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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
808
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Posted - 2013.09.02 04:37:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:a good tanker will get hit once or twice and bounce. Then hel come back shortly after and repeat. You would get so many warpoints so quickly you wont even want to kill the tank, youd farm the hell out of his tank for points
There are already many farming methods, and all are way more effective than this. We can't live in fear of boosters best way to deal with it is to just seperate the relationship of WP and OB, then no one will care about farmers/boosters. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1032
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Posted - 2013.09.02 04:42:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:a good tanker will get hit once or twice and bounce. Then hel come back shortly after and repeat. You would get so many warpoints so quickly you wont even want to kill the tank, youd farm the hell out of his tank for points There are already many farming methods, and all are way more effective than this. We can't live in fear of boosters best way to deal with it is to just seperate the relationship of WP and OB, then no one will care about farmers/boosters.
i agree. but if WPs dont give orbitals then there is no purpose to collect warpoints |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
809
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Posted - 2013.09.02 05:18:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:a good tanker will get hit once or twice and bounce. Then hel come back shortly after and repeat. You would get so many warpoints so quickly you wont even want to kill the tank, youd farm the hell out of his tank for points There are already many farming methods, and all are way more effective than this. We can't live in fear of boosters best way to deal with it is to just seperate the relationship of WP and OB, then no one will care about farmers/boosters. i agree. but if WPs dont give orbitals then there is no purpose to collect warpoints
That's the point. There is no purpose to collecting WP, they aren't trading cards. They are supposed to be a general view about how 'good' a person is, and as such should be rewarded when a player does a helpful action. There is an SP cap in place to prevent people from farming obscene SP, so the only reason we don't get WP for things like vehicular repair or vehivular damage, its because of OBs. Next time you lose a tank to a demented AV way in your redline, it is because he WANTS the few WP it allows. And if that AVer leaves you burning at 20 HP, you won't get repaired because noone gets points for repairing you. We need to make OBs work on something else so we can have all these points back and give people incentive to function in rolls other than 'pewpewpew50WPKILL pewpew25WPASSIST killstealer :c' |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
809
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:48:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:But CCP reduced pts for everything
Like being a log you get so many pts then it stops even thos you are still repping ppl, when you kill some one or revive ppl the pts dont stop
Same with spider tanking and DS, no pts for anything
See my other thread Taka, it's right up your alley. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=106198&p=2 |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
210
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Posted - 2013.09.02 08:11:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back.
Imagined Vehicle: 2000 HP Shield 6000 HP Armor 600 WP Potential (Armor_HP / 10)
1) Awarding WP: As vehicle takes shield damage, no WP is awarded. As vehicle takes armor damage, WP can be awarded: If Armor_HP drops below WP_Potential*10 WP_Award = WP_Potential - Armor_HP/10 WP_Potential = WP_Potential - WP_Award Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout = Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout + WP_Award
Purpose: Limit WP payout from damaging vehicles
2) Dealing with recalls If a user recalls a vehicle, the next vehicle shall have a limit to its WP_Potential: If Vehicle called WP_Potential = WP_Potential - Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout If Vehicle destroyed Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout = 0
Purpose: restrict WP payout in case vehicles are recalled
Alternative WP_Potential for vehicles: WP_Potential = Vehicle_ISK_Cost / 1000
Alternative to dealing with recalls: Only pay out Damage WPs upon the destruction of the vehicle... |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1172
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Posted - 2013.09.02 10:08:00 -
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G Torq wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back. restrict WP payout in case vehicles are recalled...
