Then don't sprint around so you appear on peoples radar's

Didn't one of the devs say that sprinting doesn't actually have any effect on that..?

^ What Knight said.

If Scout performance in 1.4 continues to flatline or slump, then I could get behind lobbying for assistance via Hotfix. We'll have to wait-and-see though. Squad-Sight changes very well may help us out. We simply have no means of knowing, and there's little point to fretting about the unknown. We're only a few days out from 1.4.

I agree with OP's position and concerns. Mediums with more eHP and improved agility. Super Heavies. Aim-Assist reducing Scouts to goo with the slightest of effort. These all sound like more bad news for an already struggling class. But at least we'll have fewer LAVs to contend with!

Come what may, we'll know if we've been boned or blessed on Day 1.
We'll have proof-in-hand by means of Community Statistics on Day 4 or 5.
We'll organize a lobbying effort -- if needed -- at the close of Week 1.

Emphasis on "if needed" above ...
I suspect if we do it right -- sticking to facts over tears -- we could rally support in a formal Petition for Hotfix.

- Shotty

If anything, the new squad vision will be a buff for scouts that like the sneaky-sneaky playstyle.

...are you bloody ********? Do you have ANY IDEA how a Laser Rifle WORKS? The closer you are, the less damage I do with it, so Scouts are LITERALLY the best class to take out a LR user aside from some fat lump of armor with a Sniper. PLEASE stop crying foul over the LR when you just don't understand how they work.

The Problem CCP really needs to adress is:

The fact other suits do the Scout's job a lot better.

Say:Minmatar Logi
Minmatar Assault
Cal Logi
Cal Assault


These suits have ENOUGH slots and PG / CPU to equip Profile Dampeners/Kinetic Kats/Cardiac regulators to achieve Scout like speed and endurance,profile dampening and enough High powered slots to shield tank effectively.

I play Scout or Heavy depending on the situation. But its incredible how hard it is to fight a ''Pseudo scout''.
Yesterday i fought against a guy names Sei (something) . He was one of these Pseudo scouts.He ran almost as fast as my minmatar scout and i just couldnt run away from him.He was packing a CRG-3 Shotgun on a Proto Caldari logi suit.

He was almost as fast as me, with 300+ EHP,Bonus acquired Armor repairer ...Leaving me thinking, If he had a Profile Dampener he was just a scout but better,Scout 2.0.There is NOTHING i could do he couldn't do better. Not to mention he had 3 equipment slots.

CCP needs to give Scout an ADVANTAGE, a true one.Something that Makes us excel at something, other suits can only barely imitate.

Didn't one of the devs say that sprinting doesn't actually have any effect on that..?

^ What Knight said.

If Scout performance in 1.4 continues to flatline or slump, then I could get behind lobbying for assistance via Hotfix. We'll have to wait-and-see though. Squad-Sight changes very well may help us out. We simply have no means of knowing, and there's little point to fretting about the unknown. We're only a few days out from 1.4.

I agree with OP's position and concerns. Mediums with more eHP and improved agility. Super Heavies. Aim-Assist reducing Scouts to goo with the slightest of effort. These all sound like more bad news for an already struggling class. But at least we'll have fewer LAVs to contend with!

Come what may, we'll know if we've been boned or blessed on Day 1.
We'll have proof-in-hand by means of Community Statistics on Day 4 or 5.
We'll organize a lobbying effort -- if needed -- at the close of Week 1.

Emphasis on "if needed" above ...
I suspect if we do it right -- sticking to facts over tears -- we could rally support in a formal Petition for Hotfix.

- Shotty

We can also use some more EWAR stuff, and cloaking.

No cloaking plz,

The second item is a Cloaking Field. This sneaky bit of kit will not only make you (almost) invisible to other combatants, it will also blind turret AI targeting systems. It isnGÇÖt perfect invisibility, scanners will still pick you up if you havenGÇÖt masked your signal well enough, motion will disrupt the field to some extent and weapon fire will cause the field to shut down. This means it will take some skill to use to its maximum potential. This item is going to be a real game changer, particularly for Scout dropsuits which have been screaming out for stealth gear.

Have you read up the dev blog?

Source:
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/



If you look closely, there will be drawbacks with the cloak. Unlike the cloak glitch that you see right now, the cloak they are making will likely operate like the cloak in Eve Online where you have to disable your cloak to use any weapon at all.

The second item is a Cloaking Field. This sneaky bit of kit will not only make you (almost) invisible to other combatants, it will also blind turret AI targeting systems. It isnGÇÖt perfect invisibility, scanners will still pick you up if you havenGÇÖt masked your signal well enough, motion will disrupt the field to some extent and weapon fire will cause the field to shut down. This means it will take some skill to use to its maximum potential. This item is going to be a real game changer, particularly for Scout dropsuits which have been screaming out for stealth gear.

More slots would be fantastic! Cloaking is cool but not for everyone, cloaked heavy, run past , uncloaks kills u , cloaks again, I do that in crysis hardly ever get killed

That's from March. I hope they never add cloak. Give the scout some more slots, this is what they need.

PARTICULARLY for Scouts. Not, exclusively. This means there's still not going to be anything involved that a well fitted logi can't do better.

Ahem... heavies can't carry equipment as far as I know. The cloak is an equipment item.

Not unless the CCP adds covert-ops scout suits with inherent bonuses towards cloaks.

PARTICULARLY for Scouts. Not, exclusively. This means there's still not going to be anything involved that a well fitted logi can't do better.

Didn't one of the devs say that sprinting doesn't actually have any effect on that..?

What my ideal scout fixes would be (all or a combination of them):

- Buff the base speed (walk & sprint) a serious amount.
- Hit box fixes (I'm skinny ffs)
- 2 Equipment Slots
- Bit more PG & CPU
- Bonus to Hacking
- Stamina tweak - More base or less usage for running/jumping
- Bonus to side arms (reload/pg/cpu etc.)

You'll still be able to pick up cloaked people who have high scan profiles, especially since scouts have high scanning precision. And because scouts have very low scan profiles, only other scouts with scanning skills will be able to pick them up when they're cloaked.

I agree with everything bar the equipment slots and hacking. 2 equipment slots should be for some light suit specialism and hacking should be a scout racial bonus for one of the races. I'm also not entirely for all those bonuses for sidearms - reload speed would suit though but as each suit only gets 2 bonuses (one role and one racial), this too would have to be a racial skill for one of the races, perhaps amarr?

...are you bloody insane? Do you have ANY IDEA how a Laser Rifle WORKS? The closer you are, the less damage I do with it, so Scouts are LITERALLY the best class to take out a LR user aside from some fat lump of armor with a Sniper. PLEASE stop crying foul over the LR when you just don't understand how they work.