Funny because you guys haven't come up with anything concrete as to why its a good idea. There isn't too much tangibility in pro prototype argument outside of making an extraordinary broken tank.

Design me an Prototype HAV on the current environment, prove people wrong.

I DARE YOU.

Firstly, lets all be on the same page with the deffinition of proto: the highest level of gear openly avaliable to the player; gear earned reaching max level skills; the highest tier items avaliable on the market; end game status

Additionally, we have to use "the current environment" to prove people wrong.
So, it is apparent in this current environment that vehicals and dropsuits alike receive more slots and fitting when they advance through the tiers. So, it would be logical to give an adv caldari tank 6 highs and 3 lows because the standard caldari tank has 5 highs and 2 lows. Mirrior the same advancements for the armor tanks and give both more fitting and bam! Thats an advanced tank. From there, follow the same procedure for the proto tank, escalating their builds to be a true proto tank.

In this envirnment of progression, skills often give additional benifits in additon to unlocking gear, like mass driver operation unlocks more massdriver variants and gives a 5% increase to explosion radius per level. So, the skill that unlocks the tiers of tanks could give a +5 to 10% shield/armor tottal HP per level, respectfully. Or +5 to 10% PG/cpu bonus, or speed, or additional resist, what have you.

This way, tanks become much, much more powerful throughout the tiers so they can compete with proto AV.
Giving proto tanks 7/5 respectfully would be okay because infantry will still be able to handle them, many AV specialist have proficientcy 5, double/triple damage modded proto AV, the maximum amount of punishment possible in dust and they travel together in squads. They can handle a tank no problem and by the time we actually do get our proto tanks, many dozens of hundreds more players will be doing the absolute maximum amount of damage possible in dust

Firstly, lets all be on the same page with the deffinition of proto: the highest level of gear openly avaliable to the player; gear earned reaching max level skills; the highest tier items avaliable on the market; end game status

Additionally, we have to use "the current environment" to prove people wrong.
So, it is apparent in this current environment that vehicals and dropsuits alike receive more slots and fitting when they advance through the tiers. So, it would be logical to give an adv caldari tank 6 highs and 3 lows because the standard caldari tank has 5 highs and 2 lows. Mirrior the same advancements for the armor tanks and give both more fitting and bam! Thats an advanced tank. From there, follow the same procedure for the proto tank, escalating their builds to be a true proto tank.

In this envirnment of progression, skills often give additional benifits in additon to unlocking gear, like mass driver operation unlocks more massdriver variants and gives a 5% increase to explosion radius per level. So, the skill that unlocks the tiers of tanks could give a +5 to 10% shield/armor tottal HP per level, respectfully. Or +5 to 10% PG/cpu bonus, or speed, or additional resist, what have you.

This way, tanks become much, much more powerful throughout the tiers so they can compete with proto AV.
Giving proto tanks 7/5 respectfully would be okay because infantry will still be able to handle them, many AV specialist have proficientcy 5, double/triple damage modded proto AV, the maximum amount of punishment possible in dust and they travel together in squads. They can handle a tank no problem and by the time we actually do get our proto tanks, many dozens of hundreds more players will be doing the absolute maximum amount of damage possible in dust

uhm can we keep it simple and just get the sagaris back?

TECH tanks wud b a nightmare to balance

Plus sagaris has already been tested, used, and balanced properly.

BRING IT BACK!

5 high, 3 low, no speed penalty, 300 more raw HP in shield, 30 more cpu, Rep rate of 31hp/sec with full maxed skill, plus 3% dmg to missiles per level.

I've seen those CPOpyrex videos. Sargaris tanks were murder wagons that could only be countered by another Sargaris.

I'm not saying this a bad thing, because lol, screw infantry. But I understand the issues that the devs had with leaving them in the game.

I've seen those CPOpyrex videos. Sargaris tanks were murder wagons that could only be countered by another Sargaris.

I'm not saying this a bad thing, because lol, screw infantry. But I understand the issues that the devs had with leaving them in the game.

I've seen those CPOpyrex videos. Sargaris tanks were murder wagons that could only be countered by another Sargaris.

I'm not saying this a bad thing, because lol, screw infantry. But I understand the issues that the devs had with leaving them in the game.

They were easily countered by 2 proto forge gunners, js. No one decided tobdo that for some reason cuz they certainly do now but they were beatable with teamwork, like tanks over standard level should be

Wrong I used to solo sagis with mu ishicone assault forge all the time. Its just not many mercs had proto av back then and thusly the illusion that the mauraders were invinsible was created . They still buckled to proto av but not as esilly as std havs .

Tanks need to be designed with the fact that everyone in a battle will have proto AV.

Max Rack Size in Dust is 5

You didn't read his post did you ...


and you're giving advanced 6 and proto 7 !

