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Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 489	Posted - 2013.08.26 17:11:00 - [1] - Quote Point me towards any other game that has player-operated vehicles that doesn't allow you to run over other players. Any other game. And furthermore, I danced around *2 LAVs* yesterday that were trying to run me over, in a Gallente suit. I'm a tank driver, and I'm a smarter infantryman than apparently a lot of other people. You're doing it wrong.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 225	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:05:00 - [2] - Quote And you didn't feel silly for doing something silly? The issue here is that LLAVs are, if fitted correctly, next to indestructible by current AV weapons. They aren't even that effective at killing people - usually someone with an AR scores much better than the inevitable LLAV driver. However they are annoying in that they can't be destroyed. So running in circles around LAVs doesn't solve the problem.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 441	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:15:00 - [3] - Quote Point me to any other game where the 'jeep' vehicles were widely used to ram into people as a primary weapon. I've been caught dancing around multiple LAVs in matches and end up getting away. The thing that's so bad about it is that you're stuck, unable to shoot the player out, unable to get to cover since a lot of the maps are mostly open field, and unable to blow the ***** thing up because I wasn't running my AV suit at that particular moment. It halts the game, while a guy tries to snag a kill in his indestructible cab. How can you not see an issue with that. In this game.**
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 489	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:17:00 - [4] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Point me to any other game where the 'jeep' vehicles were widely used to ram into people as a primary weapon. Because the hit detection while in those vehicles is much better. The small turrets are basically useless unless it's the small missile against an armor vehicle.
8213 Grade No.2 201	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:27:00 - [5] - Quote so, you've enver died to LAV spam? You're the only one... The biggest problem with LAVs is, they are invisible on the radar, and you can't hear them coming most of the time... Other than that, they are easy kills for a Packed AV nade... except Logi
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 441	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:29:00 - [6] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Nemo Bluntz wrote: Point me to any other game where the 'jeep' vehicles were widely used to ram into people as a primary weapon. Because the hit detection while in those vehicles is much better. The small turrets are basically useless unless it's the small missile against an armor vehicle. So you can't think of another game where this was an issue? So you're whole post is all-in-all pretty useless then? Cool.
Jenza's Pants Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:29:00 - [7] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Point me towards any other game that has player-operated vehicles that doesn't allow you to run over other players. Any other game. And furthermore, I danced around *2 LAVs* yesterday that were trying to run me over, in a Gallente suit. I'm a tank driver, and I'm a smarter infantryman than apparently a lot of other people. You're doing it wrong. Apparently you have a hard time reading. My post simply explains that, due to physics, some damage should also be done to the LAV. Noone is asking to not be able to be run over except for scrubby nubs.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2770	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:30:00 - [8] - Quote Yawn, people keep saying "LLAVs are indestructible" I'm sorry, I think I've got quite a decent fit Charybdis (I get enough rage mail anyways.) and yet it dies in three swarm volleys from smart AVers, the only thing that is broken is the HAV should require the Infantry to think more than the LLAV, but it does not, it's simply "RUSHDATANKANDKILLALLTHETHINGS" whereas you hear "Aw ** theres a LLAV on the field" and people actually sound scared, sad and annoyed all at once. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jenza's Pants Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:33:00 - [9] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Yawn, people keep saying "LLAVs are indestructible" I'm sorry, I think I've got quite a decent fit Charybdis (I get enough rage mail anyways.) and yet it dies in three swarm volleys from smart AVers, the only thing that is broken is the HAV should require the Infantry to think more than the LLAV, but it does not, it's simply "RUSHDATANKANDKILLALLTHETHINGS" whereas you hear "Aw ** theres a LLAV on the field" and people actually sound scared, sad and annoyed all at once. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. crutchness
kanders Sanguis Defense Syndicate 34	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:38:00 - [10] - Quote 8213 wrote: so, you've enver died to LAV spam? You're the only one... The biggest problem with LAVs is, they are invisible on the radar, and you can't hear them coming most of the time... Other than that, they are easy kills for a Packed AV nade... except Logi I totally agree with this. If Vehicles were detectable from further away relative to infantry, it'd be much easier to get out of the way. Scan radius needs a buff overall particularly with the upcoming tacnet changes, but the scan radius for vehicles should be even greater still. Its believable that someone could get within 10-15 meters of you without being detected, but the same can't be said for an armored car moving at full speed. Raise the base scan radius for vehicles up to 30m and you'll eliminate many of the most frustrating LAV deaths.

Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 442	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:38:00 - [11] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Yawn, people keep saying "LLAVs are indestructible" I'm sorry, I think I've got quite a decent fit Charybdis (I get enough rage mail anyways.) and yet it dies in three swarm volleys from smart AVers, That's the shield one, right? If so, calling bull-****. I've given those things a beating with swarms, and they brush it off and drive away. Also, 3 swarms? You stick around long enough to get hit by 3 (which, if what you're saying is true [it isn't])? At the first sign of trouble, basically any LAV with any kind of health can get away from swarms if it survives the first shot (read:most LAVs). Drive behind a hill. Around a corner. Really anywhere that isn't a straight line in an open field and swarms will just bash into whatever. And really, I'd be find with that if they didn't just recharge to come back and just try to run people over some more.
Nguruthos IX Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 1138	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:40:00 - [12] - Quote Most other games don't have your hard earned game money / irl cash on the line when you're in a battle. Sure, its hilarious and fun when you run someone over in Halo. But BS deaths in Dust are a whole different thing.
ugg reset Molon Labe. League of Infamy 367	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:42:00 - [13] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: And you didn't feel silly for doing something silly? The issue here is that LLAVs are, if fitted correctly, next to indestructible by current AV weapons. They aren't even that effective at killing people - usually someone with an AR scores much better than the inevitable LLAV driver. However they are annoying in that they can't be destroyed. So running in circles around LAVs doesn't solve the problem. I disagree. The Limbus is where it needs to be. the cherry on the other hand is a different beast all together. It a similar problem we had with drop ships before we had forge guns, there wasn't anything you could field (save a tank with a rail or blaster if they got in close) that could present an immediate threat to a DS. Forge guns are powerful but they don't have that extra cut that a swarm has to an armor vehicle. my guess is that the Amarr heavy weapon is going to be CCPs version of the splazer something like this would put the cherry in it's place. till then look both ways kids. My car has a scanner so I know where you are before you even know I exist
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 158	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:42:00 - [14] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: And you didn't feel silly for doing something silly? The issue here is that LLAVs are, if fitted correctly, next to indestructible by current AV weapons. They aren't even that effective at killing people - usually someone with an AR scores much better than the inevitable LLAV driver. However they are annoying in that they can't be destroyed. So running in circles around LAVs doesn't solve the problem. Be smarter than them. All they are is after kills, setup a huge minefield and get your squad to dance around in it. Use REs, when they go over them, often times it will do about 1.5-2K damage after resists and will in most cases flip them over. Spam AV grenades and they are done. They aren't that hard to kill, you guys are just doing it wrong.
ugg reset Molon Labe. League of Infamy 367	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:50:00 - [15] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Most other games don't have your hard earned game money / irl cash on the line when you're in a battle. Sure, its hilarious and fun when you run someone over in Halo. But BS deaths in Dust are a whole different thing. or you could except that them moment you brought into the field you lost it. Won't save you any money but it takes the edge of the loss. minus trying out new items in small amounts I don't plan on buying any consumable weapons, mods ect until I can trade that stuff for ISK with other players. If it hurts to much to lose, don't use it
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 164	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:51:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Point me towards any other game that has player-operated vehicles that doesn't allow you to run over other players. Any other game. And furthermore, I danced around *2 LAVs* yesterday that were trying to run me over, in a Gallente suit. I'm a tank driver, and I'm a smarter infantryman than apparently a lot of other people. You're doing it wrong. Yes, it is easy to dance around them, but the issue (that will be fixed soon) is the slow-speed, low-impact one-shots the LAVs do to players. And to counter your other point about other games' LAV-like murder taxi problems, or lack thereof: most other games that offer vehicle services have a limited number of vehicles to use at a given time. I think my favorite vehicle driving experience was the Warthog from Halo. It was a good handling vehicle, easily destroyed, it's turret was a killer, but it was limited. If you got the one or two on your level, you felt special. Skip over to Dust and you've got--in many cases--an unlimited amount of LAVs to keep calling in, over and over, when yours dies. So, it doesn't matter if you suicide your LAVs into battle or not. There's another one waiting for you as soon as you spawn. I'm generally against arbitrary limits to things in games as long as there's a reasonable counter. Here, I think the upcoming swarm launcher changes will make some traction on idiots calling in LAV after LAV, and the speed-to-kill changes will make LAVs tricky to score kills in bumpy terrain. I'm optimistic about how they'll shape out on the 3rd. But just over the weekend a corpmate and I were laughing in a match at how infantry vs. LAV is like a bullfight. You miss their initial charge, and you're probably safe, as long as you think on your feet. I would like to see light weapons do more damage to the driver, though.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 489	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:14:00 - [17] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Nemo Bluntz wrote: Point me to any other game where the 'jeep' vehicles were widely used to ram into people as a primary weapon. Because the hit detection while in those vehicles is much better. The small turrets are basically useless unless it's the small missile against an armor vehicle. So you can't think of another game where this was an issue? So you're whole post is all-in-all pretty useless then? Cool. Uh... I asked other people. I basically did answer the question. Even though I asked the question first.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 489	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:15:00 - [18] - Quote Jenza's Pants wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Yawn, people keep saying "LLAVs are indestructible" I'm sorry, I think I've got quite a decent fit Charybdis (I get enough rage mail anyways.) and yet it dies in three swarm volleys from smart AVers, the only thing that is broken is the HAV should require the Infantry to think more than the LLAV, but it does not, it's simply "RUSHDATANKANDKILLALLTHETHINGS" whereas you hear "Aw ** theres a LLAV on the field" and people actually sound scared, sad and annoyed all at once. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. crutchness 400m tracking crutch, throw crutch nuclear baseballs over walls.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 489	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:21:00 - [19] - Quote 8213 wrote: so, you've enver died to LAV spam? You're the only one... I've died to 'em, but I don't think they're a problem. You're just not trying hard enough to blow them up.
