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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:58:00 -
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like many others, i do wish for a respec. now stop, i already know one probably wont come, so you dont have to keep yelling NO MORE RESPECS. i get it, but why all the hate on them. if you skill into something, then they nerf it to oblivion, then you should get your skill points back for that category. that's like buying a 1080p HD TV then after you install it, someone comes in, and replaces it with a 720p HD TV. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR, BUT YOU GET NO REFUND. you see what i'm saying? now this isn't to start up another QQ thread, just a thread to get some insight on why you don't want another respec. is it because people will spec into FoTM? that's going to happen regardless. what about the many of us who have no intention of doing such things?
i personally want a respec so i can base my rentire fit around nova knives, which will take at the very least another 2-3 months for me now. Nova Knives are not OP, i can promise you that. also, no i didn't go callogi or any crap like that. i put my skills all over the place, and went proto in scrambler rifles the core flaylock, but i stopped using the flaylock once i saw how OP it was. now i have like 3 million sp into stuff i never use.
i'm just saying try to look it from a different perspective, before hating on those who aren't happy where they are now. yes you will have FoTM, but in the end this game is about having fun, and the minute that stops, people are going to walk away, and they have nothing to stop them, since it's FREE.
as i said i already know no more respecs(as of yet) but when you see another respec thread, just please don't be so harsh to everyone who wants a respec, because at the very least, it could spice up the game and bring more people back in. kind of like a second( or third lol) chance to start over. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1905
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:04:00 -
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Because we should have to live with the consequences of CCP actions.. Duh!!
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
33
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:06:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Because we should have to live with the consequences of CCP actions.. Duh!! haha lol, made my day. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3362
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:07:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:like many others, i do wish for a respec. now stop, i already know one probably wont come, so you dont have to keep yelling NO MORE RESPECS. i get it, but why all the hate on them. if you skill into something, then they nerf it to oblivion, then you should get your skill points back for that category. that's like buying a 1080p HD TV then after you install it, someone comes in, and replaces it with a 720p HD TV. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR, BUT YOU GET NO REFUND. you see what i'm saying? now this isn't to start up another QQ thread, just a thread to get some insight on why you don't want another respec. is it because people will spec into FoTM? that's going to happen regardless. what about the many of us who have no intention of doing such things?
i personally want a respec so i can base my rentire fit around nova knives, which will take at the very least another 2-3 months for me now. Nova Knives are not OP, i can promise you that. also, no i didn't go callogi or any crap like that. i put my skills all over the place, and went proto in scrambler rifles the core flaylock, but i stopped using the flaylock once i saw how OP it was. now i have like 3 million sp into stuff i never use.
i'm just saying try to look it from a different perspective, before hating on those who aren't happy where they are now. yes you will have FoTM, but in the end this game is about having fun, and the minute that stops, people are going to walk away, and they have nothing to stop them, since it's FREE.
as i said i already know no more respecs(as of yet) but when you see another respec thread, just please don't be so harsh to everyone who wants a respec, because at the very least, it could spice up the game and bring more people back in. kind of like a second( or third lol) chance to start over. The only reasoning any ever uses is this assumption that any and all adjustments to the game will always completely ruin at least one playstyle and render everyone who used it useless.
Call me too much of an optimist, but that seems overly pessimistic to me. I think the changes we've seen recently in how they're going about their business indicate an improvement in their designs and balancing, especially with how they're improving vehicle mechanics. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
253
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:14:00 -
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Because when people do things like spec into LAV to drive around the battlefield and run people over or a logistics suit to use as an assault suit they deserve to live with that decision when the nerf hammer crashes down on them. Pick your skills based off of more than what is powerful at the moment or FotM and you won't have to worry so much about respecs or nerfs.
