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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
598
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:13:00 -
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I generally make an effort to rep friendly tanks since they can be a force multiplier if played right but if I see them blapping supply depots, then I let them burn. |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
265
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:17:00 -
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Lillica Deathdealer wrote:Lemme get this straight... You want tanks to destroy other vehicles, keep infantry off you, defend every objective, and defend that supply depot for you? In the first place, someone needs to hack it for us. Let me make it more clear. When there is an enemy supply depot our options are destroy it, leave the area because AV shows up, or leave our tank to hack it and get shot. Tell me how this is viable. Some people earlier tried saying let the blues use the supply depot to switch out and snipe AV guys. But how often do you see blueberries actually snipe the AV guys in a match? How often do you see blueberries put up a good fight once multiple tanks show up on the battle field, if nobody on the team has proto AV that can solo them? No very often yeah? So it comes down to hoping your blueberries do something smart and risk 2.2 mil, or take out the depot that is ALREADY RED (with no clear push by your team to take it back) and have fewer threats to deal with. Not to mention a hostile tank can sit next to said supply depot and gain the advantage of armor reps. Tell me, which of these seems more appropriate in the situation I presented, which more often than not is the situation in games? Most vet tankers are much smarter than you give credit to, and the thought process is not "lol lets get 50 WP." Instead its "given the circumstances of the battle is it more beneficial to my team to take out this structure?" Consider this- If the enemy has to remain in the suit they spawn, wouldn't it actually help the team if they were locked into an AV role to bust up the tank? Wouldn't that mean the infantry could rush in and only have to face a group of guys with swarm launchers in hand? The issue is that nobody thinks that far, as seen by your posts on the forums, and takes advantage of what the smart tankers are trying to do for you. I don't expect you take take what I said well because I'm not running around with an AR, so let the trolling begin. Huge wall... When i posted this the scenario i had in mind was at the beginning of the match, a tank immediately goes for the supply depot while 2 blue dots are going for the hack and the tank can care less and continues to blow it up before the hack is complete. |
Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
29
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:33:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:A much more elegant solution would be make it so that destroyed supply depots remain on the map as 'greyed out' with zero health.
Then if the depot is repair to xx% (say, 35% for example). It becomes operational again and neutral.
They should do this with CRUs and then drop CRU and SD health down to around 3000 armor and 1000 shields.
They can be destroyed as a tactical measure, and then repaired as a tactical measure as well.
Lets push for a more dynamic battlefield and not a less dynamic one.
This is brilliant. It adds an interesting mechanic and seems technically feasible. It gives the logi role something else to do and makes the repair tool a more attractive equipment choice. This might also be a place where deployable shields are useful. Adding a deployable shield to an installation would make it more necessary to launch a combined infantry and armor assault (infantry flux off the portable shield, armor pops the installation). Making installations an important tactical consideration seems like something that would be fun. Deployable installations, via a dedicated field commander stationed in the MMC or an "engineer" role player on the field, would also be nice. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
497
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:35:00 -
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Do you destroy enemy nanohives? |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
208
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:39:00 -
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1.5 sounds like the fix for this. If they destroy the supply depot they will have to go back to the redline for ammo. But generally I don't care, the tank is your investment and your choice how to deploy. If you feel its the best way to protect your investment go ahead |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
265
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:41:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Do you destroy enemy nanohives? Nanohives can be deployed and infinite amount of times. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1123
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:54:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Coming from a corp thats asks for tanks for every PC battle and hide behind the depot spamming av nades lolno Imma take it out just to annoy you Sorry i didnt realise you were aware of how many battles we have throughout a week and how often we need a tank since ours tend to be busy. And dont bring up my corp when "i" make a post, why disrespect people in your alliance?
Because i can
I dont care if your in my alliance, why does that make you special?
You complain about us destroying depots yet you hide behind them so how else am i going to kill you? thats right i will pop it to get to you |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
506
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:02:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Did you miss every single post made by tankers in the last few days?
Since you choose to miss everything, I'll say it again.
We blow up depots if we have to. We don't do it just because we want to. Lots of us run armor tanks, and do like the fact that we could visit a depot to top off our armor. However, if it looks like the enemy team has a ton of AV available, then we're going to take it out. If a match is really close, and a depot is the only thing standing between my team taking an objective and losing, I'll destroy it if the other team is spamming grenades and explosive weaponry.
We have our reasons, and they're good reasons. We get 100 WP for destroying installations. We get 50 WP for destroying a depot. Tell me, why would I spend the time putting 12-15 rail rounds into a depot when I could just put 2-3 into an installation, and get more WP?