Zero Harpuia WarRavens League of Infamy 696	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:24:00 - [20] - Quote Halo. Warthog can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket or a few AR clips and doesn't regenerate HP. Battlefield. Jeep can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket. MAG. LAV can run people over. It can also be killed by a rocket and a few AR rounds. DUST. LAV can run people over. It is also impossible to kill unless the pilot fucks up. Do YOU see the difference? I do.

Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 489	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:32:00 - [21] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Halo. Warthog can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket or a few AR clips and doesn't regenerate HP. Battlefield. Jeep can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket. MAG. LAV can run people over. It can also be killed by a rocket and a few AR rounds. DUST. LAV can run people over. It is also impossible to kill unless the pilot fucks up. Do YOU see the difference? I do. It's entirely possible to kill. Get on a roof with PRO swarms. Problem solved
Muud Kipz Elevated Technologies 49	Posted - 2013.08.26 19:49:00 - [22] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: And you didn't feel silly for doing something silly? The issue here is that LLAVs are, if fitted correctly, next to indestructible by current AV weapons. They aren't even that effective at killing people - usually someone with an AR scores much better than the inevitable LLAV driver. However they are annoying in that they can't be destroyed. So running in circles around LAVs doesn't solve the problem. Be smarter than them. All they are is after kills, setup a huge minefield and get your squad to dance around in it. Use REs, when they go over them, often times it will do about 1.5-2K damage after resists and will in most cases flip them over. Spam AV grenades and they are done. They aren't that hard to kill, you guys are just doing it wrong. Seriously. This setup almost always leads to a delicious free kill, especially when laid down in any road inside an installation, or under the big central platform area in Line Harvest. Grab any basic logi, REs and prox mines. This will probably run you ~5-10k. Given how much faster vehicles, especially LAVs, drive on roads than while offroading, most players will stick to the "paved" roads 75%+ of the time. Pick any one and lay down this trap. Lay the explosives in a tight, alternating line (prox->RE->prox->RE etc) following the center of a road. When a vehicle runs over either end of the line, all explosives further down the road will explode, which helps compensate for prox mines often being ~.25 seconds slow. Anyway, 3x 750 + 3x1500 = 6750 explosive damage, which is plenty to one-shot a full health LLAV and 99% of tank fits (except a buffer-heavy Gunnlogi).
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 330	Posted - 2013.08.26 21:30:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Halo. Warthog can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket or a few AR clips and doesn't regenerate HP. Battlefield. Jeep can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket. MAG. LAV can run people over. It can also be killed by a rocket and a few AR rounds. DUST. LAV can run people over. It is also impossible to kill unless the pilot fucks up. Do YOU see the difference? I do. It's entirely possible to kill. Get on a roof with PRO swarms. Problem solved Actually this is the "problem" I HAVE to use Pro weaponry to kill Adv vehicle. AV is **** unless its grenades or proto.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 450	Posted - 2013.08.26 21:38:00 - [24] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Halo. Warthog can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket or a few AR clips and doesn't regenerate HP. Battlefield. Jeep can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket. MAG. LAV can run people over. It can also be killed by a rocket and a few AR rounds. DUST. LAV can run people over. It is also impossible to kill unless the pilot fucks up. Do YOU see the difference? I do. It's entirely possible to kill. Get on a roof with PRO swarms. Problem solved So if I'm running around with my AR suit, then an LLAV or two start trying to run me over, alls I have to do is appear on a roof with my shiny 1mil+SP proto swarms to rain down the pain on them? In the meantime? I guess I would just have to dance around in circles, hoping the driver gets bored and leaves long enough for me to get near some kind of lip or ledge I can hop up on to be safe. Sounds like tons of fun.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 223	Posted - 2013.08.26 21:54:00 - [25] - Quote yeah , good thing swarms will come and kill those pesky lavs
