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InsertCoinHere
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:32:00 -
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I see all the threads on the mass driver being op, but guess what, when the next update comes out and the laser rifle gets the dot/ads fix, you will see tears and threads of the laser being op and fotm. Oh by the way they also fixing the aim assist lol so mark my words, you will be seeing lasers all over the place after the next update.......
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Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
121
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:35:00 -
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Just stay in cover and LASUZRS!1! won't touch you. |
Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
194
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:39:00 -
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Barely anyone has Amarr assault suits so you're still stuck with that huge heat build up.
It won't become FoTM |
Princeps Marcellus
Expert Intervention Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:40:00 -
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Nah. They're only changing the scope. It's still too situational to be a FotM. You have to be very experienced at judging whether or not people are in your optimal range, sticking to cover, not running toward gunfights, charging your rifle without overheating it... and all that, in the end, for a weapon that often has overlapping roles with the sniper rifle, scrambler rifle, and even tactical assault rifle. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3021
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:42:00 -
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Princeps Marcellus wrote:has overlapping roles with the sniper rifle, scrambler rifle, and even tactical assault rifle. True, but you won't have people making whine threads about your LR. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5964
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:55:00 -
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But but, the only weapon in DUST is the AR, isn't it?
Buster wouldn't lie to me....would he? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1301
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:57:00 -
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InsertCoinHere wrote:I see all the threads on the mass driver being op, but guess what, when the next update comes out and the laser rifle gets the dot/ads fix, you will see tears and threads of the laser being op and fotm. Oh by the way they also fixing the aim assist lol so mark my words, you will be seeing lasers all over the place after the next update.......
I agree. They're not going to be any more powerful really, but people will realise how big the increase in power is as you skill them up and create good fittings for them. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
747
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:59:00 -
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Just curious if anyone who doesn't use the LR even knows how the damn thing works, or do they just scream OP? I love how people run AWAY from me, getting further into my optimal and dying faster. I cannot describe how stupid the look, I lack the comparison. |
Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
190
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:01:00 -
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Standard with 3 complex damage mods are pretty strong kill wise. If the ELM got a buff in damage I would definitely skill up in it. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1384
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:06:00 -
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I've been thinking this for a long time. In Uprising I've used the standard laser rifle on a non-Amarr assault suit many times and always thought it was extremely efficient at doing it's job even with the crazy heat build up, ADS speed, and iron sights. Then I unlocked the Amarr assault suit, advanced laser rifle, and damage mods and realized it becomes crazy good. And despite all this someone CCP is convinced to buff it?
I only hope when they decide to tone it down they don't go overkill and make it worse than it is now. |
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FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
485
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:09:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote: Barely anyone has Amarr assault suits so you're still stuck with that huge heat build up.
It won't become FoTM
Basically this.
For the gun to be useful at all you need Amarr Assault skill at max. Even with that overheat gets no lower than 20 ammo left, which is worse than past build lasers. It needs too much SP investment to be FOTM.
-XOXO
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
523
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:12:00 -
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Laser was OP once upon a time, not because of the scope, but because the proto version got a 33% damage increase over the Advanced version.
It was, shall we say, a "disproportionate" increase in damage compared to other weapons.
So naturally, to bring it back into balance they changed the entire line of Laser Rifles' damage, added a blinding glare, gunked up the ADS, increased the overheat rate, and changed its range.
I'm glad it's getting useful ADS back, though.
I did really enjoy the basic LR during Chromosome. I may have to give it a shot again. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1386
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:14:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Greasepalms wrote: Barely anyone has Amarr assault suits so you're still stuck with that huge heat build up.
It won't become FoTM
Basically this. For the gun to be useful at all you need Amarr Assault skill at max. Even with that overheat gets no lower than 20 ammo left, which is worse than past build lasers. It needs too much SP investment to be FOTM. -XOXO Not even close to being true.
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Princeps Marcellus
Expert Intervention Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:19:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Greasepalms wrote: Barely anyone has Amarr assault suits so you're still stuck with that huge heat build up.
It won't become FoTM
Basically this. For the gun to be useful at all you need Amarr Assault skill at max. Even with that overheat gets no lower than 20 ammo left, which is worse than past build lasers. It needs too much SP investment to be FOTM. -XOXO Not even close to being true.