You don't have a base for an argument. |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
266
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:03:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Coming from a corp thats asks for tanks for every PC battle and hide behind the depot spamming av nades lolno Imma take it out just to annoy you Sorry i didnt realise you were aware of how many battles we have throughout a week and how often we need a tank since ours tend to be busy. And dont bring up my corp when "i" make a post, why disrespect people in your alliance? Because i can I dont care if your in my alliance, why does that make you special? You complain about us destroying depots yet you hide behind them so how else am i going to kill you? thats right i will pop it to get to you So serious... And its called mutual respect, but i guess thats out the window. Get mad my opinion differs from yours, i can give 2 sh**s |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2870
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:05:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Coming from a corp thats asks for tanks for every PC battle and hide behind the depot spamming av nades lolno Imma take it out just to annoy you Sorry i didnt realise you were aware of how many battles we have throughout a week and how often we need a tank since ours tend to be busy. And dont bring up my corp when "i" make a post, why disrespect people in your alliance? Because i can I dont care if your in my alliance, why does that make you special? You complain about us destroying depots yet you hide behind them so how else am i going to kill you? thats right i will pop it to get to you
u r soooo sellfish.
cnt u c u r hrtin ur blu frends?
lol, ******* Infantry -_- Do your damn jobs and push the supply depot so we don't have to destroy it, and yes the guy who destroy it at the very start of the match was either being tactical or an ass, or both.
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Captain Magenta
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:06:00 -
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No supply depot? Oh my.
Imagine if here happened to be things that replenished ammo that could be carried by a wide variety of classes?
Wouldn't that be something?
Now imagine role diversity, different weapons for different jobs.
Mind blown?
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
599
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:09:00 -
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Captain Magenta wrote:No supply depot? Oh my.
Imagine if here happened to be things that replenished ammo that could be carried by a wide variety of classes?
Wouldn't that be something?
Now imagine role diversity, different weapons for different jobs.
Mind blown?
Which nanohive replenishes other nanohives? Which nanohive allows me to change suits/equipment? |
Eldest Dragon
0uter.Heaven
87
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:10:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Halador Anubis wrote:Well, they're adding ammo capacity to vehicles, so that'll help. The depot will only be good for this if I can hack it blue while still in my tank. Otherwise, it is still a hazard.
Oh just get out for a min...I wont steal your tank I promise... |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
266
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:10:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Did you miss every single post made by tankers in the last few days? Since you choose to miss everything, I'll say it again. We blow up depots if we have to. We don't do it just because we want to. Lots of us run armor tanks, and do like the fact that we could visit a depot to top off our armor. However, if it looks like the enemy team has a ton of AV available, then we're going to take it out. If a match is really close, and a depot is the only thing standing between my team taking an objective and losing, I'll destroy it if the other team is spamming grenades and explosive weaponry.We have our reasons, and they're good reasons. We get 100 WP for destroying installations. We get 50 WP for destroying a depot. Tell me, why would I spend the time putting 12-15 rail rounds into a depot when I could just put 2-3 into an installation, and get more WP? You don't have a base for an argument. Tankers act is if youre all one in the same, "you" may have your reasons, but not all tankers do. 90% of tankers are not what you would consider smart, read recent post for example ^ |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1125
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:11:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Coming from a corp thats asks for tanks for every PC battle and hide behind the depot spamming av nades lolno Imma take it out just to annoy you Sorry i didnt realise you were aware of how many battles we have throughout a week and how often we need a tank since ours tend to be busy. And dont bring up my corp when "i" make a post, why disrespect people in your alliance? Because i can I dont care if your in my alliance, why does that make you special? You complain about us destroying depots yet you hide behind them so how else am i going to kill you? thats right i will pop it to get to you So serious... And its called mutual respect, but i guess thats out the window. Get mad my opinion differs from yours, i can give 2 sh**s
Mutual respect? what because we in the same alliance? get real, what makes you think i respect you compared to the next blue dot? for all i know your an infantry scrub who wants vehicles to be super easy to take out and uses crutch swarms
Get mad lol
Im not the one crying on the forums over no depots
Deal with it |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
497
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:14:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Xender17 wrote:Do you destroy enemy nanohives? Nanohives can be deployed and infinite amount of times. They can also be destroyed an infinite amount of times. Of course once a infantry gets killed they are likely to switch to AV. But this stops them from switching so freely. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
507
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:15:00 -
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Dubber Rucky wrote:Add fuel as a consumable at supply depots. Now tanks protect supply.
Run out of fuel.....sitting ruck. LOL when you accept having to refuel your dropsuit, I'll take refueling my vehicles.
