Like it, want it, probably won't get it.

Yeah well if you get points for just damaging me with auto lock on swarms and the precision aim of forge guns then I'd better not die in 2-4 hits to AV....

I said you'd get more HP in the deal, please drop the venom a tad Mr. Nine. Also, Vehicles shoot at vehicles too, so you'd benefit from using a railgun on a SniperTank, but it retreating before you finish it off. Like I said, everyone wins :D

I'm just saying it would have to be pretty significant (hp boost) because you can imagine how many More people on the team would have and use AV were this the case.

Yes. This was even an argument for the strong AV we have now. "If we can't kill a tank, the we get no WPs!"

Bring it back. Then make tanks ++bar again.

Bam. Satisfies everyone.

And then we have people abuse it in fac war matches to gain sp. go sit in the distance away from everything and damage the tank slightly let it rep rinse and repeat.

There needs to be this AND
a freakin damage based reward system. Not who got the one shot. The one who did the most work.
Everyone feels this.
Swarms when competing for a kill against something that kills faster. (FG)
A sniper that loses his points because the last 10 hp is taken away by AR. or the other way around.
HAVs that kill installations, but their turret operators wait last second to fire just to get more points.
Whether it be exploiting or just players being donkeys, its broken or just needs polishing.

True, but if more people use AV then the groundpounders have an easier time cloning the enemy because a Swarm can't touch an AR. I was thinking 1-3k HP for a tank, but its been SO long since I tanked I have no idea how much HP they have, should have, have if well fit, nor how much each HP matters. I'd need actual HAV/LAV/Derpship pilots to come in here and give me the numbers end of this. I'd also like the set Turrets to be effected by this as well.

The practice is known as 'Last Hitting' and is the most immersion breaking metagaming irritant made popular by MOBAs since passing the blame.

If they gave it to us again, it would be so amazing. I would cap out my weekly SP in just two hours and would not have to play the game at all. All I would need is to get into a match with a corpie on the other side - with a cheap lav and a repair gun for the LAV. This would be even more awesome than just sitting in a MCC all day!

I'm just saying it would have to be pretty significant (hp boost) because you can imagine how many More people on the team would have and use AV were this the case.

I was just curious if anyone remembered these and why we got them. We used to get 15 points for doing decent damage to a HAV, 10 for LAVs, 20 for the MCC (we used to Forge that so hard :p) etc.

I was thinking, if CCP would reinstate the feature, would the AV crowd consent to a buff to Vehicle HP across the board? You get WP for actively deterring the enemy vehicles, and a bonus bunch for securing their destruction/death of the pilot. The Vehicles get longer survivability and the ability to give points to the enemy without those points being too few for the invested time in killing them or being solely from their death (which leads to demented AV players rushing into redlines and getting killed just to get their WP). AVers get WP and can stop going all or nothing, Vehicles get less lost gear and greater survivability, everyone wins :D

In fact, we could use a similar system to allow people to deter snipers as well, give 5 WP for depleting an enemy shield. I'm sure someone can put more thought into this facet than me, gotta go out in a minute, but just leaving it here to spark ideas.

then this becomes away to quickly farm the enemy vehicles to get an orbital strike quicker. why destroy vehicle for 150 wp whn we can continusly get slight point increments throught the entire match and get orbital stikes quicker.

Yes. This was even an argument for the strong AV we have now. "If we can't kill a tank, the we get no WPs!"

Bring it back. Then make tanks ++bar again.

Bam. Satisfies everyone.

I want it! Gimme gimme!

They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back.

They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back.

a good tanker will get hit once or twice and bounce. Then hel come back shortly after and repeat. You would get so many warpoints so quickly you wont even want to kill the tank, youd farm the hell out of his tank for points

There are already many farming methods, and all are way more effective than this. We can't live in fear of boosters best way to deal with it is to just seperate the relationship of WP and OB, then no one will care about farmers/boosters.

i agree. but if WPs dont give orbitals then there is no purpose to collect warpoints

But CCP reduced pts for everything

Like being a log you get so many pts then it stops even thos you are still repping ppl, when you kill some one or revive ppl the pts dont stop

Same with spider tanking and DS, no pts for anything

They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back.

restrict WP payout in case vehicles are recalled



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Bringing this back is the only way I would accept an AV damage nerf . As long as killing is the only way for the AV trooper to be compensated for his work , then he should be able to kill . Despite what tankers think AV is NOT cheap .

Imagined Vehicle:
2000 HP Shield
6000 HP Armor
600 WP Potential (Armor_HP / 10)


1) Awarding WP:
As vehicle takes shield damage, no WP is awarded.
As vehicle takes armor damage, WP can be awarded:
If Armor_HP drops below WP_Potential*10
WP_Award = WP_Potential - Armor_HP/10
WP_Potential = WP_Potential - WP_Award
Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout = Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout + WP_Award

Purpose: Limit WP payout from damaging vehicles

2) Dealing with recalls
If a user recalls a vehicle, the next vehicle shall have a limit to its WP_Potential:
If Vehicle called
WP_Potential = WP_Potential - Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout
If Vehicle destroyed
Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout = 0

Purpose: restrict WP payout in case vehicles are recalled



Alternative WP_Potential for vehicles:
WP_Potential = Vehicle_ISK_Cost / 1000


Alternative to dealing with recalls:
Only pay out Damage WPs upon the destruction of the vehicle...

They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back.

how would you feel about bringing back mcc damage points?

Then we'd be rid of you that much faster :D

In all seriousness though, good luck getting that to work at all in a full match without someone on one side or the other either trying to stop you or trying to 'help' you kill the LAV.

I hope you are not serious. If you think ppl would have any difficulty boosting, you are deluded - ppl who are serious about squeezing SP out of the game in the shortest time possible are not noobs, they would have that scheme working like a well oiled clockwork in no time.