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 872	Posted - 2013.08.26 21:56:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Point me towards any other game that has player-operated vehicles that doesn't allow you to run over other players. Any other game. And furthermore, I danced around *2 LAVs* yesterday that were trying to run me over, in a Gallente suit. I'm a tank driver, and I'm a smarter infantryman than apparently a lot of other people. You're doing it wrong. Have you played other fps buddy? it take one RPG shot to end it. or a strong sneeze. LLAV are tougher than most tanks. THAT IS WHY PEOPLE COMPLAIN. I could dodge from here to forever. And then get shot at cause I was to busy dodging. LLAV could laugh at it all they want, cause only THIS GAME HAS THE INDESTRUCTIBLE JEEP. but it takes "team work" to.. I'll cut you off there. Don't use that word on a FPS VET. I've played in many teams. and in many team based FPS (Arma, mag, socom) And in this game, it's used too much as a damn excuse to why the FPS crowd ended up getting gimped. Claws and teeth filed down. put in restraints, and to add insult to injury, the nerds want to gimp us even more IN A LOBBY FPS BY MAKING VEHICLES PRIMARY. So any noob that never touched a fps can pawn those that have.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 223	Posted - 2013.08.26 21:57:00 - [27] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Halo. Warthog can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket or a few AR clips and doesn't regenerate HP. Battlefield. Jeep can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket. MAG. LAV can run people over. It can also be killed by a rocket and a few AR rounds. DUST. LAV can run people over. It is also impossible to kill unless the pilot fucks up. Do YOU see the difference? I do. It's entirely possible to kill. Get on a roof with PRO swarms. Problem solved So if I'm running around with my AR suit, then an LLAV or two start trying to run me over, alls I have to do is appear on a roof with my shiny 1mil+SP proto swarms to rain down the pain on them? In the meantime? I guess I would just have to dance around in circles, hoping the driver gets bored and leaves long enough for me to get near some kind of lip or ledge I can hop up on to be safe. Sounds like tons of fun. you also have to think where you can run around if you go and play in the street , there are ppl that like NFS and GTA
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 223	Posted - 2013.08.26 21:58:00 - [28] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Point me towards any other game that has player-operated vehicles that doesn't allow you to run over other players. Any other game. And furthermore, I danced around *2 LAVs* yesterday that were trying to run me over, in a Gallente suit. I'm a tank driver, and I'm a smarter infantryman than apparently a lot of other people. You're doing it wrong. Have you played other fps buddy? it take one RPG shot to end it. or a strong sneeze. LLAV are tougher than most tanks. THAT IS WHY PEOPLE COMPLAIN. I could dodge from here to forever. And then get shot at cause I was to busy dodging. LLAV could laugh at it all they want, cause only THIS GAME HAS THE INDESTRUCTIBLE JEEP. but it takes "team work" to.. I'll cut you off there. Don't use that word on a FPS VET. I've played in many teams. and in many team based FPS (Arma, mag, socom) And in this game, it's used too much as a damn excuse to why the FPS crowd ended up getting gimped. Claws and teeth filed down. put in restraints, and to add insult to injury, the nerds want to gimp us even more IN A LOBBY FPS BY MAKING VEHICLES PRIMARY. So any noob that never touched a fps can pawn those that have. true , very true , my LLAV has 7000k armor
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 53	Posted - 2013.08.26 22:05:00 - [29] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Point me towards any other game that has player-operated vehicles that doesn't allow you to run over other players. Any other game. And furthermore, I danced around *2 LAVs* yesterday that were trying to run me over, in a Gallente suit. I'm a tank driver, and I'm a smarter infantryman than apparently a lot of other people. You're doing it wrong. This doesn't disprove that the physics are currently all messed up. I've been killed by LAVs at speeds that would hardly hurt my grandma... And my grandma doesn't typically wear highly advanced/futuristic armored suits with self generating shields which can stop bullets. They are fixing the physics (apparently) in 1.4 so I'm not sure why anyone is talking about this.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 491	Posted - 2013.08.26 22:32:00 - [30] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Halo. Warthog can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket or a few AR clips and doesn't regenerate HP. Battlefield. Jeep can run people over. It can also be killed by a single rocket. MAG. LAV can run people over. It can also be killed by a rocket and a few AR rounds. DUST. LAV can run people over. It is also impossible to kill unless the pilot fucks up. Do YOU see the difference? I do. It's entirely possible to kill. Get on a roof with PRO swarms. Problem solved So if I'm running around with my AR suit, then an LLAV or two start trying to run me over, alls I have to do is appear on a roof with my shiny 1mil+SP proto swarms to rain down the pain on them? In the meantime? I guess I would just have to dance around in circles, hoping the driver gets bored and leaves long enough for me to get near some kind of lip or ledge I can hop up on to be safe. Sounds like tons of fun. So you want it easy? You expect people to leave you alone because you want to protostomp on noobs, and that means they can't run you over?



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