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Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
262
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:15:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Lillica Deathdealer wrote:Lemme get this straight... You want tanks to destroy other vehicles, keep infantry off you, defend every objective, and defend that supply depot for you? In the first place, someone needs to hack it for us. Let me make it more clear. When there is an enemy supply depot our options are destroy it, leave the area because AV shows up, or leave our tank to hack it and get shot. Tell me how this is viable. Some people earlier tried saying let the blues use the supply depot to switch out and snipe AV guys. But how often do you see blueberries actually snipe the AV guys in a match? How often do you see blueberries put up a good fight once multiple tanks show up on the battle field, if nobody on the team has proto AV that can solo them? No very often yeah? So it comes down to hoping your blueberries do something smart and risk 2.2 mil, or take out the depot that is ALREADY RED (with no clear push by your team to take it back) and have fewer threats to deal with. Not to mention a hostile tank can sit next to said supply depot and gain the advantage of armor reps. Tell me, which of these seems more appropriate in the situation I presented, which more often than not is the situation in games? Most vet tankers are much smarter than you give credit to, and the thought process is not "lol lets get 50 WP." Instead its "given the circumstances of the battle is it more beneficial to my team to take out this structure?" Consider this- If the enemy has to remain in the suit they spawn, wouldn't it actually help the team if they were locked into an AV role to bust up the tank? Wouldn't that mean the infantry could rush in and only have to face a group of guys with swarm launchers in hand? The issue is that nobody thinks that far, as seen by your posts on the forums, and takes advantage of what the smart tankers are trying to do for you. I don't expect you take take what I said well because I'm not running around with an AR, so let the trolling begin. Huge wall... When i posted this the scenario i had in mind was at the beginning of the match, a tank immediately goes for the supply depot while 2 blue dots are going for the hack and the tank can care less and continues to blow it up before the hack is complete. ooooh. Please try to give a full scenario beforehand, it helps us to avoid flaming your post. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
507
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:15:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Wait, is this becoming a problem now? It takes like 45 mins for a tank to kill those things. Little under 30 seconds but good try Ain't no blaster doin DAT! Now a rail tank... You don't know much, do you. |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
262
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:16:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Dubber Rucky wrote:Add fuel as a consumable at supply depots. Now tanks protect supply.
Run out of fuel.....sitting ruck. LOL when you accept having to refuel your dropsuit, I'll take refueling my vehicles. Next On top of that I'm pretty sure MODERN cars can drive 15 minutes without needing a gas station. |
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Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
507
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:17:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Coming from a corp thats asks for tanks for every PC battle and hide behind the depot spamming av nades lolno Imma take it out just to annoy you LOL! |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
508
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:19:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. I hate those point hoeing scrub ss tankers... I'll do it just to **** you off. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
508
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:20:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Coming from a corp thats asks for tanks for every PC battle and hide behind the depot spamming av nades lolno Imma take it out just to annoy you Sorry i didnt realise you were aware of how many battles we have throughout a week and how often we need a tank since ours tend to be busy. And dont bring up my corp when "i" make a post, why disrespect people in your alliance? You have like 2 tankers, if that. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
508
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:30:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Lillica Deathdealer wrote:Lemme get this straight... You want tanks to destroy other vehicles, keep infantry off you, defend every objective, and defend that supply depot for you? In the first place, someone needs to hack it for us. Let me make it more clear. When there is an enemy supply depot our options are destroy it, leave the area because AV shows up, or leave our tank to hack it and get shot. Tell me how this is viable. Some people earlier tried saying let the blues use the supply depot to switch out and snipe AV guys. But how often do you see blueberries actually snipe the AV guys in a match? How often do you see blueberries put up a good fight once multiple tanks show up on the battle field, if nobody on the team has proto AV that can solo them? No very often yeah? So it comes down to hoping your blueberries do something smart and risk 2.2 mil, or take out the depot that is ALREADY RED (with no clear push by your team to take it back) and have fewer threats to deal with. Not to mention a hostile tank can sit next to said supply depot and gain the advantage of armor reps. Tell me, which of these seems more appropriate in the situation I presented, which more often than not is the situation in games? Most vet tankers are much smarter than you give credit to, and the thought process is not "lol lets get 50 WP." Instead its "given the circumstances of the battle is it more beneficial to my team to take out this structure?" Consider this- If the enemy has to remain in the suit they spawn, wouldn't it actually help the team if they were locked into an AV role to bust up the tank? Wouldn't that mean the infantry could rush in and only have to face a group of guys with swarm launchers in hand? The issue is that nobody thinks that far, as seen by your posts on the forums, and takes advantage of what the smart tankers are trying to do for you. I don't expect you take take what I said well because I'm not running around with an AR, so let the trolling begin. Huge wall... When i posted this the scenario i had in mind was at the beginning of the match, a tank immediately goes for the supply depot while 2 blue dots are going for the hack and the tank can care less and continues to blow it up before the hack is complete. So it's a hypothetical at that. LOL You can't understand the tanking mindset at all. Trying asking Xender. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
