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KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:12:00 -
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The accumulated effect of many high qualiy players leaving and an enormeus gap in gear and skill leads to a near total loss of decent PVP action. I have been paying attention to whats been killing me lately, and the number of "cheap deaths" experienced in pub games has reached an all time high.
I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from:
- run over by LAV
- forge sniped
- sniped
- random nades
Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon. It makes the game seem somewhat "cheap". It is frustrating to be on a roll, killing left and right, barely making it to cover in time just to get blown up by some A-hole standing on top of some tower. I can remember Tosh from SI taking me out due to superior aim a couple of days ago. I as per usual sent a GG message. The feeling I got there is something I miss, that sense of respect and awe (in lack of a better term) you feel when somebody is out-smarting you or simply takes you down due to superior skill.
In short, death by skilled gameplay is almost gone. I am very much looking foreward to the next patch which I hope will with the strafe speed and collision dammage tweaks and not least the new match making system, put the game back on its track in terms of making it more competitve and I hope more of my future deaths come from player skill, not from some broken mechanic as is mostly the case now.
My montage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:20:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Not to brag, but does going 32-7 with a Toxin AR and Toxin SMG count as "skilled gameplay"?
I would like to think so.
Its not about the numbers, those wary and are also very situational. But yes, I'm sure you're all swagged up.
At this point, everyone not driving around or camping on top of something gets my love. |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:30:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:How about just use militia gear instead of proto stomping?
I did run with a cheap enhanced fit for about a week, didn't notice much difference.
Going down to militia will make it hard if not impossible for me to provide the uplinks, scanner, and medkit. I specced into all this support stuff and it'd be a shame to not fill up my suit with all the equipent. |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:01:00 -
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just4u bob wrote:notice how he didn't mention mass driver.......
I did that on purpose, we've had enough threads about them lately. |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:18:00 -
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just4u bob wrote:KingBabar wrote:just4u bob wrote:notice how he didn't mention mass driver....... I did that on purpose, we've had enough threads about them lately. im just saying its not as easy as everyone thinks, if it was everyone would be using them, I put a lot of time, effort and skill into my mass driver, that's why its so good, a basic un skilled driver is ****, I started putting skill in back before the, flaylock op, the tac op and the hmg op, I used to die a lot until I got used to it, and now because I put the effort in, and its the fotm, I should be penalised, not to take from your thread dude. I know its not about md, just wanted to get my point across I keep getting blown up by rom explosives, are they op, no, they take skill to use properly/ this is war
You are bad and should feel bad. I and many with me have spent SP into AR by the millions. I spent the mere minimum, just enough to unlock the EXO-5 and started to dominate most games with it. If you can't see that the MD needs a tweak there really isn't much I can do for you. |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:20:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:KingBabar wrote:The accumulated effect of many high qualiy players leaving and an enormeus gap in gear and skill leads to a near total loss of decent PVP action. I have been paying attention to whats been killing me lately, and the number of "cheap deaths" experienced in pub games has reached an all time high. I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from: - run over by LAV - forge sniped - sniped - random nades Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon. It makes the game seem somewhat "cheap". It is frustrating to be on a roll, killing left and right, barely making it to cover in time just to get blown up by some A-hole standing on top of some tower. I can remember Tosh from SI taking me out due to superior aim a couple of days ago. I as per usual sent a GG message. The feeling I got there is something I miss, that sense of respect and awe (in lack of a better term) you feel when somebody is out-smarting you or simply takes you down due to superior skill. In short, death by skilled gameplay is almost gone. I am very much looking foreward to the next patch which I hope will with the strafe speed and collision dammage tweaks and not least the new match making system, put the game back on its track in terms of making it more competitve and I hope more of my future deaths come from player skill, not from some broken mechanic as is mostly the case now.
My montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo Unfortunatley this just shows problems with the AR, the majority of the time you spent hip firing, however I might need to get my hands on some if those grenades!!
I use ADS most of the time.... And what problem do you refer too?
Once you go down the path of the dark side with a nade in hand, forever will it dominate your destiny.... |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:19:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:im not complaining but how can you make a thread about getting killed by anything other than a light weapon when you love chucking nades at people, or was that the point?
No it wasn't.
I get lots and lots of kills with the AR. I just almost never dies to it myself, in pub games that is. |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 18:03:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:KingBabar wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:im not complaining but how can you make a thread about getting killed by anything other than a light weapon when you love chucking nades at people, or was that the point? No it wasn't. I get lots and lots of kills with the AR. I just almost never dies to it myself, in pub games that is. but you do like chucking nades at people aye?
Yes, obviously. Been cooking them since early Beta.
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KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 19:27:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:KingBabar wrote:The accumulated effect of many high qualiy players leaving and an enormeus gap in gear and skill leads to a near total loss of decent PVP action. I have been paying attention to whats been killing me lately, and the number of "cheap deaths" experienced in pub games has reached an all time high.