I agree. If you're willing to learn to be careful with the heat levels, the LR can be useful on any suit, especially scout suits. Being able to control the range of engagement is absolutely invaluable to the lifespan of any LR user.
edit: Amarr assault suits are very... helpful, but not exactly ideal. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
485
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:20:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Greasepalms wrote: Barely anyone has Amarr assault suits so you're still stuck with that huge heat build up.
It won't become FoTM
Basically this. For the gun to be useful at all you need Amarr Assault skill at max. Even with that overheat gets no lower than 20 ammo left, which is worse than past build lasers. It needs too much SP investment to be FOTM. -XOXO Not even close to being true.
When you compared it to pre-Uprising lasers the current Laser Rifle is useless and underpowered. 40 ammo left is way too much of a nerf, both in damage and range. Remember that the longer you fire it the more damage it does. Stopping at 20 ammo left was perfect and not overpowered.
-XOXO |
xSaloLx
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
142
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:20:00 -
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I hope. I've had this itch on my back that I just can't reach. Might one of you help a brother out? |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
720
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:32:00 -
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InsertCoinHere wrote:I see all the threads on the mass driver being op, but guess what, when the next update comes out and the laser rifle gets the dot/ads fix, you will see tears and threads of the laser being op and fotm. Oh by the way they also fixing the aim assist lol so mark my words, you will be seeing lasers all over the place after the next update.......
Doubt it, LR's are only good if your considerbably specced into them, and while they might become more popular then they were before, they are FAR too situational to be considered the next "FOTM" and by specced into them, I mean you have to be specced into Amar Assault suits to at least level three, and you need to have at least the viziam unlocked. Otherwise there just not that good........ |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:29:00 -
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Gahhh!! I <3 tehm lazerz.
I just spec'd to level 3 LR to use on my commando after trying out the standard. It's great combined with a MD, but I don't have advanced level in them yet. And I might end up trying it out with shotguns to get long range/short range capabilities.
Now if only commandos had at least one high and one low slot at standard... |
Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
307
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:40:00 -
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InsertCoinHere wrote:I see all the threads on the mass driver being op, but guess what, when the next update comes out and the laser rifle gets the dot/ads fix, you will see tears and threads of the laser being op and fotm. Oh by the way they also fixing the aim assist lol so mark my words, you will be seeing lasers all over the place after the next update.......
Bro, they've been op for months. Maybe if you didn't ride the FOTM bandwagon and tried different weapons and play styles you would know that.
The scope changes mean nothing. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3596
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:46:00 -
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Armor buff = an increase in MD's
MD's will remain FoTM |
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Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
907
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:48:00 -
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New Aim Assist.
I'm just picturing people holding down the fire button and taking their thumbs off the control sticks and having that beam of death just continue to track the enemy through a 30 degree arc. lmao |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
972
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:50:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Armor buff = an increase in MD's
MD's will remain FoTM This.
However you can easily use the LR without an Amarr suit. With no skills into LRs the standard LR overheats after firing 60 shots, which is more than enough to deal plenty of damage. |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:50:00 -
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Viktor Zokas wrote:
The scope changes mean nothing.
Well, the iron sights for the LR are kind of bunk. Not unusable, but the new scope should make it a better weapon, especially if it has some zoom. |
Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
307
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:52:00 -
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Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Viktor Zokas wrote:
The scope changes mean nothing.
Well, the iron sights for the LR are kind of bunk. Not unusable, but the new scope should make it a better weapon, especially if it has some zoom.
Yes, but if you train yourself to adjust for the iron sight, it works awesome. It's hilarious though that CCP added a iron sights to a mid-range weapon. On top of that, the iron sight is off by a couple of inches at range. It's off even more if you move.
It won't ever become a FOTM. All the AR and MD Children love being in close range combat, being able to bunny hop and get easy kills. The LR is worthless close range. Thus they would never have the attention span to use it long term. |
Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:07:00 -
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RDS won't fix the meh damage they do after being nerfed. |
Slaytanical
Chaotik Serenity
12
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:08:00 -
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MD'S will stay FOTM agreed not the laser rifle........
