DUST Search - Why are we waiting on CCP?

8213 wrote:

CCP,
Why should we wait for your game to be "finished" over the next few years? What incentive is there to wait for a game to be completed when we already have many -and many more to come- finished working products to choose from? Isn't feasible that by completion time, larger developers with more resources will have already eclipsed your vision and capabilities?

I would very much like to know the answer to why I should wait around for DUST 514? Why I should put up with it not working on remote playable level with any kind of majority consistency?

Why?

1.4 is not going to solve anything, and the hundreds of updates will not solve the general problems that have been birthed by this project mismanagement. I can only assume that 1.4 will only add to the broken mechanics of the game, seeing is how the game cannot function on a consistent level of playablity the way it is now. I fear that better titles are available to me, and I really do predict that 1.4 will just result in an uninstall from my system.

I really am losing all incentive to play this game. Basically, it's driven by a grind to obtain SP and build a character that doesn't function in a malfunctioning game.

Why? Why are we waiting for you? Why can't we just come back a few years down the road when the game is finished? Why should we be strung along on this rocky road with you?

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8213 Grade No.2 179	Posted - 2013.08.24 18:37:00 - [1] - Quote CCP, Why should we wait for your game to be "finished" over the next few years? What incentive is there to wait for a game to be completed when we already have many -and many more to come- finished working products to choose from? Isn't feasible that by completion time, larger developers with more resources will have already eclipsed your vision and capabilities? I would very much like to know the answer to why I should wait around for DUST 514? Why I should put up with it not working on remote playable level with any kind of majority consistency? Why? 1.4 is not going to solve anything, and the hundreds of updates will not solve the general problems that have been birthed by this project mismanagement. I can only assume that 1.4 will only add to the broken mechanics of the game, seeing is how the game cannot function on a consistent level of playablity the way it is now. I fear that better titles are available to me, and I really do predict that 1.4 will just result in an uninstall from my system. I really am losing all incentive to play this game. Basically, it's driven by a grind to obtain SP and build a character that doesn't function in a malfunctioning game. Why? Why are we waiting for you? Why can't we just come back a few years down the road when the game is finished? Why should we be strung along on this rocky road with you?
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 288	Posted - 2013.08.24 18:42:00 - [2] - Quote Leave then. Stop sh*ting up the forums with this crap, and give me all your Isk on the way out. I'm tired of the constant drone of bitchin an whining nothing constructive, rarely any thing positive shut up already. Oh and don't forget to give me your stuff k
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 470	Posted - 2013.08.24 19:12:00 - [3] - Quote well you can either wait or not, its up to you. CCP isnt going to have a personal conversation with every player who talks about leaving to try to convince them to stay. you clearly want to stay, people who want to leave dont announce it, they just uninstall and go. becuase they have no atachment to it. its the attachment that keeps you playing.
Octavian Vetiver Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 170	Posted - 2013.08.24 19:56:00 - [4] - Quote Sure...you can wait a few years and pay no money for the game. It's also cheaper in the long run since no "AAA" developer is going to make a F2P COD MMO, or BF MMO. You'll continue to fork out the expected 60 dollars+ for each year a new one comes out along with whatever DLCs they decide to come up with before the next one comes out. And no, they haven't. Planetside 2 while good for a bit gets repetitive. There is no meta or reason to win in the game. No one loses anything when they die or lose territory. Nor does anyone gain anything when they do takeover a place. It's the same thing with basically every other FPS that has ever come out. While all those big game companies do break new ground a bit with exploding buildings and skyscrapers in the long run it will mean nothing because it has no effect on the game play itself. You can blow up all the buildings you want and kill all the tanks and other players you wish. And none of it will mean a thing since you can turn right around and fight on that same map all over again.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 541	Posted - 2013.08.24 19:58:00 - [5] - Quote People have waited years in advance for games to come out, at least while we're waiting for this one we can play it as it grows
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3291	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:02:00 - [6] - Quote 8213 wrote: CCP, Why should we wait for your game to be "finished" over the next few years? What incentive is there to wait for a game to be completed when we already have many -and many more to come- finished working products to choose from? Isn't feasible that by completion time, larger developers with more resources will have already eclipsed your vision and capabilities? I would very much like to know the answer to why I should wait around for DUST 514? Why I should put up with it not working on remote playable level with any kind of majority consistency? Why? 1.4 is not going to solve anything, and the hundreds of updates will not solve the general problems that have been birthed by this project mismanagement. I can only assume that 1.4 will only add to the broken mechanics of the game, seeing is how the game cannot function on a consistent level of playablity the way it is now. I fear that better titles are available to me, and I really do predict that 1.4 will just result in an uninstall from my system. I really am losing all incentive to play this game. Basically, it's driven by a grind to obtain SP and build a character that doesn't function in a malfunctioning game. Why? Why are we waiting for you? Why can't we just come back a few years down the road when the game is finished? Why should we be strung along on this rocky road with you? Because I play more than one game at a time, and don't spend ALL MY TIME on just one and then come to the forums complaining about it not being fun enough to keep me playing it ALL THE TIME when I could easily just play some other games now and then and, you know, rotate my play?
BLKDG RoyalSquad514 63	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:16:00 - [7] - Quote Give up Quit Leave Leave your crap behind If you can wait You think the size and scope of eve and dust plus balance can happen all at once You must believe in miracles And unicorns
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 400	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:24:00 - [8] - Quote Love the leave comments........................................... sigh thats another player gone, soon only be you few left .. enjoy.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3729	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:26:00 - [9] - Quote If you want that question to be answered, you're asking the wrong people. Ask the Eve Online players, not CCP. The Eve players have had to wait 10 years to see most of the stuff they were waiting for. And don't give me that "it's because Eve is an MMO" crap. Just like trolls compared Dust as an incomplete game to other first-person shooters like CoD, MAG, Halo, PS2, etc., there were an endless number of people who once compared Eve Online as an incomplete game to Earth & Beyond, World of Warcraft, etc. and many Eve players were not happy about having to wait 5 years for half the stuff to be finished for a game that was already released let alone wait an entire decade. As an Eve player myself I would say that the incentive is the open market that will eventually arrive, the metagame that is encouraged, possibility of connecting more with Eve Online through Dust, the possibility of having our own player-run elections for the future Council of Planetary Management (CPM). But of course, CCP has to put in more effort to make that happen and the current CPM has to keep up the pressure on CCP to make sure things are happening according to the players.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3729	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:27:00 - [10] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Love the leave comments........................................... sigh thats another player gone, soon only be you few left .. enjoy. There are two kinds of players that leave. Those that leave because they just want everything handed to them on a silver platter but it's not happening. And those that leave because of legitimate concerns. It's the latter reason that I worry about.

fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 400	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:34:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: fenrir storm wrote: Love the leave comments........................................... sigh thats another player gone, soon only be you few left .. enjoy. There are two kinds of players that leave. Those that leave because they just want everything handed to them on a silver platter but it's not happening. And those that leave because of legitimate concerns. It's the latter reason that I worry about. Be that as it may ,this game still needs to hang on to as much of it's player base as possible no matter who they are. When and if it dwindles to a couple of thousand or less, may be people who are quick to spout gtfo will realise, but then again with some I highly doubt it.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 295	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:54:00 - [12] - Quote 8213 wrote: Why can't we just come back a few years down the road when the game is finished? 8213 you can do that. As with Eve Online this game is going to be a waiting game. It's a fact that was never hidden from us. If the game is actually stressing you then it's time to stop playing and find something that will bring you personal enjoyment. Besides waiting on the game doesn't necessarily equate to playing it in the meantime. Every 42 days you get over a million passive skill points. Go forth and play other games. Wait on Dust 2.0 late this or early next year. Laugh like a maniac at all the skill points built up. Roll around naked in them. Heck it was like Christmas the last time I was off the game for nine days (left with about 200k sp saved and passive omegas were running).
8213 Grade No.2 180	Posted - 2013.08.24 21:22:00 - [13] - Quote There is no incentive to play this game. Its just a broken game, that won't last past its competition. EVE took 10 years, but really compare the gaming industry from 10 years ago to now. There is no incentive to win matches, go for high K/D, win ISK (which grows on trees), or to be a better player. Its broken mechanics are sickening. CCP can't even get the basics right. You can't play DUST and have the same experience every time or even half the time, because its just one broken mechanic or player exploit after another. Can this game be completed over night? No, but it will certainly be beyond 10 years in the making (remember, CCP has actually been working on DUST for 4 years and its WAAAAAY behind schedule) Just like how EVE players got strung along, and left the game. DUST players will follow. If EVE is so good, then why doesn't it get played by a bunch of people? How can a game that is so perfect only have a few 1000 players on it? Because: good, or bad, CCP struck out with its playerbase and they got sick and tired of being lied to and strung along with propaganda. The AURUM system in this game makes it more expensive than any AAA title on the market right now. So its not worth the time. I'm a good shooter player, I'm a good DUST player, but I see no reason to continue the game. You want my stuff, my ISK, my whatever? Take it, it won't advance you in any way (especially over the long term) you'll eventually burn through it. Without comparing DUST to other games; on its own, it's not worth playing. I know some players refuse to go back to being a mediocre fish in a large pond, and that's why they stay on DUST. Its also built to addict you to the grind, which also helps with AURUM sales.
Ren Ratner Infinite Raiders 73	Posted - 2013.08.24 21:22:00 - [14] - Quote Here's an idea. You can invent a time machine. Using that time machine, you may go forward in time to a point where you can secure a version of Dust that satisfies you. Here's another idea. You could leave. Go play a game that you enjoy since you've clearly stated in your post that this game will NEVER live up to your standards. Why are you here? Why are you wasting more of your precious life on something that you've found to be so distasteful? Go.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2013.08.24 21:46:00 - [15] - Quote 8213 wrote: CCP, Why should we wait for your game to be "finished" over the next few years? What incentive is there to wait for a game to be completed when we already have many -and many more to come- finished working products to choose from? Isn't feasible that by completion time, larger developers with more resources will have already eclipsed your vision and capabilities? I would very much like to know the answer to why I should wait around for DUST 514? Why I should put up with it not working on remote playable level with any kind of majority consistency? Why? 1.4 is not going to solve anything, and the hundreds of updates will not solve the general problems that have been birthed by this project mismanagement. I can only assume that 1.4 will only add to the broken mechanics of the game, seeing is how the game cannot function on a consistent level of playablity the way it is now. I fear that better titles are available to me, and I really do predict that 1.4 will just result in an uninstall from my system. I really am losing all incentive to play this game. Basically, it's driven by a grind to obtain SP and build a character that doesn't function in a malfunctioning game. Why? Why are we waiting for you? Why can't we just come back a few years down the road when the game is finished? Why should we be strung along on this rocky road with you? Why should you post this comment? Why don't you leave then? If you don't like Dust 514 why don't you make a game yourself?