If thats so then np, just give the proto tanks better stats and some built in perks

I'd say change module slots

Std 2/5
Adv 3/6
Pro 4/7


Then boost PG and CPU 20%/tier

Also increase speed 5%/tier

Then double cost per tier



Happiness clacheived.

Tanks need to be designed with the fact that everyone in a battle will have proto AV.

The very idea of a traditional proto vehicle revolts me, it would be so unbalanced and would lead to rudiculous levels of qq on the forums, not to mention that it would just turn vehicles into an even more expensive version of that crap called infantry balance. I'd rather see something like halidor proposed, where we get speciluased variants that suffer in other regards, while we get mire generalised variants as the base tanks.

And before that moron takarisho (something like that) blunders in here I would see proto av removed as well (along with everything else proto) and what's left be balanced against the new vehicles.

I'd say change module slots

Std 2/5
Adv 3/6
Pro 4/7


Then boost PG and CPU 20%/tier

Also increase speed 5%/tier

Then double cost per tier



Happiness clacheived.

Tanks need to be designed with the fact that everyone in a battle will have proto AV.

While this sounds fun an interesting, this is a clear definition of pay to win. The original intent of the developers was to create a risk vs reward scenario to balance the tiered dropsuits and vehicle frames, its clear however that this does not work. These changes cannot happen, or the game will just end up in a worse position than it is now.

However, creating new variants down the road. Like a behemoth class tank with 4/7 module slots, but requires 2-3 people to operate it can be an interesting addition to the field. They can be the titans of Dust and require the coordination of multiple vehicle drivers, yet be a completely terrifying presence on the battlefield as a result.

WoT is THAT way --------->

WoT is THAT way --------->

Rather than seeing proto tanks, I'd like to see tech 3 tanks. Tech 3 tanks have roughly 15% less base health than standard tanks, but they gain a subsystem slot. The subsystem slot determines the skill bonus the tank provides, ex. 5% bonus to shield module efficacy per level, 3% bonus to turret damage per level, etc. This makes proto tanks far more malleable than standard tanks, although they will be slightly less useful in general areas when compared to a standard tank.

Firstly, lets all be on the same page with the deffinition of proto: the highest level of gear openly avaliable to the player; gear earned reaching max level skills; the highest tier items avaliable on the market; end game status

Additionally, we have to use "the current environment" to prove people wrong.
So, it is apparent in this current environment that vehicals and dropsuits alike receive more slots and fitting when they advance through the tiers. So, it would be logical to give an adv caldari tank 6 highs and 3 lows because the standard caldari tank has 5 highs and 2 lows. Mirrior the same advancements for the armor tanks and give both more fitting and bam! Thats an advanced tank. From there, follow the same procedure for the proto tank, escalating their builds to be a true proto tank.

In this envirnment of progression, skills often give additional benifits in additon to unlocking gear, like mass driver operation unlocks more massdriver variants and gives a 5% increase to explosion radius per level. So, the skill that unlocks the tiers of tanks could give a +5 to 10% shield/armor tottal HP per level, respectfully. Or +5 to 10% PG/cpu bonus, or speed, or additional resist, what have you, or any combination of these bonuses like the current enforcers have.

This way, tanks become much, much more powerful throughout the tiers so they can compete with proto AV.
Giving proto tanks 7/5 respectfully would be okay because infantry will still be able to handle them, many AV specialist have proficientcy 5, double/triple damage modded proto AV, the maximum amount of punishment possible in dust and they travel Yooo together in squads. They can handle a tank no problem and by the time we actually do get our proto tanks, many dozens of hundreds more players will be doing the absolute maximum amount of damage possible in dust

However, this is only staying in the "current envirnment" and advancing through the tiers using the fitting methid, increasing slots and fitting stats. But! There is another equally effective way withiut using too many slots. Instead, you can model proto tanks the same way the adv tanks were in chrome, improving base stats over the under tier. for Exmaple the sagaris. It had more speed, fitting, shields, sheild regen and was faster than the gunlogi, its stats were significantly brighter than the gunlogi and was significantly more effective dispite only having the advantage of one additional low slot over the gunlogi. So, you could bump the base stats significantly to make a prot tank, give the skills like x per level, have an additional 3 or 4k shields, built in resist, a built in heavy rep or active residt that you can use in addition to how you fit your slots, ect

More poison for the masses I see, better just give everyone badass everything cause it's a fact it's all proto

The very idea of a traditional proto vehicle revolts me, it would be so unbalanced and would lead to rudiculous levels of qq on the forums, not to mention that it would just turn vehicles into an even more expensive version of that crap called infantry balance. I'd rather see something like halidor proposed, where we get speciluased variants that suffer in other regards, while we get mire generalised variants as the base tanks.

And before that moron takarisho (something like that) blunders in here I would see proto av removed as well (along with everything else proto) and what's left be balanced against the new vehicles.

The original intent of the developers was to create a risk vs reward scenario to balance the tiered dropsuits and vehicle frames, its clear however that this does not work.