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Lorhak Gannarsein
DUST University Ivy League
234
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:12:00 -
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I guess we'll have to just 'adapt or die'. I anticipate a lot of dying while I adapt.
So help me, I still want to spend more SP on my tracked coffin. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
245
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:14:00 -
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nope , i dont want to be a LLAV driver anymore
its funny tough , i feel like dust514 is slipping me off
when the event started i was kinda interested but slowly i lost interest , i enter dust , i look around quarter then i log off and i post here |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1117
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:49:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Their not all there so its very hard to say. But so far i say no, i dont like how the active resist is going to be really short in life span and how passive resist is going to be so low. Too easy to kill
When the notes 1st dropped i did actually think i possibly would drop my tank, add in the 1.4 changes and we could have basic hulls and mods against proto AV still which would have killed it for me
Now Wolfman did reply in the thread and dropped 3 more things
Proto mods, the hulls dont seem to matter if they generally have enough PG/CPU to fit on proto mods but proto mods is good, more tank/hp/EHP/resists/reps etc, its a good thing
AV damage changes - Great news, while they are working out tanks they will be working out the AV damage, hopefully no more solo with proto AV against a tank with proto mods on it now
DS - They get more health and wp for doing what they do
Them 3 changes have made me more positive, i know now we have proto mods hopefully to stand against proto AV and the AV is getting changed to be balanced with the mods and possible tank fits that will be made and finally the DS is useful and not a flying coffin |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1275
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:53:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:God dammit CCP. I'm a tanker in Planetside 2, BF3 and...Any other game that involves tanks. Why is it so gimped here! Fix it! I have faith in you!!
I hope tanking becomes like BF3 so I can 2 shot your tank with a javelin |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1275
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:56:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Their not all there so its very hard to say. But so far i say no, i dont like how the active resist is going to be really short in life span and how passive resist is going to be so low. Too easy to kill When the notes 1st dropped i did actually think i possibly would drop my tank, add in the 1.4 changes and we could have basic hulls and mods against proto AV still which would have killed it for me Now Wolfman did reply in the thread and dropped 3 more things Proto mods, the hulls dont seem to matter if they generally have enough PG/CPU to fit on proto mods but proto mods is good, more tank/hp/EHP/resists/reps etc, its a good thing AV damage changes - Great news, while they are working out tanks they will be working out the AV damage, hopefully no more solo with proto AV against a tank with proto mods on it now DS - They get more health and wp for doing what they do Them 3 changes have made me more positive, i know now we have proto mods hopefully to stand against proto AV and the AV is getting changed to be balanced with the mods and possible tank fits that will be made and finally the DS is useful and not a flying coffin
I think AV should be easy but tanks should be way cheaper, like 200-300K ISK at proto. That combined with better battle rewards and a overhaul of the basic/advanced/prototype mechanic would lead to very fun and rewarding battles. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1117
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:57:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:God dammit CCP. I'm a tanker in Planetside 2, BF3 and...Any other game that involves tanks. Why is it so gimped here! Fix it! I have faith in you!! I hope tanking becomes like BF3 so I can 2 shot your tank with a javelin
Tanks are bad in BF3, spam a RPG and lol42% damage with 1 shot |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
495
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:59:00 -
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I hope tanks will be delivered like in BF3, for free... |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1118
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:44:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Their not all there so its very hard to say. But so far i say no, i dont like how the active resist is going to be really short in life span and how passive resist is going to be so low. Too easy to kill When the notes 1st dropped i did actually think i possibly would drop my tank, add in the 1.4 changes and we could have basic hulls and mods against proto AV still which would have killed it for me Now Wolfman did reply in the thread and dropped 3 more things Proto mods, the hulls dont seem to matter if they generally have enough PG/CPU to fit on proto mods but proto mods is good, more tank/hp/EHP/resists/reps etc, its a good thing AV damage changes - Great news, while they are working out tanks they will be working out the AV damage, hopefully no more solo with proto AV against a tank with proto mods on it now DS - They get more health and wp for doing what they do Them 3 changes have made me more positive, i know now we have proto mods hopefully to stand against proto AV and the AV is getting changed to be balanced with the mods and possible tank fits that will be made and finally the DS is useful and not a flying coffin I think AV should be easy but tanks should be way cheaper, like 200-300K ISK at proto. That combined with better battle rewards and a overhaul of the basic/advanced/prototype mechanic would lead to very fun and rewarding battles.
I dont mind if the tank is expensive but it has to be able to tank and take some damage
If the tank is cheap then generally its like paper which for me is the opposite of a tank
AV shouldnt be easy, it shouldnt be a solo job, it should require a measure of teamwork like i use in my tank |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3159
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:49:00 -
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in 1.5 yes |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5943
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:50:00 -
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I just want my wings back
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Yokal Bob
Gravity Prone EoN.
