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Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1192
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:46:00 -
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Sounds like a major change to the skill tree is coming. I want these points refunded. |
Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
42
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:48:00 -
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refunded so u can spec into what? i want that sagaris back. Only tank worthy of PC |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1265
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:50:00 -
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Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1196
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:52:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it.
The skill tree got changed. I didn't skill into the same thing, now.
This isn't a nerf or a buff it's a complete redesign. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:53:00 -
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but it's something totally different nao |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
152
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:54:00 -
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I feel like a vehicle respec is definitely in order (if the skill tree is changed). Not so sure about your AV though. Seems if anything, it is better than what you specced into, not worse. |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
137
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:58:00 -
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i was discussing this earlier, ANY time CCP completely changes a skill (not % stuff but the actual skill) like the HMG skill, you should get ALL sp back for it because you NEVER skill into that, you skill into something different and THEY moved your SP
In relation to the HMG skill, sure its cool for most of you, and why would i want the SP when it allows me to use better HMGs - i only use standard fits, and the current skill is much better for me than recoil reduction because im not a complete **** that cant aim |
Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
45
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:58:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:I feel like a vehicle respec is definitely in order (if the skill tree is changed). Not so sure about your AV though. Seems if anything, it is better than what you specced into, not worse.
AV getting small tweak thats all. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
241
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:00:00 -
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charlollta lets talk sexy |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2972
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:00:00 -
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Only if you'll refund the amount of life I've spent reading through your pile of garbage threads. |
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
362
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:03:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Only if you'll refund the amount of life I've spent reading through your pile of garbage threads.
can i get an amen.
also: no respecs. ever. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1266
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:03:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. The skill tree got changed. I didn't skill into the same thing, now. This isn't a nerf or a buff it's a complete redesign.
If there are different skills introduced, then they'll have no choice but to refund previous vehicle skills. Changing various bonuses and/or the functionality of certain items however, is simply another rebalance. No different than those done for suits and weapons. And pleas for a respec will be just as successful as those were.
This incessant whine from people who are afraid that they will no longer be able to rely on their crutch is just entitled crap, and it makes me lose what little faith I have for the future of this game. |
Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
45
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:05:00 -
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SAGARIS! |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4583
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:09:00 -
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This might actually warrant a respec if they have to make changes to the skill tree. But I hope this doesn't wind up as a situation where they try to keep the skills the same just to avoid respecs when a complete rework would produce better results. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1201
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:10:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. The skill tree got changed. I didn't skill into the same thing, now. This isn't a nerf or a buff it's a complete redesign. If there are different skills introduced, then they'll have no choice but to refund previous vehicle skills. Changing various bonuses and/or the functionality of certain items however, is simply another rebalance. No different than those done for suits and weapons. And pleas for a respec will be just as successful as those were. This incessant whine from people who are afraid that they will no longer be able to rely on their crutch is just entitled crap, and it makes me lose what little faith I have for the future of this game.
Crutch? Tanking is about as easy as running a gallente assault in 1.2
Chrome was just right. The bad and average tankers died instantly but the good ones were gods |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1584
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:13:00 -
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NO
they can't do a refund untill they release ALL THE TANK ALL THE LAVS ALL THE DROPSHIPS
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Cy Clone1
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
245
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:13:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it.
Its a complete rework, its not like they are swapping a few numbers! Example: say you speced into ars, then ccp said we are doing a complete rework they will now work entirely opposite to its description. That's deserving of a respec.
that being said ill still spec into tanks I just wont get every single vehicle in the game this time |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1201
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:17:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. Its a complete rework, its not like they are swapping a few numbers! Example: say you speced into ars, then ccp said we are doing a complete rework they will now work entirely opposite to its description. That's deserving of a respec. that being said ill still spec into tanks I just wont get every single vehicle in the game this time Same |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1269
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:28:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. Its a complete rework, its not like they are swapping a few numbers! Example: say you speced into ars, then ccp said we are doing a complete rework they will now work entirely opposite to its description. That's deserving of a respec. that being said ill still spec into tanks I just wont get every single vehicle in the game this time
"Entirely opposite to its description"? So tanks are becoming very cheap and will have low hp now?
No, they're still going to be tanks, and as a result, those who skilled into tanks because they were tanks have no grounds for a respec. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
495
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:35:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. Its a complete rework, its not like they are swapping a few numbers! Example: say you speced into ars, then ccp said we are doing a complete rework they will now work entirely opposite to its description. That's deserving of a respec. that being said ill still spec into tanks I just wont get every single vehicle in the game this time "Entirely opposite to its description"? So tanks are becoming very cheap and will have low hp now? No, they're still going to be tanks, and as a result, those who skilled into tanks because they were tanks have no grounds for a respec. From HAV and DS perspectives they are putting an incredibly gigantic change on vehicles. The only thing good for vehicles that's coming is removing required small turrets. Everything else about 1.5 is a nerf. They are changing everything we were told we would be when we specced into HAVs. |
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Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
298
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:39:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. Its a complete rework, its not like they are swapping a few numbers! Example: say you speced into ars, then ccp said we are doing a complete rework they will now work entirely opposite to its description. That's deserving of a respec. that being said ill still spec into tanks I just wont get every single vehicle in the game this time "Entirely opposite to its description"? So tanks are becoming very cheap and will have low hp now? No, they're still going to be tanks, and as a result, those who skilled into tanks because they were tanks have no grounds for a respec. From HAV and DS perspectives they are putting an incredibly gigantic change on vehicles. The only thing good for vehicles that's coming is removing required small turrets. Everything else about 1.5 is a nerf. They are changing everything we were told we would be when we specced into HAVs.
More powerful turrets is a nerf?
