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halii oloektan Reap Mercenary Corp 6	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:30:00 - [1] - Quote Tank snipers need a way to be destroyed. Something like if they stay behind the redline for too long they get blown up. There is no real way to kill these fucks, as soon as you do a fraction of damage they run back too where you cant get them with out being killed by redline. Not good enough to snipe and do not know what a tank is for.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 700	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:39:00 - [2] - Quote ... really. suicide AV mob does rail tanks. adapt. Remember these are tanks with a ranged weapon, using the space they are given on the map. Perfectly fine.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 219	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:40:00 - [3] - Quote i found that a decent squad alll piled up into a dropship with av can kill some of this chicken **** tankes pretty fast but ud basicly be suiciding the damn thing... i support that there needs to be an end to redline snipers in general its getting really really annoying..
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 273	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:53:00 - [4] - Quote By making him stay in cover, havent you effectively destroyed any chance he has at being worthwhile during the match? Didn't you more or less remove him from the game? Or are you THAT SET on getting the points instead of helping your team?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 498	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:55:00 - [5] - Quote Sniping tanks are a consequence, like murder taxi, when tankers (or ex tankers) do it, they are the consequence of a overwhelming AV.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1474	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:55:00 - [6] - Quote halii oloektan wrote: Tank snipers need a way to be destroyed. Something like if they stay behind the redline for too long they get blown up. There is no real way to kill these fucks, as soon as you do a fraction of damage they run back too where you cant get them with out being killed by redline. Not good enough to snipe and do not know what a tank is for. OB's? Counter them with another HAV?
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3362	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:17:00 - [7] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: halii oloektan wrote: Tank snipers need a way to be destroyed. Something like if they stay behind the redline for too long they get blown up. There is no real way to kill these fucks, as soon as you do a fraction of damage they run back too where you cant get them with out being killed by redline. Not good enough to snipe and do not know what a tank is for. OB's? Counter them with another HAV? Seriously, why wouldn't you drop an OB on them? Oh wait, OP is probably a lone-wolf derp who wants to try and solo any vehicle he sees. Sniper tanks usually have next to NO defensive modules. If you drop an OB on them, especially if they're up in a precarious spot they can't move from quickly, they WILL die.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1416	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:30:00 - [8] - Quote Gotta have some form of artillery in this game and Rail Guns are the closest thing we have right now.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 219	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:46:00 - [9] - Quote railguns r nothing lime artillery obs r a form of artillery.. the sniping with tanks isnt funny...
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 602	Posted - 2013.08.29 00:08:00 - [10] - Quote halii oloektan wrote: Tank snipers need a way to be destroyed. Something like if they stay behind the redline for too long they get blown up. There is no real way to kill these fucks, as soon as you do a fraction of damage they run back too where you cant get them with out being killed by redline. Not good enough to snipe and do not know what a tank is for. You sir, have an amazing lack of imagination. Red lines are only visible to the Blue team, FYI. The Red have a different Red Line (much like the one you see when you play the opposite side on that map). The CCP/Shanghai Red Line defined Red Zone is a great little engineering solution for setting boundaries in the game with nothing more than an update to a text file (or whatever they use). As it appears you have not been around for long it might be interesting to note that the Red Zones have moved dramatically over many of the maps. So blowing them up for being in their own zone makes no sense whatsoever. Which is why I suspect that you have not played long enough to notice the lines are different for Attackers and Defenders. Also, if you get the Red Tank to retreat you have effectively removed it from battle. You are late to the party. Learn how to play this game.

CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 219	Posted - 2013.08.29 00:43:00 - [11] - Quote um not quite removed from battle they still pop out to get kill then retreat back to safety..as long as they still exist on the map they r a threat..end of discussion..
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 53	Posted - 2013.08.29 00:44:00 - [12] - Quote halii oloektan wrote: Tank snipers need a way to be destroyed. Something like if they stay behind the redline for too long they get blown up. There is no real way to kill these fucks, as soon as you do a fraction of damage they run back too where you cant get them with out being killed by redline. Not good enough to snipe and do not know what a tank is for. I for one do not spend my entire match in the redline. I mean really man, for one on the larger maps, You can rarely see distant things without poking out of the redline. Smaller maps I can, but I know for a fact that unless I'm in hiding, I can be hit. What do you call it when I use my Sniper Cannon to "snipe you" within 100 meters? Damn sure ain't in no redline.