173
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:58:00 -
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It depends, i will suffer through 1.4 with my tanks while we wait 1.5. It does however sound as though a scout suit can last longer in the face of fire than a tank can. "hit and run". What does CCP thinks a tanks role is *baffled*. However i see what it brings and if i don't like 1.5, then i shall hang up my treds and stick with an infantry role. I feel sorry for DS pilots to be honest been left out again :( |
darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
146
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:26:00 -
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Tanks have it bad?? What about DS 75% less heath Bigger in size no way to earn WP We need viechal love |
J Lav
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
181
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:43:00 -
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I ran tanks in Chromosome, and in Uprising decided to get a dropsuit and weapon first. I'm finally there, and so I'll be outfitting a tank soon.
The AV vs Vehicles in this game are pretty messed, but I think it's a combination of preposterous map design (name one that's not a glorified bowl, with vast open fields to die in) and a complete disregard for what other games have learned over the years about skill and availability of AV. |
fahrenheitM
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
432
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:52:00 -
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The fun for me is about to increase as a tanker.
Bug fixes and polish * Fixed a bug on vehicles that prevented them from using the correct view distance at certain angle.
I didn't see this thread before posting the new one, my apologies. |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1093
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:50:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:Void Echo wrote:Billi Gene wrote:Ive split roles over various accounts.
logi on my main account pilot secondary account Heavy suit and a spare account just speccing into core drop suit skills.
Pilot is up to <5 mil SP into vehicles and its been hard going, hopefully these changes will make it somewhat more fun than licking a toilet bowl...
fun for tankers or fun for infantry? fun to tank currently i run a cheaper... 500k sik sica with 'adv' rail gun to make the isk that ill lose when i go into blaster range. blaster: madrugar 3x active resist 120mm plate (?) repper either shield booster or extender i can tank thru alot, my silly sica can even tank thru OB's without a stress, but proto grenade spam and assault FG just wipe me flat. removing the small turrets should free up more cpu/pg for an extra plate on the maddy, and if the active resists are decent ill happily drop the shield tank mods. I already run and gun with the blaster fit, but it does get down to second guessing infantry movements at such a low level of lifetime SP. Railgun is a no brainer, i have a maddy fit for it, but why bother, the sica shield tanks allowing for heat vents and damage mods in the lows, if i get down to 1/4 shields i back off and boost. It's boring as hell rail sniping (fairly much never redline... the angles are all wrong on most maps :P ), but "its a living", and an honest one at that... LLAVs and LAVs are my staple diet unless someone is fool nuff to call in something more expensive...(learnt long ago that calling in a RDV on a match in progress is silly unless you are faaaar back in your redline.. specifically if there is a rail gun tank of tower camping FG somewhere on the map.). so to answer your question: hopefully running tanks is less "making a living" and more "engaging and fun"... for a tanker. I know quite a few AV guys and every time one gets the scent of blood i kinda feel bad for the guy they are chasing, if resists and armor plates/shield extenders get a buff then at least it won't be a turkey shoot. These are my thoughts anyways.... or hopes... or dreams... :) .. see how it goes, i notice that they are rolling out the changes slowly.
im a seasoned vet tanker, you are not speaking for me, I have fun with the way tanking is right now because as far as I can see, this is the most survivability I will ever have, im not looking forward to next build mainly because when I skilled into tanks, I expected to be using it myself, now il have to rely on everyone else to do everything for me, that's not going to happen. |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2013.08.28 19:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Their not all there so its very hard to say. But so far i say no, i dont like how the active resist is going to be really short in life span and how passive resist is going to be so low. Too easy to kill I want a respec so I can become a tanker! Why don't you wait a few years its how CCP keeps their players. |
Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.08.28 19:12:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:God dammit CCP. I'm a tanker in Planetside 2, BF3 and...Any other game that involves tanks. Why is it so gimped here! Fix it! I have faith in you!! Not sure how in PS2 its not more gimped, every Assault Infantry there has a secondary weapon that can kill you 1 vs 1 on their backs or at least supress your tank.
You can see farther. And the missiles don't follow you. Only real differences, but they ARE big ones. |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
270
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Posted - 2013.08.28 19:31:00 -
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If actives are anything like active shield hardeners now in duration, its gonna be LOOLactive tanking. But I will be a caldari vehicle specialist same as always. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1966
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Posted - 2013.08.28 19:57:00 -
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I'm a self grounded dropship pilot as of the last respec because I didn't see any inkling of direction from CCP.
