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KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:12:00 -
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The accumulated effect of many high qualiy players leaving and an enormeus gap in gear and skill leads to a near total loss of decent PVP action. I have been paying attention to whats been killing me lately, and the number of "cheap deaths" experienced in pub games has reached an all time high.
I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from: - run over by LAV - forge sniped - sniped - random nades
Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon. It makes the game seem somewhat "cheap". It is frustrating to be on a roll, killing left and right, barely making it to cover in time just to get blown up by some A-hole standing on top of some tower. I can remember Tosh from SI taking me out due to superior aim a couple of days ago. I as per usual sent a GG message. The feeling I got there is something I miss, that sense of respect and awe (in lack of a better term) you feel when somebody is out-smarting you or simply takes you down due to superior skill.
In short, death by skilled gameplay is almost gone. I am very much looking foreward to the next patch which I hope will with the strafe speed and collision dammage tweaks and not least the new match making system, put the game back on its track in terms of making it more competitve and I hope more of my future deaths come from player skill, not from some broken mechanic as is mostly the case now.
My montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
62
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:16:00 -
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Not to brag, but does going 32-7 with a Toxin AR and Toxin SMG count as "skilled gameplay"? I would like to think so. |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1063
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:20:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Not to brag, but does going 32-7 with a Toxin AR and Toxin SMG count as "skilled gameplay"? I would like to think so.
Its not about the numbers, those wary and are also very situational. But yes, I'm sure you're all swagged up.
At this point, everyone not driving around or camping on top of something gets my love. |
Yuna Mayn
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:22:00 -
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nerf mass driver! |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1048
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:24:00 -
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How about just use militia gear instead of proto stomping? |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
436
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:26:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from: - run over by LAV - forge sniped - random nades
Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon.
I know that feel.... |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
221
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:27:00 -
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This topic is the most beautiful thing ever posted.
Also any kill count above 20 is pimp.
Im awesome. |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1063
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:30:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:How about just use militia gear instead of proto stomping?
I did run with a cheap enhanced fit for about a week, didn't notice much difference.
Going down to militia will make it hard if not impossible for me to provide the uplinks, scanner, and medkit. I specced into all this support stuff and it'd be a shame to not fill up my suit with all the equipent. |
Cobra CLUTCH79
OVERLORDS OF THE ONI SERPENT
31
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:41:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:How about just use militia gear instead of proto stomping? I did run with a cheap enhanced fit for about a week, didn't notice much difference. Going down to militia will make it hard if not impossible for me to provide the uplinks, scanner, and medkit. I specced into all this support stuff and it'd be a shame to not fill up my suit with all the equipent. proto is overrated.. |
just4u bob
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:00:00 -
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notice how he didn't mention mass driver....... |
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KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1064
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:01:00 -
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just4u bob wrote:notice how he didn't mention mass driver.......
I did that on purpose, we've had enough threads about them lately. |
just4u bob
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:12:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:just4u bob wrote:notice how he didn't mention mass driver....... I did that on purpose, we've had enough threads about them lately.