If you want a respec for the purposes of playing something different then spend the time and SP to skill into something else. A standard lvl suit of any type is about 1 to 2 weeks worth of SP only. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1416
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:19:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:like many others, i do wish for a respec. now stop, i already know one probably wont come, so you dont have to keep yelling NO MORE RESPECS. i get it, but why all the hate on them. if you skill into something, then they nerf it to oblivion, then you should get your skill points back for that category. that's like buying a 1080p HD TV then after you install it, someone comes in, and replaces it with a 720p HD TV. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR, BUT YOU GET NO REFUND. you see what i'm saying? now this isn't to start up another QQ thread, just a thread to get some insight on why you don't want another respec. is it because people will spec into FoTM? that's going to happen regardless. what about the many of us who have no intention of doing such things?
i personally want a respec so i can base my rentire fit around nova knives, which will take at the very least another 2-3 months for me now. Nova Knives are not OP, i can promise you that. also, no i didn't go callogi or any crap like that. i put my skills all over the place, and went proto in scrambler rifles the core flaylock, but i stopped using the flaylock once i saw how OP it was. now i have like 3 million sp into stuff i never use.
i'm just saying try to look it from a different perspective, before hating on those who aren't happy where they are now. yes you will have FoTM, but in the end this game is about having fun, and the minute that stops, people are going to walk away, and they have nothing to stop them, since it's FREE.
as i said i already know no more respecs(as of yet) but when you see another respec thread, just please don't be so harsh to everyone who wants a respec, because at the very least, it could spice up the game and bring more people back in. kind of like a second( or third lol) chance to start over. The only reasoning any ever uses is this assumption that any and all adjustments to the game will always completely ruin at least one playstyle and render everyone who used it useless. Call me too much of an optimist, but that seems overly pessimistic to me. I think the changes we've seen recently in how they're going about their business indicate an improvement in their designs and balancing, especially with how they're improving vehicle mechanics. Fact of the matter is I don't care about FOTM what I want is the chance to reallocate my SP because CCP have forced me into a play style. I want to be amarrian HAV but I cant so I am forced to pick something else amarrian..... now when the HAV do come out, god only know how long it will take, I am 4 mill SP specced into Dropsuits I never wanted to use in the first place. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
509
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:27:00 -
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Because people want an easy way to skill into the next flavor of the month.
Vehicle operators would like a respec because everything is being redone. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1907
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:35:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote: If you want a respec for the purposes of playing something different then spend the time and SP to skill into something else. A standard lvl suit of any type is about 1 to 2 weeks worth of SP only.
But standard suits are garbage... I hope they tiericide dropsuits at some point. I might come back and actually play this game again if they did. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1043
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:37:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Because people want an easy way to skill into the next flavor of the month.
Vehicle operators would like a respec because everything is being redone.
Flavor of the month and FOTM should be added to the censor filter.
I'll buy an elite Merc pack as soon as this is implemented |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3810
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:37:00 -
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It's just part of the culture here in New Eden. There is a long history behind that spans 10 years. Apparently a lot more people hate respecs than originally thought. There is a small minority of players within the Eve Online community that still want a respec system for Eve, but CCP and the rest of the community largely ignores them. And considering that the Council of Stellar Management now has stakeholder power in CCP and is entirely player-elected, all of the elected council members were voted in by players who are mostly against respecs within their game.
Of course, Dust 514 already has it own Council of Planetary Management to act as its voice, but it is largely picked by CCP as a preliminary council whose task is to help CCP figure out how to setup a proper voting system so that in the future YOU can vote for whoever you like to represent you and your pro-respec interests. But be aware that the anti-respec crowd will be doing the same. |
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Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
300
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:39:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Zahle Undt wrote: If you want a respec for the purposes of playing something different then spend the time and SP to skill into something else. A standard lvl suit of any type is about 1 to 2 weeks worth of SP only.
But standard suits are garbage... I hope they tiericide dropsuits at some point. I might come back and actually play this game again if they did.
Funny, my standard suits seem to be working fine. You must be defective. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
509
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:49:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Because people want an easy way to skill into the next flavor of the month.
Vehicle operators would like a respec because everything is being redone. Flavor of the month and FOTM should be added to the censor filter. I'll buy an elite Merc pack as soon as this is implemented Let me guess, you're guilty of it? |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
244
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:54:00 -
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Ive always been against respecs but since its obvious were arent truly out of beta yet and CCP make blunders more often than progress, I think its only fair we get a general respec handed out to us.