Oh and BTW what Wolfman wrote are NOT THE PATCH NOTES
So before anyone throws a hissy fit calm down. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
495
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:43:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Xender17 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. Its a complete rework, its not like they are swapping a few numbers! Example: say you speced into ars, then ccp said we are doing a complete rework they will now work entirely opposite to its description. That's deserving of a respec. that being said ill still spec into tanks I just wont get every single vehicle in the game this time "Entirely opposite to its description"? So tanks are becoming very cheap and will have low hp now? No, they're still going to be tanks, and as a result, those who skilled into tanks because they were tanks have no grounds for a respec. From HAV and DS perspectives they are putting an incredibly gigantic change on vehicles. The only thing good for vehicles that's coming is removing required small turrets. Everything else about 1.5 is a nerf. They are changing everything we were told we would be when we specced into HAVs. More powerful turrets is a nerf? Oh and BTW what Wolfman wrote are NOT THE PATCH NOTES So before anyone throws a hissy fit calm down. No, finite ammo is a nerf.
Oh btw don't act like you know what the patch even means.
Theres no need to be an d-bag.
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1299
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:43:00 -
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i want a respect now... i been against respects because its been slight changes but this is big. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
298
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:46:00 -
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ladwar wrote:i want a respect now... i been against respects because its been slight changes but this is big.
I'd be fine with a respec should the skill tree change as much as every here believes, but right now we don't know the extent of the changes. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
298
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:47:00 -
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Xender17 wrote: No, finite ammo is a nerf.
Oh btw don't act like you know what the patch even means.
Theres no need to be an d-bag.
Finite ammo was necessary. The point I was making is YES I don't know what the patch means but neither do you. So stop acting like the sky is falling down and wait for the actual Patch Notes to come out before you request a respec. |
captain erection
RhymeSayers
4
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:48:00 -
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how about your bwanky and pacifier back?
cry baby |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1339
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:51:00 -
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The only reason I say no to this is because they are likely to issue out another repsec in the next major expansion (post-Uprising) which many are expecting (read: hoping) to include the remaining core content (racial heavies and lights, Minmatar and Amarr vehicles, Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle). I wouldn't want them to give out a respec now only to give out another at that point, rather we just all sit tight until there the perfect opportunity for a final respec presents itself. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
501
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:00:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. There's a difference between wanting a respec to change into the next flavor of the month, and wanting a respec because skills are going to be changed.
We lost the 5% PG per level in the skill, and it got changed to reduction in CPU consumption by 5% per level. Not the same, don't you think?
Instead of gaining shield/armor per level, we got 2% resistance per level. We lost turret proficiency for more damage per level. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
365
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:02:00 -
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I want a respect cos nobody respects me :-( |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
50
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:07:00 -
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LOL, funny. You will obviously get a respec like with the dropsuit changes, as they intend on removing loads of the current stuff and rebuilding it and re-implementing it over time. This would suggest some of the current skills will be absent for at least a while, necessitating a respec.
'Vehicles in 1.5 and beyond!' forum post by CCP Eterne...
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=warning&l=http%3a%2f%2fwww.community.us.playstation.com%2ft5%2fDUST-514%2fVehicles-in-1-5-and-beyond%2fm-p%2f41437369%2fhighlight%2ffalse%23M3811&domain=www.community.us.playstation.com |
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Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2062
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:08:00 -
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Finite ammo is not a nerf!
They said they will up the damage of turrets, that means Rails with more damage than Forges, Blasters that can take down enemies even quicker, and Missiles that will hopefully be worth using. |
Kane Banned
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:13:00 -
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Did you guys not read the part where the vehicle balance will be an on going process since you can't re balance half the game in 4 weeks. Meaning 1.5 will be the first of many vehicle re balances that are coming in the next few months. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
183
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:15:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:From HAV and DS perspectives they are putting an incredibly gigantic change on vehicles. The only thing good for vehicles that's coming is removing required small turrets. Everything else about 1.5 is a nerf. They are changing everything we were told we would be when we specced into HAVs. They told you'd be overpowered solo monsters in a game that is centered around team play? I must have missed that Dev Blog.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1272
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:31:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Xender17 wrote: From HAV and DS perspectives they are putting an incredibly gigantic change on vehicles. The only thing good for vehicles that's coming is removing required small turrets. Everything else about 1.5 is a nerf. They are changing everything we were told we would be when we specced into HAVs.
More powerful turrets is a nerf? Oh and BTW what Wolfman wrote are NOT THE PATCH NOTES So before anyone throws a hissy fit calm down. No, finite ammo is a nerf. Oh btw don't act like you know what the patch even means. Theres no need to be an d-bag.
If you want a respec because of a nerf, then you're no better than those QQing CalLogis.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1272
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:38:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. There's a difference between wanting a respec to change into the next flavor of the month, and wanting a respec because skills are going to be changed. We lost the 5% PG per level in the skill, and it got changed to reduction in CPU consumption by 5% per level. Not the same, don't you think? Instead of gaining shield/armor per level, we got 2% resistance per level. We lost turret proficiency for more damage per level.
Like I said earlier in the thread; a refund of a skill that is effectively removed & replaced is fine, but a major overhaul to the workings of tanks doesn't stop them being tanks. If you chose to spend your SP on a tank, it's staying that way. Those people who picked a support dropsuit are stuck with them, despite having picked them because they made effective assaults. That's the kind of weight that decisions in this game are supposed to carry. |
Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
295
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:48:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Oh give it a fuckin' rest. You skilled into something. You're keeping it. The skill tree got changed. I didn't skill into the same thing, now. This isn't a nerf or a buff it's a complete redesign.
It's not a complete redesign, you don't even understand what the word means. So this link has your answer. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative..
680
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:52:00 -
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Entire GAME is subject to change. Live with it. Or if you disagree, ask for a Character Reset. Then you'd surely be happy. |
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