It seemed that CCP Blam was just building random crap without any coherent idea of how it could be used or rewarded. We had shield transfer modules that required you to glue your ship to the target and sit exposed. We had spherical field scanners that forced us to fly right on the deck to get any range. We earned zero rewards for anything other than kills from weak light turrets.
With all those issues his answer was to build a bomber variant. That was my cue to bail.
Now I hear actual thoughts on direction and high level goals from Wolfman and I'm encouraged.
I hear ideas about how to make vehicles survivable and useful without turning them into the god mode of Precursor.
I'm beginning to think this might introduce strategy into a game that frankly lacks it.
I can't evaluate the effectiveness of the opposed changes without hard numbers, but those things can be changed if wrong. What can't easily be fixed by changing numbers is a lack of vision or a bad vision. That's why I am now more optimistic.
So I've decided to save my SP for a possible splurge on dropship. If I like the effort I see in 1.5 and 1.6 I'll drop 5m back in. |
Tank Gorillarape
Ancient Exiles
48
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:30:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Their not all there so its very hard to say. But so far i say no, i dont like how the active resist is going to be really short in life span and how passive resist is going to be so low. Too easy to kill I want to be one now more than I did before, even back when I was a dedicated tanker in E3. This is the beginning of the end of this ******** Vehicle vs AV fight. funny how the real tankers of dust are considering migration to something else while people like you are wanting to go into a dying class You arent a real tanker, and if u are i must be a god compared to you because you are probably the worst tanker i have faced in my time in dust, MLT tankers are smarter than you and GTFO of the mountain if your an armor tank, leave tanking to the "Real Tankers", You dont even play the game anymore because you ******* blow |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7858
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Posted - 2013.08.28 21:08:00 -
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Real die hards will continue to profess even at a loss. |
sly Bandit
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
28
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Posted - 2013.08.28 21:16:00 -
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no matter what happens with vehicles even if they become utterly useless I will still run them because its what im good at and its fun for me. And even if CCP nerfs tanks as bad as they have dropships I will still drive around in them. all the people who ditch their vehicles because they are getting changed are just cowards. |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1094
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Posted - 2013.08.28 21:40:00 -
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Tank Gorillarape wrote:Void Echo wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Their not all there so its very hard to say. But so far i say no, i dont like how the active resist is going to be really short in life span and how passive resist is going to be so low. Too easy to kill I want to be one now more than I did before, even back when I was a dedicated tanker in E3. This is the beginning of the end of this ******** Vehicle vs AV fight. funny how the real tankers of dust are considering migration to something else while people like you are wanting to go into a dying class You arent a real tanker, and if u are i must be a god compared to you because you are probably the worst tanker i have faced in my time in dust, MLT tankers are smarter than you and GTFO of the mountain if your an armor tank, leave tanking to the "Real Tankers", You dont even play the game anymore because you ******* blow
lol raging ranter, not happy because I don't tank the way you do, also, if im not a real tanker then your just average because I have over 10 million SP in tanks, your so full of yourself. especially since your with them. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.08.28 21:45:00 -
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id tank if i had the points,but only in games when it counts and,only when i counts. |
Beld Errmon
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
823
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:02:00 -
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Tank Gorillarape wrote: You arent a real tanker, and if u are i must be a god compared to you because you are probably the worst tanker i have faced in my time in dust, MLT tankers are smarter than you and GTFO of the mountain if your an armor tank, leave tanking to the "Real Tankers", You dont even play the game anymore because you ******* blow
Aren't you that guy who was seen killing a friends alt over and over so you could boost your KDR (or perhaps some other reason) |
Gelan Corbaine
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
176
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:33:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:[
I dont mind if the tank is expensive but it has to be able to tank and take some damage
If the tank is cheap then generally its like paper which for me is the opposite of a tank
AV shouldnt be easy, it shouldnt be a solo job, it should require a measure of teamwork like i use in my tank
AV isn't a solo job . Someone has to keep all those pesky AI infantry off of us while we find some place or target wont kill us while we kill them and AV Heavies require some logi support. As long as getting the killing blow is the only way for a AVer to get paid then he should be able to kill vehicles. |
KalOfTheRathi
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
602
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:41:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Their not all there so its very hard to say. But so far i say no, i dont like how the active resist is going to be really short in life span and how passive resist is going to be so low. Too easy to kill Sorry, I cannot find the notes.
Would someone post the URL for them.
Edit: Of course, I found them a minute later. Nvr mnd. |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
73
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:03:00 -
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With the balance pass on HAV's I might ACTUALLY end up putting some SP into vehicles (where now I have 0)! Hell, I play ARMA and Project Reality. Limited tank ammo and tactical vehicle engagements are second nature. |
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