Pseudonym2 The Pyramid Order 2	Posted - 2013.08.29 01:14:00 - [13] - Quote I, for one, just spent time in a match where someone went 26 and 0 sniping from on top of the MCC. Said gentleman could fire at anything on the map an could not be shot from anywhere on the map. I could not fire on this gent from inside the enemy redline with a sniper rifle. If you'd care to experiment, you'll find that there are many weapons which simply disappear behind the redline, and there are a great deal which don't provide the time to reach someone behind the redline. While I understand the gameplay aspect of the inconsistent redlines and agree with it, that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't being horribly abused. And someone wants me to learn to adapt??? To exploits??? Sorry, not a lot of sympathy for the people who need to cheat the code to get their kills here. BTW I don't blame the programmers for having holes in the code......I'd just really like to see the folks who abuse them account banned.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 219	Posted - 2013.08.29 01:26:00 - [14] - Quote Pseudonym2 wrote: I, for one, just spent time in a match where someone went 26 and 0 sniping from on top of the MCC. Said gentleman could fire at anything on the map an could not be shot from anywhere on the map. I could not fire on this gent from inside the enemy redline with a sniper rifle. If you'd care to experiment, you'll find that there are many weapons which simply disappear behind the redline, and there are a great deal which don't provide the time to reach someone behind the redline. While I understand the gameplay aspect of the inconsistent redlines and agree with it, that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't being horribly abused. And someone wants me to learn to adapt??? To exploits??? Sorry, not a lot of sympathy for the people who need to cheat the code to get their kills here. BTW I don't blame the programmers for having holes in the code......I'd just really like to see the folks who abuse them account banned. now i like that idea!
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 729	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:05:00 - [15] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Sniping tanks are a consequence, like murder taxi, when tankers (or ex tankers) do it, they are the consequence of a overwhelming AV. This, and extreme costs. Take note on the analysis of the issue CCP..
Pseudonym2 The Pyramid Order 3	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:28:00 - [16] - Quote I don't necessarily want to argue with tank's AV, though I think they have plenty of resistance. There are cars in the game which are virtually immortal in the face of AV. Proximity mines do nothing to them...nor do AV's. The difference between a standard jeep and a top end is obscene. It it far easier to kill a tank than a fully upgraded jeep. A jeep can outrun both rockets and mines, and can resist both of those to the point of it being a non-consideration. If they make a virtuallyy immortal enemy, blame them if you have a weaopn that is designed to deal with them.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 221	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:30:00 - [17] - Quote i dont think the costs r that extreme for the mlt equipment... std and all of the above r a little to much though but we still get the occasionally next to invincible tank with the proto ad adv fitted stuff.. so i kinda of like the fact that a large proto turret costs over 1m lol.. makes my cheap soma feel special...
Pseudonym2 The Pyramid Order 3	Posted - 2013.08.29 03:04:00 - [18] - Quote Have no problem when you get kills in your paper tank, I have no problem fighting a paper tank on the battle field. It's when ANYTHING fights from a point beyond which the game will not allow you to fight past that bothers me. Hit you with an OB, really guy? I should have to waste an orbital because you can't face standard combat?
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 256	Posted - 2013.08.29 03:19:00 - [19] - Quote I would say limit Railgun range but not only doesnt that make sense but I couldnt bare the brunt of QQ it would generate.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1417	Posted - 2013.08.29 04:25:00 - [20] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: railguns r nothing lime artillery obs r a form of artillery.. the sniping with tanks isnt funny... Well they do not resemble traditional artillery but as I said its the closest thing we have, why should tanks have to come and engage up infantry men knowing that our AV is totally imbalanced against them. If we had real artillery people would have to put up with explosive rounds raining from the sky, which IMO is something I would relish.

Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 109	Posted - 2013.08.29 04:47:00 - [21] - Quote When my tank cannot be killed by one person who spent under 75k sp into av nades, I will leave the redline. When losing a tank doesn't set me back a minimum of 4 matches, I will leave the redline. When standard forge guns can't outdps an advanced large rail gun, I will leave the redline. When I no longer have only standard vehicles with which to take on your proto swarms, I will leave the redline. When I don't need to beg the devs to leave in a confirmed glitch just to make it possible for me to survive, I will leave the redline. Until then, I'm planting my happy ass safely where you can't get me. You can suck it up and deal with it.
Galan Marik Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 0	Posted - 2013.08.29 05:22:00 - [22] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: When my tank cannot be killed by one person who spent under 75k sp into av nades, I will leave the redline. When losing a tank doesn't set me back a minimum of 4 matches, I will leave the redline. When standard forge guns can't outdps an advanced large rail gun, I will leave the redline. When I no longer have only standard vehicles with which to take on your proto swarms, I will leave the redline. When I don't need to beg the devs to leave in a confirmed glitch just to make it possible for me to survive, I will leave the redline. Until then, I'm planting my happy ass safely where you can't get me. You can suck it up and deal with it. Very well said sir. I would also like to point out the red line sniper tanks can only do damage if lemmings keep walking out into the open were they can be shot.