I estimate that over 90% of my deaths are from:
- run over by LAV
- forge sniped
- sniped
- random nades
Unless there is a blob or my own stupidity involved, I hardly ever die to a light weapon. It makes the game seem somewhat "cheap". It is frustrating to be on a roll, killing left and right, barely making it to cover in time just to get blown up by some A-hole standing on top of some tower. I can remember Tosh from SI taking me out due to superior aim a couple of days ago. I as per usual sent a GG message. The feeling I got there is something I miss, that sense of respect and awe (in lack of a better term) you feel when somebody is out-smarting you or simply takes you down due to superior skill.
In short, death by skilled gameplay is almost gone. I am very much looking foreward to the next patch which I hope will with the strafe speed and collision dammage tweaks and not least the new match making system, put the game back on its track in terms of making it more competitve and I hope more of my future deaths come from player skill, not from some broken mechanic as is mostly the case now. This is very easy to explain... Once you reach the top of the skill and gear curve, you will rarely die in an even fight. Most people die a lot from ARs (after all, that's what you get most your kills from, right?), but once you get good enough, it happens rarely. The "cheap deaths" you describe are the only way for beginning players to take you down. It may feel stupid, but imagine how frustrating it would be for those players if they had no chance to take you down whatsoever. This is not a situation that CCP can or even should fix completely. We'll always need these cheap ways to day so everyone can enjoy the game no matter their skill or gear level. This is just something we need to remember, whenever it happens to us and makes us want to bash our heads in. I am willing to bet that despite everything, you do very well in your games. The important thing is that "cheap kills" do not become the most efficient way of playing. That's why flaylocks had to be nerfed, murder taxis are going to be nerfed, and weapons like the MD need to be looked at very carefully. But ultimately, the cheap kills are always going to be a part of the game, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
+1
Very well writen, and I agree.
Its not about the cheap deaths in itself, its the share number of hem.
Most likely it will get better after 1.4. |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 21:14:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:That has got the be the worst videi I have seen since Mark's RE spam vid. What's funny is you are just as proud of it as he was, thinking it actually takes skill.
How can you call anything OP or 'cheap' when you just posted a montage of using the most OP and cheap weapon in the game, the grenade.. really, a MD takes more skill.
I've already made a thread about it, the nades are currenly OP. Hit detection might balance it out.
MD does not take more skill, I've used it over a hundred hours.
No matter what you say, I'm fairly sure my nade game is among the very best in Dust.
The montage, like it or not, I merely hope that it was entertaining and fun to watch. The editing isn't bad...
The vid was not supposed to be a linked to this thread, merely a sig. |
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KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.25 23:01:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:KingBabar wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Not to brag, but does going 32-7 with a Toxin AR and Toxin SMG count as "skilled gameplay"?
I would like to think so. Its not about the numbers, those wary and are also very situational. But yes, I'm sure you're all swagged up. At this point, everyone not driving around or camping on top of something gets my love. Wait, so if you're a pilot, you get no love? That's lame.
"driving around" as in LLAV just going for roadkills all round, every fking round. |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.25 23:03:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:KingBabar wrote:P14GU3 wrote:That has got the be the worst videi I have seen since Mark's RE spam vid. What's funny is you are just as proud of it as he was, thinking it actually takes skill.
How can you call anything OP or 'cheap' when you just posted a montage of using the most OP and cheap weapon in the game, the grenade.. really, a MD takes more skill. I've already made a thread about it, the nades are currenly OP. Hit detection might balance it out. MD does not take more skill, I've used it over a hundred hours. No matter what you say, I'm fairly sure my nade game is among the very best in Dust. The montage, like it or not, I merely hope that it was entertaining and fun to watch. The editing isn't bad... The vid was not supposed to be a linked to this thread, merely a sig. Right.. cus landing 5 shots in 5 seconds with MD is easier than cooking a grenade for 3 and throwing it at an unsuspecting target... I just did an ambush that looked like your whole montage, standing on a hive. really not that hard.
You need 5 MD shots for what?
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KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.26 16:01:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Let's start the Babar hunting event. Everyone one will post images of killing Babar should they be able to capture it. We just need him to tell us what server he is in, etc.
Thats a brilliant idea. I'm not very hard to kill, small amount of HP compared to the suits potential, I like my gadgets... |
KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.08.26 16:13:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:KingBabar wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Let's start the Babar hunting event. Everyone one will post images of killing Babar should they be able to capture it. We just need him to tell us what server he is in, etc. Thats a brilliant idea. I'm not very hard to kill, small amount of HP compared to the suits potential, I like my gadgets... Alright just tell us which server you usually hang out in so we can hunt you down 
I'm on EU servers, normally on from about now and + 6 hours.... |
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