I have stayed true to laser rifle / smg combo since day one / weekend one beta.
even through the horrible iron sights..... so it's great news for me i don't do FOTM Never have never will. laser rifle enthusiasts "did i spell that right" ? have got stewed for a long time now with the bogus ironsights.
so me for one am stoked for the 1.4 lazur rifle changes... the rest of the poop other than matchmaker.
honestly i could care less. o7 |
DeadlyAztec11
Red Star Jr. EoN.
2083
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:10:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Standard with 3 complex damage mods are pretty strong kill wise. If the ELM got a buff in damage I would definitely skill up in it. You will die like a militia scout |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
240
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:11:00 -
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That's right!!!! You shall all fear my holy light bringer from the heavens!!!!!!! |
Powerh8er
DIOS EX. Top Men.
54
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:11:00 -
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Im pretty sure the assault rifle is the flavour of the month, every month. |
White-Lion
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
2
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:30:00 -
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xSaloLx wrote:I hope. I've had this itch on my back that I just can't reach. Might one of you help a brother out? Here let me get it off your dead body now that I've accurately melted through your empty skull with my scoped lazer rifle! |
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trollface dot jpg
The Bacon Corporation
103
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:58:00 -
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I'd honestly rather deal with the Viziams of old than the mass drivers of today. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1470
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:03:00 -
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InsertCoinHere wrote:I see all the threads on the mass driver being op, but guess what, when the next update comes out and the laser rifle gets the dot/ads fix, you will see tears and threads of the laser being op and fotm. Oh by the way they also fixing the aim assist lol so mark my words, you will be seeing lasers all over the place after the next update.......
I don't know why though. Lasers are great guns for sure, well balanced at the moment, I never thought they needed and Red Dot ADS boost. But the community wanted it I guess.
I still don't think we will see all that many of them particularly when Duvolles can catch you and end you before heat build up gets going, or Tac AR/ Scramblers cut your to pieces with accurate volleys. Not to mention most players trying to get right in the centre of things and rush people with the LR.
TBH all the LR does better than most guns is have a more interesting design and firing method.
Even more so than that it doesn't matter how many of you heretics pick up out Divine Instruments of Cleansing, you will never know the power of the Faithful. God protects and blesses his own, Since Uprising released only one other LR user has killed me and he was an Amarrian to the core.
I will expect to be eating all of the new FoTM LR players alive. LR vets will kill you all. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
367
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:04:00 -
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trollface dot jpg wrote:I'd honestly rather deal with the Viziams of old than the mass drivers of today.
I don't think you were here in beta. The MDs of old were BETTER than the MDs of today, and the Viz Laser was way more OP then. One or two swipes from the finger of god, and you were down. |
The Robot Devil
Echo Galactic Industries
882
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:05:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote: Barely anyone has Amarr assault suits so you're still stuck with that huge heat build up.
It won't become FoTM
I have mine and it is great, most mercs underestimate the power and it how fast it creeps up. It is fun to watch them melt. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1470
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:07:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:trollface dot jpg wrote:I'd honestly rather deal with the Viziams of old than the mass drivers of today. I don't think you were here in beta. The MDs of old were BETTER than the MDs of today, and the Viz Laser was way more OP then. One or two swipes from the finger of god, and you were down.
MD is totally balanced.
And this is coming from the Slowest Armour tanking suit in the game......
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The Robot Devil
Echo Galactic Industries
882
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:InsertCoinHere wrote:I see all the threads on the mass driver being op, but guess what, when the next update comes out and the laser rifle gets the dot/ads fix, you will see tears and threads of the laser being op and fotm. Oh by the way they also fixing the aim assist lol so mark my words, you will be seeing lasers all over the place after the next update.......
I don't know why though. Lasers are great guns for sure, well balanced at the moment, I never thought they needed and Red Dot ADS boost. But the community wanted it I guess. I still don't think we will see all that many of them particularly when Duvolles can catch you and end you before heat build up gets going, or Tac AR/ Scramblers cut your to pieces with accurate volleys. Not to mention most players trying to get right in the centre of things and rush people with the LR. TBH all the LR does better than most guns is have a more interesting design and firing method. Even more so than that it doesn't matter how many of you heretics pick up out Divine Instruments of Cleansing, you will never know the power of the Faithful. God protects and blesses his own, Since Uprising released only one other LR user has killed me and he was an Amarrian to the core. I will expect to be eating all of the new FoTM LR players alive. LR vets will kill you all.