im just saying its not as easy as everyone thinks, if it was everyone would be using them, I put a lot of time, effort and skill into my mass driver, that's why its so good, a basic un skilled driver is ****, I started putting skill in back before the, flaylock op, the tac op and the hmg op, I used to die a lot until I got used to it, and now because I put the effort in, and its the fotm, I should be penalised, not to take from your thread dude. I know its not about md, just wanted to get my point across I keep getting blown up by rom explosives, are they op, no, they take skill to use properly/ this is war |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1066
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:18:00 -
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just4u bob wrote:KingBabar wrote:just4u bob wrote:notice how he didn't mention mass driver....... I did that on purpose, we've had enough threads about them lately. im just saying its not as easy as everyone thinks, if it was everyone would be using them, I put a lot of time, effort and skill into my mass driver, that's why its so good, a basic un skilled driver is ****, I started putting skill in back before the, flaylock op, the tac op and the hmg op, I used to die a lot until I got used to it, and now because I put the effort in, and its the fotm, I should be penalised, not to take from your thread dude. I know its not about md, just wanted to get my point across I keep getting blown up by rom explosives, are they op, no, they take skill to use properly/ this is war
You are bad and should feel bad. I and many with me have spent SP into AR by the millions. I spent the mere minimum, just enough to unlock the EXO-5 and started to dominate most games with it. If you can't see that the MD needs a tweak there really isn't much I can do for you. |
JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
157
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:19:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:The accumulated effect of many high qualiy players leaving and an enormeus gap in gear and skill leads to a near total loss of decent PVP action. I have been paying attention to whats been killing me lately, and the number of "cheap deaths" experienced in pub games has reached an all time high. I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from: - run over by LAV - forge sniped - sniped - random nades Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon. It makes the game seem somewhat "cheap". It is frustrating to be on a roll, killing left and right, barely making it to cover in time just to get blown up by some A-hole standing on top of some tower. I can remember Tosh from SI taking me out due to superior aim a couple of days ago. I as per usual sent a GG message. The feeling I got there is something I miss, that sense of respect and awe (in lack of a better term) you feel when somebody is out-smarting you or simply takes you down due to superior skill. In short, death by skilled gameplay is almost gone. I am very much looking foreward to the next patch which I hope will with the strafe speed and collision dammage tweaks and not least the new match making system, put the game back on its track in terms of making it more competitve and I hope more of my future deaths come from player skill, not from some broken mechanic as is mostly the case now. And when I usually get into a good 1v1 situation with who I thought were decent players (recognized players on top of the leaderboards and good corp members) usually the first thing they do is throw a grenade...we couldn't just have a good gunfight?
My montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo
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Chris F2112
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
338
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:23:00 -
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In this game it's better to just avoid the good players on the other team and pick on the weak. You make way more ISK that way. Not that I do it, but I can see why people would. |
hows mydriving whocares
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:31:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:just4u bob wrote:KingBabar wrote:just4u bob wrote:notice how he didn't mention mass driver....... I did that on purpose, we've had enough threads about them lately. im just saying its not as easy as everyone thinks, if it was everyone would be using them, I put a lot of time, effort and skill into my mass driver, that's why its so good, a basic un skilled driver is ****, I started putting skill in back before the, flaylock op, the tac op and the hmg op, I used to die a lot until I got used to it, and now because I put the effort in, and its the fotm, I should be penalised, not to take from your thread dude. I know its not about md, just wanted to get my point across I keep getting blown up by rom explosives, are they op, no, they take skill to use properly/ this is war You are bad and should feel bad. I and many with me have spent SP into AR by the millions. I spent the mere minimum, just enough to unlock the EXO-5 and started to dominate most games with it. If you can't see that the MD needs a tweak there really isn't much I can do for you.
I agree with bob, I killed all the time by md, but its my own fault iv been told, iv only been playing a month or so and put all my focus on weapon skills instead of shield and armor, I die a lot, my squad doesn't, 2 guys v 1 md wins everytime, this is war, and much like real life, there is an arms race going on in game, every one wants the latest teck or update, just like war, if you jumped on the band wagon, shame on you. if you have been doing it for some time, I feel sorry for you,much like I did for hmg, |
Extraneus Tenebrarum
THE BOSSES
29
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:35:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:just4u bob wrote:KingBabar wrote:just4u bob wrote:notice how he didn't mention mass driver....... I did that on purpose, we've had enough threads about them lately. im just saying its not as easy as everyone thinks, if it was everyone would be using them, I put a lot of time, effort and skill into my mass driver, that's why its so good, a basic un skilled driver is ****, I started putting skill in back before the, flaylock op, the tac op and the hmg op, I used to die a lot until I got used to it, and now because I put the effort in, and its the fotm, I should be penalised, not to take from your thread dude. I know its not about md, just wanted to get my point across I keep getting blown up by rom explosives, are they op, no, they take skill to use properly/ this is war You are bad and should feel bad. I and many with me have spent SP into AR by the millions. I spent the mere minimum, just enough to unlock the EXO-5 and started to dominate most games with it. If you can't see that the MD needs a tweak there really isn't much I can do for you.