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 69	Posted - 2013.08.29 05:42:00 - [23] - Quote Tanks are getting a major overhaul in 1.5 as 1.4 is about to roll out in just a few days. At this time running tanks is extremely costly and I applaud anyone who does in whatever form( granted I'm a swarm specialist). I know from experience how hard it is to remove rail snipers, but wtf would I want them removed from the gem?? Rail Sniping is a valid tactic and should not be removed plain and simple redline sniping is an issue that needs to be solved but tanks well frankly.... At least you can see them easily. Also a well coordinated squad should have no issues with redline tanks.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1260	Posted - 2013.08.29 09:50:00 - [24] - Quote tank snipers. Ya and? How do you figure this is different from any other kind of sniper? Or the scout that licks your ear with a shotgun? I can kill the tanksnipers just fine. There is really nothing profound in doing so. Here, have some reading materiel: Because I know you couldn't be bothered
Pseudonym2 The Pyramid Order 4	Posted - 2013.08.29 10:09:00 - [25] - Quote I was only actually commenting here because of the red line issue, and personally it's more red line snipers that I have a problem with but I have to comment on a few things. A) When you say your tank is only useful when "lemmings" run out in the open in 75% of the maps you're basically faulting people for not hiding behind a rock the entire game. They're long range maps genius....you have to run out in the open, especially if you use anything other than a long range weapon. B) I have at least enhanced on my AV's and have consistently seen various forms of high end vehicles either absorb, ignore or outrun anything I can throw at them. I run with someone who is specialized into tanks, and I've never heard him complain about how underpowered they are with his 20+ kills per match. If you're getting blown up by infantry, get a gunner. C) Why do people keep falling back to the realism factor? In the real world, an assault rifle doesn't have more killing potential than a missile launcher. In the real world "I" can easily survive an impact from a vehicle at 4 kph, and I don't wear power armour. And in the real world, there are no redlines, and I could, hypothetically, drop as many remote explosives anywhere as I like, and said explosives would not simply disappear. Also, no vehicle outside of the Challenger outruns a rocket. Please folks, stop justifying your arguments with real world physics if you're going to do it selectively.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 728	Posted - 2013.08.29 10:32:00 - [26] - Quote First off rail tanks are long range engagement wepons and when im in the redline with my rail it is normally my job to hold up the rear objective somthing redli e rails are verry effective at because we are long range wepons so sitting in the redling playing point defense on the rear objective is a perfictly valid tactic. And of course when I see a red out in the open within my 250 m rendering distance I will shoot to kill . What the f@#k do all you whiny ar scrubs expect me to do just let them breeze on in get comfy and hack the objective...... hell no im going to give them a 1 way ticket to there mcc. Rail tanks will sit and snipe in the redline so just get over it and play your role.
Pseudonym2 The Pyramid Order 4	Posted - 2013.08.29 10:52:00 - [27] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: First off rail tanks are long range engagement wepons and when im in the redline with my rail it is normally my job to hold up the rear objective somthing redli e rails are verry effective at because we are long range wepons so sitting in the redling playing point defense on the rear objective is a perfictly valid tactic. And of course when I see a red out in the open within my 250 m rendering distance I will shoot to kill . What the f@#k do all you whiny ar scrubs expect me to do just let them breeze on in get comfy and hack the objective...... hell no im going to give them a 1 way ticket to there mcc. Rail tanks will sit and snipe in the redline so just get over it and play your role. I think you're missing the point, the issue isn't your range. The issue is your effective invulnerability to 95% of the players on the map. Personally, I don't think an entire squad should have to work at least half the map just to kill a red-line tank, while it has free license to pick them off the entire time. If we weren't game-blocked from causing you damage, I'm pretty sure you'd see a fair deal less complaints.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 110	Posted - 2013.08.29 13:08:00 - [28] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: halii oloektan wrote: Tank snipers need a way to be destroyed. Something like if they stay behind the redline for too long they get blown up. There is no real way to kill these fucks, as soon as you do a fraction of damage they run back too where you cant get them with out being killed by redline. Not good enough to snipe and do not know what a tank is for. OB's? Counter them with another HAV? Its rather tankers trying to undergo the risk of tanking but getting the benefits they do it for the same reasons snipers are sitting in the redline. I see tankers that do fine in the middle of combat and although I hate beeing killed by a tank those tankers always get my full repect for putting themself in the heat of the battle. I had some really great duells with capable tankers.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 555	Posted - 2013.08.29 13:09:00 - [29] - Quote halii oloektan wrote: Tank snipers need a way to be destroyed. Something like if they stay behind the redline for too long they get blown up. There is no real way to kill these fucks, as soon as you do a fraction of damage they run back too where you cant get them with out being killed by redline. Not good enough to snipe and do not know what a tank is for. I'll let you guys kill my redline sniper tank if proto AV can no longer solo me in the open field
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 322	Posted - 2013.08.29 13:19:00 - [30] - Quote halii oloektan wrote: Not good enough to snipe and do not know what a tank is for. If it works, that's what the tank is made for.



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