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.08.24 21:55:00 - [16] - Quote "Cuz diss game is goodee with potenshul!!!" OP is right, we shouldn't have to wait on basic content and mechanics to be implemented when there are things out their that game them right on day one. "They've nevrrr done this beforrr!!" When building a car, you know you need tires, regardless of whether or not you've built a car before. Simple, basic mechanics, things you KNOW have to be there. No reason to wait, good games coming, PS4 coming and PC master race and all that.
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 291	Posted - 2013.08.24 22:15:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: fenrir storm wrote: Love the leave comments........................................... sigh thats another player gone, soon only be you few left .. enjoy. There are two kinds of players that leave. Those that leave because they just want everything handed to them on a silver platter but it's not happening. And those that leave because of legitimate concerns. It's the latter reason that I worry about. I'm interested by what you mean in saying "leaving because of legitimate concerns".
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 56	Posted - 2013.08.24 22:42:00 - [18] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: When building a car, you know you need tires, regardless of whether or not you've built a car before. Simple, basic mechanics, things you KNOW have to be there. Bullsht, I'm building a car that floats on hope and spews rainbows out the exhaust. 8213 wrote:* If EVE is so good, then why doesn't it get played by a bunch of people? How can a game that is so perfect only have a few 1000 players on it? Because: good, or bad, CCP struck out with its playerbase and they got sick and tired of being lied to and strung along with propaganda. EVE has quite a bit more than 'a few 1000 players on it', not to mention that having a lot of players isn't what makes a game great. 'Great' is just as much a matter of personal opinion as it is of public opinion, not to mention accessibility to gamers who more and more want instant gratification and generally hate a challenge. I think that ARMA is an incredible game, far better than any Battlefield or CoD, but it is far less accessible as it is a very difficult game to learn, therefore less enjoyable to a large number of people, meaning fewer players overall. The point is, OP, that in the end, your rant and all the other rants like it, are personal opinion, and you're a damn fool if you somehow feel better for writing it. If you don't like the game, don't play, go do something else. Nobody is asking you to play, or really do anything for that matter. The incentive of playing this game is to have fun. If you don't have fun, then don't play. If you play for any reason besides having fun, you have completely missed the point of video games. Yes, DUST has its issues, many of which I believe were out of CCP's control, but the dev's are trying to work hard and make it better, regardless of what your beliefs on the matter are. However, trying to listen to a community where everyone constantly makes threads about quitting, whining, moaning. ridiculous requests, etc, its a lot like dating a schizophrenic chick. If the forums weren't clogged which crap like your post, and instead filled with insightful, thought-out ideas and suggestions, perhaps the game would be better than it is now.
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2013.08.24 22:51:00 - [19] - Quote I wish you luck, Mr. Dagger. But my point still stands, OP you're onto something with that, there's no reason that we should have to wait for basic things. BASIC. In their 10 year plan we've spent the past...Eh...Year and a half (Counting the Betas here, obviously) trying to get basic things (Balancing, dropsuits, content, controls ) right, I wonder how far behind they'll be on year 2. Think we'll have four game modes by then? Rather than them just trying to copout with a very slightly modified version of a game mode we already have?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3733	Posted - 2013.08.25 01:57:00 - [20] - Quote 8213 wrote: If EVE is so good, then why doesn't it get played by a bunch of people? How can a game that is so perfect only have a few 1000 players on it? Because: good, or bad, CCP struck out with its playerbase and they got sick and tired of being lied to and strung along with propaganda. First, there are tens of thousands of players online at one any given hour and the subscription has grown beyond the population of Iceland, literally. But numbers don't make a great game. Two things make Eve Online so great. 1. Eve Online offers a level of complexity that challenges the players in ways that even draw the attention of real would economists, real world diplomats, accountants, Wallstreet day traders, statisticians, mathematicians, and even university professors who specialize in economic and social studies. Think about that. 2. The community provides so much content in terms of third party software and services (all free) thanks to the public API system. There is also the metagame that the community flourishes on. This fostered a very healthy system that made Eve great.



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