508
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:31:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Do you destroy enemy nanohives? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3354
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:32:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Uuuhhh tanks are getting ammo in 1.5 I think u will find they will start to protect them instead :-D Especially since they still repair vehicle armor, don't they? |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
264
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:34:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Did you miss every single post made by tankers in the last few days? Since you choose to miss everything, I'll say it again. We blow up depots if we have to. We don't do it just because we want to. Lots of us run armor tanks, and do like the fact that we could visit a depot to top off our armor. However, if it looks like the enemy team has a ton of AV available, then we're going to take it out. If a match is really close, and a depot is the only thing standing between my team taking an objective and losing, I'll destroy it if the other team is spamming grenades and explosive weaponry.We have our reasons, and they're good reasons. We get 100 WP for destroying installations. We get 50 WP for destroying a depot. Tell me, why would I spend the time putting 12-15 rail rounds into a depot when I could just put 2-3 into an installation, and get more WP? You don't have a base for an argument. Tankers act is if youre all one in the same, "you" may have your reasons, but not all tankers do. 90% of tankers are not what you would consider smart, read recent post for example ^ Bear in mind this argument of 90% dont act intelligently can absolutely backfire on you. I've seen swarms try to kill supply depots for whatever reason. Should I say all scrub AV guys dont have a brain? No I shouldn't, because there are enough with the intelligence to get atop a spire and deny all vehicles on the battlefield. Also we can examine infantry. A good many wait for an objective to turn red before hacking it so they can get points. Does that make them wrong? Surely they could have aided the team more by counterhacking without a reward. Also performing logistics activities from a shield logi LAV gives no points, scanning gives no points, destroying equipment gives no points. Many people avoid doing things because it gives no points. In qa losing match many infantry that could bring out expensive, dare I say proto equipment switch to militia gear instead because they dont want to lose money. A tanker still bring in their tank, and it absolutely costs more than your suit. Where is the argument there? Combining your infantry with the tank might even be able to push an objective! And then theres the choice of targets. Certainly, alot of infantry sooner kill the guy that can kill them than the guy that can kill the tank. If the infantry killed the AV guy, the tank could kill the other assault focused infantry and you'd have a wonderful world. But thats not how it goes is it? |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
266
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:37:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Coming from a corp thats asks for tanks for every PC battle and hide behind the depot spamming av nades lolno Imma take it out just to annoy you Sorry i didnt realise you were aware of how many battles we have throughout a week and how often we need a tank since ours tend to be busy. And dont bring up my corp when "i" make a post, why disrespect people in your alliance? You have like 2 tankers, if that. We have about 6 most are inactive |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
508
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:42:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Did you miss every single post made by tankers in the last few days? Since you choose to miss everything, I'll say it again. We blow up depots if we have to. We don't do it just because we want to. Lots of us run armor tanks, and do like the fact that we could visit a depot to top off our armor. However, if it looks like the enemy team has a ton of AV available, then we're going to take it out. If a match is really close, and a depot is the only thing standing between my team taking an objective and losing, I'll destroy it if the other team is spamming grenades and explosive weaponry.We have our reasons, and they're good reasons. We get 100 WP for destroying installations. We get 50 WP for destroying a depot. Tell me, why would I spend the time putting 12-15 rail rounds into a depot when I could just put 2-3 into an installation, and get more WP? You don't have a base for an argument. Tankers act is if youre all one in the same, "you" may have your reasons, but not all tankers do. 90% of tankers are not what you would consider smart, read recent post for example ^ You just can't see it from our point of view. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
508
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:44:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buff the shields to 20,000 and armor to 100,000, gg selfish tanks. If the enemy team wants your tank gone they will destroy it whether the supply depot is there or not. Dont punish infantry because of your insecurities. Coming from a corp thats asks for tanks for every PC battle and hide behind the depot spamming av nades lolno Imma take it out just to annoy you Sorry i didnt realise you were aware of how many battles we have throughout a week and how often we need a tank since ours tend to be busy. And dont bring up my corp when "i" make a post, why disrespect people in your alliance? You have like 2 tankers, if that. We have about 6 most are inactive LOL! |
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