I wanna jump on that MD band wagon before its too close to a balance and murder people without skill, hell apparently its not even considered OP |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1045
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Posted - 2013.08.29 00:01:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Because people want an easy way to skill into the next flavor of the month.
Vehicle operators would like a respec because everything is being redone. Flavor of the month and FOTM should be added to the censor filter. I'll buy an elite Merc pack as soon as this is implemented Let me guess, you're guilty of it?
I've never chosen anything in this game to follow the crowd. I just went proficiency 3 in shotguns because I'm bored and it looks fun.
I used the MD exclusively for 9 months.
I have a proto Calogi, but went Min Ass for speed.
I think respecs would be good and it would be cool to change 800,000 or so SP but I'm not unhappy with my skill allocation. |
Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
174
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Posted - 2013.08.29 00:41:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Zahle Undt wrote: If you want a respec for the purposes of playing something different then spend the time and SP to skill into something else. A standard lvl suit of any type is about 1 to 2 weeks worth of SP only.
But standard suits are garbage... I hope they tiericide dropsuits at some point. I might come back and actually play this game again if they did. Um... they are worth like 5-8 days |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
35
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Posted - 2013.08.29 00:49:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Because when people do things like spec into LAV to drive around the battlefield and run people over or a logistics suit to use as an assault suit they deserve to live with that decision when the nerf hammer crashes down on them. Pick your skills based off of more than what is powerful at the moment or FotM and you won't have to worry so much about respecs or nerfs.
If you want a respec for the purposes of playing something different then spend the time and SP to skill into something else. A standard lvl suit of any type is about 1 to 2 weeks worth of SP only. i already have that, and i can use every weapon in the game right now, but i want the respec to base my ENTIRE main fit around nova knives, which will definitely take more than 1 or 2 weeks |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
35
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Posted - 2013.08.29 00:52:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It's just part of the culture here in New Eden. There is a long history behind that spans 10 years. Apparently a lot more people hate respecs than originally thought. There is a small minority of players within the Eve Online community that still want a respec system for Eve, but CCP and the rest of the community largely ignores them. And considering that the Council of Stellar Management now has stakeholder power in CCP and is entirely player-elected, all of the elected council members were voted in by players who are mostly against respecs within their game.
Of course, Dust 514 already has it own Council of Planetary Management to act as its voice, but it is largely picked by CCP as a preliminary council whose task is to help CCP figure out how to setup a proper voting system so that in the future YOU can vote for whoever you like to represent you and your pro-respec interests. But be aware that the anti-respec crowd will be doing the same. you're right, and what it seems like, i their is alot of people who have built up anger against people who went FoTM |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
219
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Posted - 2013.08.29 00:53:00 -
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we hate respecs because we r sick of proto bears specing into op crap then it gets nerfed and then they beg for another stupid respec so they can spec into the next op prototype item on the list... |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1360
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Posted - 2013.08.29 00:54:00 -
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I'll be honest, the only reason I personally want a respec is because I'm currently spec'd into Amarr infantry while I would prefer to be spec'd into Amarr vehicles, but I'm not going to sit on my SP and use militia fits for who knows how long just because of that. Though I do believe this is a valid argument for everyone. I understand the FOTM argument, but if we simply wait and do one single respec once the remaining dropsuits and vehicles are out I don't see how you can argue against it. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
35
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Posted - 2013.08.29 00:56:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:we hate respecs because we r sick of proto bears specing into op crap then it gets nerfed and then they beg for another stupid respec so they can spec into the next op prototype item on the list... i agree with this, because believe me, i've had my fair share of being protostomped...if only there was some way around this... |
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
35
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Posted - 2013.08.29 00:57:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I'll be honest, the only reason I personally want a respec is because I'm currently spec'd into Amarr infantry while I would prefer to be spec'd into Amarr vehicles, but I'm not going to sit on my SP and use militia fits for who knows how long just because of that. Though I do believe this is a valid argument for everyone. I understand the FOTM argument, but if we simply wait and do one single respec once the remaining dropsuits and vehicles are out I don't see how you can argue against it. excellent idea, the only problem is getting others to think the same way. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
219
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Posted - 2013.08.29 01:01:00 -
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although i do see a potential for respecs..