My problem withe the iron sights was that it is a medium long range weapon but you can't see anything at medium range. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1173
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:12:00 -
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I don't doubt that lasers will be used more often since the aiming will be more practical and easy to use, I know I am going to bring out my ELM to try it out after 1.4. But I don't think it will be FOTM.
FOTM requires a weapon to be extremely effective (OP) in nearly every situation, the laser is simply too circumstantial to be used in such a way, and it's still going to have the same killing power it does now... it's not like it's getting any more powerful (unless they stealth buff it, which is certainly possible). |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:12:00 -
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trollface dot jpg wrote:I'd honestly rather deal with the Viziams of old than the mass drivers of today. Yeah right. With the viziam and tripple damage mods you could allmost insta kill heavys. And where they stand was only a puddle of melted metal. No doubt the viziam from the old days was crazy if you keep in mind that you could kill 6 people+ with 1 ongoing beam from it. But nowdays the lasers just suck. Its hard to tell but the clunky iron sights are not really helpfull hitting somebody. And the only advantage you get to get the proto is that you can shot a little bit longer. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1470
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:43:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:trollface dot jpg wrote:I'd honestly rather deal with the Viziams of old than the mass drivers of today. Yeah right. With the viziam and tripple damage mods you could allmost insta kill heavys. And where they stand was only a puddle of melted metal. No doubt the viziam from the old days was crazy if you keep in mind that you could kill 6 people+ with 1 ongoing beam from it. But nowdays the lasers just suck. Its hard to tell but the clunky iron sights are not really helpfull hitting somebody. And the only advantage you get to get the proto is that you can shot a little bit longer. At least now it takes a couple of seconds and most (70+%) of a clip and even then you may or may not even get that sucker. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1260
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Posted - 2013.09.01 03:21:00 -
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Well I suppose I'll just have to flank them, I guess. It won't be FOTM as long as we have the ar |
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Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
618
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Posted - 2013.09.01 03:24:00 -
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Been there, nerfed that.
SMGs, be warned. You're currently too effective. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
740
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Posted - 2013.09.01 03:26:00 -
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You mean, they will make a return to FOTM.
I started around Feb-March. I have fine memories of playing on Manus Peak and just seeing nothing but "spotlights" looking to burn my dropsuit and others into crispy bacon. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
779
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Posted - 2013.09.01 03:57:00 -
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LR will never be FotM, they do not have much power at mid range and have none at short range. if anything, ARs will go back to being king if the MD is re-tuned. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
368
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Posted - 2013.09.01 04:56:00 -
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And by retuned you mean nerfed back to pre 1.2 levels where the Boundless Assault was barely the only viable MD weapon in competitive play. |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:11:00 -
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I think ccp is pretty damn smart actually, see they keep buffing an nerfing which is knocking people off track with how they spend sp, so really this game is full of so many people that have unfinished products, except for most scouts, we have gotten so used to dodging an being sneaky an avoiding danger an getting used to dying mor than others so that when we actually get our buff, to our suits an weapons an these tac net changes come were gonna have our scout weapons an profile dampening an suits maxed out while YOU GUYS jumped to every FOTM suit an gun there was an never actually finished specing into anything!
It will be glorious when it all goes down considering how deep the scout sp sink actually is, use that never deviated will be impossible to catch up to. Can't wait |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:14:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Been there, nerfed that.
SMGs, be warned. You're currently too effective. You be warned leave them alone, MUAHHHHB HAAAA |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
550
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:21:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:I think ccp is pretty damn smart actually, see they keep buffing an nerfing which is knocking people off track with how they spend sp, so really this game is full of so many people that have unfinished products, except for most scouts, we have gotten so used to dodging an being sneaky an avoiding danger an getting used to dying mor than others so that when we actually get our buff, to our suits an weapons an these tac net changes come were gonna have our scout weapons an profile dampening an suits maxed out while YOU GUYS jumped to every FOTM suit an gun there was an never actually finished specing into anything!
It will be glorious when it all goes down considering how deep the scout sp sink actually is, use that never deviated will be impossible to catch up to. Can't wait Im only spec in one suit and two guns im proto in one so im working on the other i never chase fotm because sooner or later what i use will be fotm.
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RA Drahcir
Psygod9
145
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:31:00 -
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Open map? Laser. Close map? HMG. |
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