I dont think the player count gets that high... |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:42:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:The accumulated effect of many high qualiy players leaving and an enormeus gap in gear and skill leads to a near total loss of decent PVP action. I have been paying attention to whats been killing me lately, and the number of "cheap deaths" experienced in pub games has reached an all time high. I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from: - run over by LAV - forge sniped - sniped - random nades Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon. It makes the game seem somewhat "cheap". It is frustrating to be on a roll, killing left and right, barely making it to cover in time just to get blown up by some A-hole standing on top of some tower. I can remember Tosh from SI taking me out due to superior aim a couple of days ago. I as per usual sent a GG message. The feeling I got there is something I miss, that sense of respect and awe (in lack of a better term) you feel when somebody is out-smarting you or simply takes you down due to superior skill. In short, death by skilled gameplay is almost gone. I am very much looking foreward to the next patch which I hope will with the strafe speed and collision dammage tweaks and not least the new match making system, put the game back on its track in terms of making it more competitve and I hope more of my future deaths come from player skill, not from some broken mechanic as is mostly the case now.
My montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo
Unfortunatley this just shows problems with the AR, the majority of the time you spent hip firing, however I might need to get my hands on some if those grenades!! |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1069
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:20:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:KingBabar wrote:The accumulated effect of many high qualiy players leaving and an enormeus gap in gear and skill leads to a near total loss of decent PVP action. I have been paying attention to whats been killing me lately, and the number of "cheap deaths" experienced in pub games has reached an all time high. I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from: - run over by LAV - forge sniped - sniped - random nades Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon. It makes the game seem somewhat "cheap". It is frustrating to be on a roll, killing left and right, barely making it to cover in time just to get blown up by some A-hole standing on top of some tower. I can remember Tosh from SI taking me out due to superior aim a couple of days ago. I as per usual sent a GG message. The feeling I got there is something I miss, that sense of respect and awe (in lack of a better term) you feel when somebody is out-smarting you or simply takes you down due to superior skill. In short, death by skilled gameplay is almost gone. I am very much looking foreward to the next patch which I hope will with the strafe speed and collision dammage tweaks and not least the new match making system, put the game back on its track in terms of making it more competitve and I hope more of my future deaths come from player skill, not from some broken mechanic as is mostly the case now.
My montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo Unfortunatley this just shows problems with the AR, the majority of the time you spent hip firing, however I might need to get my hands on some if those grenades!!
I use ADS most of the time.... And what problem do you refer too?
Once you go down the path of the dark side with a nade in hand, forever will it dominate your destiny.... |
TunRa
Gravity Prone EoN.
77
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:23:00 -
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Cheap deaths? Ohh wait this isn't a AR nerf thread...Anyways I wonder what's wrong with you because the only thing that kills me is ARs. |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
616
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:24:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Not to brag, but does going 32-7 with a Toxin AR and Toxin SMG count as "skilled gameplay"? I would like to think so.
^ this guy is skilled, ive seen it myself. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
616
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:28:00 -
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just4u bob wrote:KingBabar wrote:just4u bob wrote:notice how he didn't mention mass driver....... I did that on purpose, we've had enough threads about them lately. im just saying its not as easy as everyone thinks, if it was everyone would be using them, I put a lot of time, effort and skill into my mass driver, that's why its so good, a basic un skilled driver is ****, I started putting skill in back before the, flaylock op, the tac op and the hmg op, I used to die a lot until I got used to it, and now because I put the effort in, and its the fotm, I should be penalised, not to take from your thread dude. I know its not about md, just wanted to get my point across I keep getting blown up by rom explosives, are they op, no, they take skill to use properly/ this is war
actually they are as easy as everyone thinks... im in a training corp, i.e. lots of new berries and I have seen them put one point in MD and double their kill count and increase their survivability. I have also seen players who are already skilled put one point into MDs and laugh hysterically as everything becomes easy mode....not saying you cant use them skillfully, but its like riding a bike with training wheels on, it just makes it harder to fall over but not impossible. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
204
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:29:00 -
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What server do you play in? |
Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
46
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:30:00 -
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im not complaining but how can you make a thread about getting killed by anything other than a light weapon when you love chucking nades at people, or was that the point? |
RevoItZ
Red Star. EoN.