maybe if u have to lose some portion of your total sp in the process..
although it would have to be an astronomical amount of sp for the respec...
just to prevent the player or at the very least delay the player from specing into more op proto stuff... |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1911
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Posted - 2013.08.29 01:04:00 -
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There have been a lot of good ideas on implementing a limited SP refund system. CCP has acknowledged the feedback and said they are discussing whether they will implement a system like it.
look up the 'skillback booster' post. There are ways that we can implement respecs so that they add to everyone's gameplay enjoyment. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3813
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Posted - 2013.08.29 01:05:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:It's just part of the culture here in New Eden. There is a long history behind that spans 10 years. Apparently a lot more people hate respecs than originally thought. There is a small minority of players within the Eve Online community that still want a respec system for Eve, but CCP and the rest of the community largely ignores them. And considering that the Council of Stellar Management now has stakeholder power in CCP and is entirely player-elected, all of the elected council members were voted in by players who are mostly against respecs within their game.
Of course, Dust 514 already has it own Council of Planetary Management to act as its voice, but it is largely picked by CCP as a preliminary council whose task is to help CCP figure out how to setup a proper voting system so that in the future YOU can vote for whoever you like to represent you and your pro-respec interests. But be aware that the anti-respec crowd will be doing the same. you're right, and what it seems like, i their is alot of people who have built up anger against people who went FoTM
Well, if you think about it, it was largely their fault (the players who went FoTM). They just went with what is commonly seen as overpowered when they should have used common sense and pick a profession that best suits them in the long run.
For example, take a look at the tank and dropship drivers. They are currently getting **** on by all the AV folks here. But come 1.5 those guys who stuck around and braved the insults will get the last laugh. Watch. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
35
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Posted - 2013.08.29 01:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:It's just part of the culture here in New Eden. There is a long history behind that spans 10 years. Apparently a lot more people hate respecs than originally thought. There is a small minority of players within the Eve Online community that still want a respec system for Eve, but CCP and the rest of the community largely ignores them. And considering that the Council of Stellar Management now has stakeholder power in CCP and is entirely player-elected, all of the elected council members were voted in by players who are mostly against respecs within their game.
Of course, Dust 514 already has it own Council of Planetary Management to act as its voice, but it is largely picked by CCP as a preliminary council whose task is to help CCP figure out how to setup a proper voting system so that in the future YOU can vote for whoever you like to represent you and your pro-respec interests. But be aware that the anti-respec crowd will be doing the same. you're right, and what it seems like, i their is alot of people who have built up anger against people who went FoTM Well, if you think about it, it was largely their fault (the players who went FoTM). They just went with what is commonly seen as overpowered when they should have used common sense and pick a profession that best suits them in the long run. For example, take a look at the tank and dropship drivers. They are currently getting **** on by all the AV folks here. But come 1.5 those guys who stuck around and braved the insults will get the last laugh. Watch. yup, and i can't wait to start flying my incubus again! |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
36
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Posted - 2013.08.29 01:10:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:There have been a lot of good ideas on implementing a limited SP refund system. CCP has acknowledged the feedback and said they are discussing whether they will implement a system like it.
look up the 'skillback booster' post. There are ways that we can implement respecs so that they add to everyone's gameplay enjoyment. cool, but wait, if you activate a refund booster, you will still get passive sp gain right? because if not, i might be wrong, but there isn't a point in getting a refund booster. unless the sp refunddaily is drastically higher than the passive sp gain is. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3815
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Posted - 2013.08.29 01:15:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:There have been a lot of good ideas on implementing a limited SP refund system. CCP has acknowledged the feedback and said they are discussing whether they will implement a system like it.
look up the 'skillback booster' post. There are ways that we can implement respecs so that they add to everyone's gameplay enjoyment. cool, but wait, if you activate a refund booster, you will still get passive sp gain right? because if not, i might be wrong, but there isn't a point in getting a refund booster. unless the sp refunddaily is drastically higher than the passive sp gain is.
According to the thread that brought it up, the passive SP gain would be deactivated and it takes up a passive booster slot.
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