How about no
Infantry swap all the time at depot do they get WP payout restrictions? no
But because its a vehicle its okay
******* infantry |
Gelan Corbaine
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
176
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:39:00 -
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Bringing this back is the only way I would accept an AV damage nerf . As long as killing is the only way for the AV trooper to be compensated for his work , then he should be able to kill . Despite what tankers think AV is NOT cheap . |
MarasdF Loron
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
108
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:49:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:Bringing this back is the only way I would accept an AV damage nerf . As long as killing is the only way for the AV trooper to be compensated for his work , then he should be able to kill . Despite what tankers think AV is NOT cheap . Running proto AV on my alt I have to say AV is cheap. Other than that I completely agree with your post. But I don't agree with AV buffs in 1.4... |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1179
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:33:00 -
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Just make obs a deployed beacon that has to be defended but once it goes ODF it does huge damage in a wider area. So it can be used for intended purpose of shifting dug in defenders |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
821
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:59:00 -
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G Torq wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back. Imagined Vehicle: 2000 HP Shield 6000 HP Armor 600 WP Potential (Armor_HP / 10) 1) Awarding WP:As vehicle takes shield damage, no WP is awarded. As vehicle takes armor damage, WP can be awarded: If Armor_HP drops below WP_Potential*10 WP_Award = WP_Potential - Armor_HP/10 WP_Potential = WP_Potential - WP_Award Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout = Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout + WP_Award Purpose: Limit WP payout from damaging vehicles 2) Dealing with recallsIf a user recalls a vehicle, the next vehicle shall have a limit to its WP_Potential: If Vehicle called WP_Potential = WP_Potential - Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout If Vehicle destroyed Owner_WP_Vehicle_Payout = 0 Purpose: restrict WP payout in case vehicles are recalled Alternative WP_Potential for vehicles: WP_Potential = Vehicle_ISK_Cost / 1000 Alternative to dealing with recalls: Only pay out Damage WPs upon the destruction of the vehicle...
So what, Caldari vehicles jusst don't give many WP because kitten you? Also, ISK cost will change rapidly from area to area once the market hits, so thjat's a slapjob fix at best. |
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
388
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Posted - 2013.09.02 18:22:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back.
how would you feel about bringing back mcc damage points? |
nakaya indigene
0uter.Heaven
65
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Posted - 2013.09.02 19:10:00 -
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As a tank pilot , DS pilot , and av specialist. The idea of points for damage is great. Slight buff to tanks and DS more on the DS. Slight Nerf lavs. And fix missile trajectories and we are set for vehicles. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
823
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:20:00 -
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low genius wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:They were removed because they were being used for farming. Once some of our new anti-farming stuff comes online and we've had a chance to see how the vehicle gameplay is developing we'll consider bringing them back. how would you feel about bringing back mcc damage points?
As like, a team thing? Everyone on the team gets points when the enemy MCC takes so much damage? That'd give people a reason to defend objectives, cap as many as possible, and to counterhack, all at once :D Great idea High Genius
Seriously, go make a thread about it, link this thread in it too :p Not gonna steal your idea for my own thread. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
434
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:49:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:If they gave it to us again, it would be so amazing. I would cap out my weekly SP in just two hours and would not have to play the game at all. All I would need is to get into a match with a corpie on the other side - with a cheap lav and a repair gun for the LAV. This would be even more awesome than just sitting in a MCC all day! Then we'd be rid of you that much faster :D In all seriousness though, good luck getting that to work at all in a full match without someone on one side or the other either trying to stop you or trying to 'help' you kill the LAV.
I hope you are not serious. If you think ppl would have any difficulty boosting, you are deluded - ppl who are serious about squeezing SP out of the game in the shortest time possible are not noobs, they would have that scheme working like a well oiled clockwork in no time. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
823
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:51:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:If they gave it to us again, it would be so amazing. I would cap out my weekly SP in just two hours and would not have to play the game at all. All I would need is to get into a match with a corpie on the other side - with a cheap lav and a repair gun for the LAV. This would be even more awesome than just sitting in a MCC all day! Then we'd be rid of you that much faster :D In all seriousness though, good luck getting that to work at all in a full match without someone on one side or the other either trying to stop you or trying to 'help' you kill the LAV. I hope you are not serious. If you think ppl would have any difficulty boosting, you are deluded - ppl who are serious about squeezing SP out of the game in the shortest time possible are not noobs, they would have that scheme working like a well oiled clockwork in no time.
And there is an SP cap so that all they are doing is draining their SP pool faster. Good for them. We'll be rid of their useless rears that much sooner. |
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