203
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:31:00 -
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I miss the old Chromosome days, public games stacked with AR/LR/HMG, lots of fun gun games to be had! Now its just LAV's/MD/SPAWN deaths :(
Its nice to see the original AR beasts still using the AR :)
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Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
351
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:40:00 -
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LAVs are still by far my biggest complaint as far as cheap deaths. Not the full speed ones, the low-speed bump insta-kill ones. Forge guns now and again and sniper fire here and there but not enough to complain about. I do miss the old grenade imaging from Chromo where they werent invisible most of the time like they are now.
Off Topic: Im wondering how the improvements to aim and hit detection will balance out the Scrambler and TAC AR.
I tested out the TAC the other day and did pretty decent (18-3 or such) but I am still noticing a lot of issues with hit detection with it. That, combined with the lower clip size makes it a little rough. With better hit detection I think it will go back to being my weapon of choice. If that gets fixed, I dont think MDs should be changed. I am for buffing things, not nerfing. |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1070
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:19:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:im not complaining but how can you make a thread about getting killed by anything other than a light weapon when you love chucking nades at people, or was that the point?
No it wasn't.
I get lots and lots of kills with the AR. I just almost never dies to it myself, in pub games that is. |
Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
46
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:41:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:im not complaining but how can you make a thread about getting killed by anything other than a light weapon when you love chucking nades at people, or was that the point? No it wasn't. I get lots and lots of kills with the AR. I just almost never dies to it myself, in pub games that is.
but you do like chucking nades at people aye? |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1071
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Posted - 2013.08.25 18:03:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:KingBabar wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:im not complaining but how can you make a thread about getting killed by anything other than a light weapon when you love chucking nades at people, or was that the point? No it wasn't. I get lots and lots of kills with the AR. I just almost never dies to it myself, in pub games that is. but you do like chucking nades at people aye?
Yes, obviously. Been cooking them since early Beta.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.08.25 18:25:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:KingBabar wrote:The accumulated effect of many high qualiy players leaving and an enormeus gap in gear and skill leads to a near total loss of decent PVP action. I have been paying attention to whats been killing me lately, and the number of "cheap deaths" experienced in pub games has reached an all time high. I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from: - run over by LAV - forge sniped - sniped - random nades Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon. It makes the game seem somewhat "cheap". It is frustrating to be on a roll, killing left and right, barely making it to cover in time just to get blown up by some A-hole standing on top of some tower. I can remember Tosh from SI taking me out due to superior aim a couple of days ago. I as per usual sent a GG message. The feeling I got there is something I miss, that sense of respect and awe (in lack of a better term) you feel when somebody is out-smarting you or simply takes you down due to superior skill. In short, death by skilled gameplay is almost gone. I am very much looking foreward to the next patch which I hope will with the strafe speed and collision dammage tweaks and not least the new match making system, put the game back on its track in terms of making it more competitve and I hope more of my future deaths come from player skill, not from some broken mechanic as is mostly the case now.
My montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo Unfortunatley this just shows problems with the AR, the majority of the time you spent hip firing, however I might need to get my hands on some if those grenades!! I use ADS most of the time.... And what problem do you refer too? Once you go down the path of the dark side with a nade in hand, forever will it dominate your destiny....
While I have no problem with your kills, or your thread (some of the mostly llav are cheap (not yours I know)) my problem shows that the AR sometimes is just a little to effective, but this such that other weapons need a buff, before you loose it.
Also it shows a lot of people mindset based on cod of, whoever shoots first wins!!
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