing, same guy because he's on top of his MCC and can kill anyone who attempts to hack the objectives. I don't know where you are getting you facts from, but frankly you are mistaken. Forge Gun snipping has been going on since the closed Beta. People have been doing this since the game launched. Its plenty easy, you just aim at the objective and fire. |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:48:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input! As a forge gun user, I gotta say.. There really is no point to having splash damage. It's very weak, even in the assault variant. If they removed it, I really wouldn't bat an eye. But, you're still going to have people who ***** and moan when someone lands a dead-on skill shot and 1 shots them. So really, you can't win, because no matter what you do people will cry "nerf".
People will always cry nerf. Even if it becomes useless they will complain if it kills them. I'm not concerned about those people, I'm concerned about the growing game play style that involves getting on top of something 650m away from anyone else where the structure's hit box will protect you from enemies, and killing people who are trying to hack the objectives that you can't even make out from the surrounding terrain. |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:54:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. ! you do relive when something going at insane speed and fired from a powerful cannon will leave holes int eh ground right? without splash damage how will railguns kill infantry. makeing a direct hit with them is difficult. and our splash is only 234 from the particle cannon. without splash we dont have an effecive mean of dealing with infantry we cant direclty hit.
Actually you can land direct hits with both the FG and the RG. It would just require more skill. If you don't have the required skill to land direct hits, then what will you use it for? AV, like it was supposed to be used for. The RG is being used the same way, so what if we remove the splash damage? Well, then people won't be using it for sniping infantry, they will use it for killing turrets, LAVs, HAVs, and Dropships. Then they will recall that tank and call in their blaster tank and go get up close and personal with you, so you can shoot back. |
Keeriam Miray
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:07:00 -
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How about some "magnetic lockon" only to vehicles, instalations. Let say visible transparent area with double radius than crosshair so we can shoot with prediction. If infantry staying right in front of vehicle or instalation you can score the kill, otherwise you can't lockon on infantry = FG won't shoot (like swarms).
Then this FG magnetic & SL lockons will be used to alarm vehicles pilots, that there is AV weapon ready to shoot at you (or something already is flying your way). |
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
458
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:09:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input! People will whine because Forge gun sniping is not a problem. People wanting to stay still results in FG sniping. Although i wouldnt mind. Only direct hits with my Kaalakiota FG.I could still snipe you.
I can hit moving targets easy, and I know people who can as well. So yea...... |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:10:00 -
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Keeriam Miray wrote:How about some "magnetic lockon" only to vehicles, instalations. Let say visible transparent area with double radius than crosshair so we can shoot with prediction. If infantry staying right in front of vehicle or instalation you can score the kill, otherwise you can't lockon on infantry = FG won't shoot (like swarms).
Then this FG magnetic & SL lockons will be used to alarm vehicles pilots, that there is AV weapon ready to shoot at you (or something already is flying your way).
Great idea! Not only would this stop people from sniping with the FG, but then they would use it as it was intended to be used, as an AV weapon. |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:12:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input! People will whine because Forge gun sniping is not a problem. People wanting to stay still results in FG sniping. Although i wouldnt mind. Only direct hits with my Kaalakiota FG.I could still snipe you. I can hit moving targets easy, and I know people who can as well. So yea......
Good for you, but the problem I am addressing is the splash damage is being used to kill people hacking objectives even though the Forge Gunner can't see them... |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
220
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:14:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input! People will whine because Forge gun sniping is not a problem. People wanting to stay still results in FG sniping. Although i wouldnt mind. Only direct hits with my Kaalakiota FG.I could still snipe you. I understand that it would still be possible to snipe with the FG, but you wouldn't be ontop of a building shooting the ground near an objective and killing everyone hacking it. you are right.I dont use a Assault Forge gun so i dont need plash damage to get kills. I would be on top of the building shooting directly a poor dude....Believe it or not , Except SOME players that actually aim for Splash damage kills , some forge gunners have skill. The splash damage is , in the CASE I miss, to do some damage as a reward, for using a Fat a** and having spent a LOT of SP to get to weaponry 5, Heavy weapon operation 3,Forge gun proficiency 5mreload speed 3,ammo capacity 4 and Proficiency 4..... Im against it , by the way, your proposition. But i want just you to know, that even with a splash damage reduction/removal,You will still be shot in the face by good FG snipers at 300+ mts away.... I can't kill with splash damage. But I can do at least 17-3 with a MLT. IMO AR range is the easiest because they walk right into the blast. |
Bendaiii Schrodinger
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:19:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bendaiii Schrodinger wrote:A simple fix for getting rid of Sniper Tanking and Forge Gun Sniping. Long story short, get rid of the splash damage for Rail Guns and Forge Guns. Then people will no longer be able to just shoot near objectives and kill everyone trying to hack it with the Forge Gun, and, unless they are really skilled, will be using it for AV. Same with Rail Guns. Unless you are really skilled, you won't be able to hit infantry from really far away, so you will use it for AV. Tada! Now I understand that I am obviously an idiot, and that this is a horribly stupid idea, but please tell me why! I wouldn't have posted this had I known why it was a horrible idea... Thanks for your input! People will whine because Forge gun sniping is not a problem. People wanting to stay still results in FG sniping. Although i wouldnt mind. Only direct hits with my Kaalakiota FG.I could still snipe you. I understand that it would still be possible to snipe with the FG, but you wouldn't be ontop of a building shooting the ground near an objective and killing everyone hacking it. you are right.I dont use a Assault Forge gun so i dont need plash damage to get kills. I would be on top of the building shooting directly a poor dude....Believe it or not , Except SOME players that actually aim for Splash damage kills , some forge gunners have skill. The splash damage is , in the CASE I miss, to do some damage as a reward, for using a Fat a** and having spent a LOT of SP to get to weaponry 5, Heavy weapon operation 3,Forge gun proficiency 5mreload speed 3,ammo capacity 4 and Proficiency 4..... Im against it , by the way, your proposition. But i want just you to know, that even with a splash damage reduction/removal,You will still be shot in the face by good FG snipers at 300+ mts away.... I can't kill with splash damage. But I can do at least 17-3 with a MLT. IMO AR range is the easiest because they walk right into the blast.
Well you may not be able to get kills with the splash, but I have seen plenty of people using assault FG's get splash kills from the redline, or on top of towers, or on top of mountains, or on top of their MCC. |
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