We Gallante have four eyes... I,am not worried in the slightest.

It should makes all scan related skills and mods more useful as well.

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When the update gets live alot of players will struggle to find enemys which will make matches most likely longer.
My concern is that you are more likely to get ambushed by 10+ guys. Another thing this will nerf snipers massively cause they rely massively on the red chevrons which appear on the map.
Massdrivers and forgegunners wont be affected so much cause they are usually in the heart of the battlefield (rooftops lol) and just keep shoting everything that moves.
Another thing that people forget is that tanks will aswell be aible to survive longer.
Now lets get to the main point what this will mean for our dear blueberrys and vets:
-blueberrys will have a even harder time to survive or even get a kill
-vets with better hardware (surround sound headsets) will still be aible to locate enemys due to gunfire, explosions and the noise that vehicles make.
Simple sayd if you dont have situational awareness you are going to get screwed hard.
And i honestly start to think that nova knife scouts will be aible murder alot of people cause they wont show up for the whole squad when some 1 spotted them. We are going to see that the elite will become even more superior.
You have to think about it that usually when you shot a n00b in the crowd from behind he will turn around and return fire and then die. Because he did that he highlighted you for his whole squad up which means that instead 1 guy turning around all 6 did it.
This "feature" will be cut and then you are going to be aible to murder a whole squad on your own.

It should makes all scan related skills and mods more useful as well.

Effects - Squads have to use teamwork and comms instead of 'oh i can see a tank on the otherside of the map through all these buildings'

They need a map grid system . "Over there westward" Is not going to cut it if someone is calling me for AV support and he can't light it up for me .

I highly doubt that, I agree on the active scanner this thing will become a lot more usefull. But the scanrelated skills affects only passive scanning which is borked as hell with only 10m scanradius...

The 10 meters we get now sucks, but I still believe that having some points into scan related skills(they aren't meant to replace mods, just compliment them)will be useful.

Without teammates lighting up enemies all over the place, having a high scan radius and low scan precision will help keep you alive.

Not to mention, having a low scan profile will help keep you off the radar from the influx of people who will be using the active scanner.

As a Shotgun Scout, I'm very worried about this change.

Your kidding? As a shotgun scout.. I can't wait.

I'm already the ghost of the field. dying only cause of that team vision. now tho... hahahaha!!

Your kidding? As a shotgun scout.. I can't wait.

I'm already the ghost of the field. dying only cause of that team vision. now tho... hahahaha!!

Was thinking the same. Although this feels more like a "stick" rather than a "carrot."

At the very least it should be interesting to see how things play out.

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....aw crap!

Actually, with Gallente Scout skills, you can get your scan radius above 15m on that suit - but ONLY that suit.

Add mods and it's possible to break 30m scan radius.

Maybe Light Frame suits should get that Scan Radius buff we've been asking for since forever ago, and Scouts should get a "passive scanning lights targets up for squadmates" special ability on top of the advantages already provided?

20m with maxed skills no mods, 56m max with 4 best range mods

20m with maxed skills no mods, 56m max with 4 best range mods

CCP did that to force you to skill into Scanners. you have to use it.

Which means a Scout has to pour almost all of our CPU and PG into our equipment slot, leaving us about the same speed as a moderately-buffed Assault, and far slower than a Logi who can carry a Scanner AND other equipment as well as the required speed modules to outpace a Scout, and still with more HP than the Scout has.

If you fit a Scout to be a Scout, they literally have ZERO advantages beyond stamina over the other suits now. At least before this nerf, we could have passive scanning as an option and be a sneaky behind-lines SCOUT in a SCOUT suit.

And in spite of that, our own near-invisibility makes me not so angry about the whole thing. I like being invisible. If I just keep in mind to kill the enemy Scout first, I'll be fine, because he's the only one who can draw attention to me.

Your kidding? As a shotgun scout.. I can't wait.

I'm already the ghost of the field. dying only cause of that team vision. now tho... hahahaha!!

I was so not thinking when I wrote that.

It's actually 22.5m with no mods though. The skills don't add the way you're adding them.

You don't do 50% + 50% = 100% then follow with 10 + 100% = 20.

10 + 50% = 15
15 + 50% = 22.5

Now add modules

It's stupid as **** that they're removing it. Remove team vision, sure. But squad vision? That's really stupid. Their reasoning is so that we'll have to communicate more, but that doesn't change how stupid it is.

If they would add the commander mode they've said we'll be getting for over a year now, and gave the commander in the MCC team vision so that he could communicate redberry locations to everyone, I would be much, much happier with their decision.

no -_- you non believers... skills are working with BASE numbers of suit, not some base + ramdom skills YOU LIKE.
if it works like you think, then by skilling up it in particular way you can have more scan range than some other person... so two ramdom gk.0 with maxed skill will have different scan range.

the only issue I have is the loss of vision of your own team mates, beyond that I am happy with the change.

Uhhh... no. Not true. You might want to test some really basic numbers and prove yourself wrong.

Assuming the game uses one specific skill first, then the other, and doesn't just apply the largest skill first to avoid this problem, lets take a look with an example:

Lets imagine that one player has the Long Range Scanning skill maxed (+50%) and Gallente Scout skill at level 4 (+40%).
Now another player thinks "If I skill up my Scout skill to max first, it'll give me more benefit" and does that (+50%), THEN upgrades the Long Range Scanning skill to level 4 (+40%).

Both players have a +40% and a +50% modifier applied to their scan range.

10 + 50% = 15
15 + 40% = 21

10 + 40% = 14
14 + 50% = 21

You'll notice that no matter which skill is trained to max first, or which skill is applied first, the results are precisely identical, because adding a series of percentage increases always works that way. Not only is this the way EVE Online handles skills, but it's been tested and confirmed in DUST across several updates in both Chromosome and Uprising.

but it's been tested and confirmed in DUST across several updates in both Chromosome and Uprising.

Yeah that scheme works, but you do guessworks, only CCP can give us real numbers.
I run passive scan gallente scout from CBT... some ppl believe that now, with maxed skills & 2 Cml Range Mods you will have 47-50m scan range. But i run this scout fit and can''t see enemy beyond 50m on my radar & the best thing i can pick up proto scouts that trying to get behind me, but this should not be possible with current game mechanic. Try to explain that...
Last time Nestil was trying get behind me in ambush mod in gallente com. outpost. He & i know that nobody was able to see him coming from behind several buildings. I saw him coming on my radar 40m+ away, we did some short cqc shotgun fight, then i killed him with nade.

Back in chromo my max scan range was 80m+ , now it's 56m max. I know how scan range works in Dust, no matter how it's supposed to be working, and i know that scan presicion is full of magic - not working as intended.
Sometime i can pick up proto scout, sometime i can't pick up heavy in front of me, and i don't think there is ninja HMGs heavys with dampner modules.