DUST Search - Question for other Dusties and how there corps plan to deal with taxes and probl...

joe29140 wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

joe29140 wrote:

Jack Kittinger wrote:

joe29140 wrote:

...or be forced to play in our blueprint suits and expect to [be] slaughtered on the battlefield...

If you get slaughtered using BPO's then taxes are not your biggest problem imho

I'd like to see you use a BPO against a proto. Or how bout your whole team in a BPO against a team of proto's for a whole week. watch your kdr's and win loss ratio plumit. Especially these next to weeks w/ people going for the challenge winning 21/50 games

All I hear here is you justifying protostomping which does nothing by propagate it.

You're not the solution, you're part of the problem. Stop tunnelvisioning on your stats and worry more about your balance sheet in your wallet.

You must not have proto gear then. Why would the game offer it if they didn't want me to use it. When my own corps taxing me more than I could afford to replunish it thats when I have a problem. besides you're just trolling. read my original posts and answer the sentences that end with ? marks if you have a solution. we all know everyone likes to see their corps stats on the leader boards

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joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.24 15:27:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious as to what other corps are doing and why the devs felt the need to tax both eve and dusties the same rate? What many of our Dust corp members make in isk we often break even or come out ahead in hard fought battles where we loose many proto suits. We had a standard tax where we each donated a million a week, but now people want to implement the new % tax coming in 1.4. Is there a cap on this tax? Why should I pay more in taxes because I play more? Those who play more now have pay more. I now have to play with my friends is what I ask our leadership? It has left our corp devided and many of us plan to walk away from the game. Our Eve players are now taxed at 10% and if our Dusties are asked to pay the same rate 10% we will be broke all the time. We will not be self reliant and will constantly need the corps to reimburse us or be forced to play in our blueprint suits and expect to slaughtered on the battlefield. Everyone was happy with our 1 million dollar a week donation, everyone paid the same amount. Now some of us will be paying over 2 million while others who play just to cap may pay less than 1 million. Does this mean my corps should now pay me back more since I'm paying more? I believe it does. So I ask the Devs, Why set one tax rate for a corp where Eve currency and Dust Currency are not yet the same? It's like apples and oranges. Euro's to American Dollars. I think there should have been a setting for 2 different tax rates before this was released. A 10% tax on an Eve Player currency is not the same as 10% tax on a Dust Player. It will break some of us. And many of us feel that a flat Tax on Dusties would be more fair. I'm also curious as to how other corps are handling these new upcoming changes? I was perfectly content with a flat tax, now because I may have to pay more in a tax because I play more, I may just walk away from the game. Others in this corp feel the same way. So how do other corps plan to address this % tax?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1842	Posted - 2013.08.24 15:31:00 - [2] - Quote Or you know, maybe your corp leader wont be a **** head and set the tax rate to 0% while you guys still make donations at the same level If you consider all the angles this could even be a good thing since it will show who is a money grubbing douche and do you really want to be in a corp with a guy like that in charge?
joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.24 15:33:00 - [3] - Quote I agree, but then how will our corp leader know how to tax the Eve players? He tells me 10% on Eve players is a fair rate. I have no idea as I'm just a Dusty who gets shot in the head a lot. Our corp leader also says he needs a % on Eve players as it is more difficult for him to determine a flat rate for them.
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 339	Posted - 2013.08.24 15:35:00 - [4] - Quote Just leave your Corp and start your own or don't play and just gain passive SP's until this broke game gets fixed.
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 204	Posted - 2013.08.24 15:41:00 - [5] - Quote We are going to follow our sister corps example and refund skill books from the onset. We have many more plans, but as of now are waiting for CCP to flesh out the Corp controls. I think our more successfull event was the Kill-a-Director day, we had 100M allocated as prizes, Im not sure how much went out in total. Point is: We have a plan and can estimate our costs, we will use that to see what our base income will be and throttle the tax such that we do not overtax, nor gimp our operation. Hope that helps. A flat tax is a flat tax. Your income doesn't change - a percentage is given to corp. If Eve generated revenue is greater than Dust generated revenue and your expenses are met, just drop the tax lower.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 652	Posted - 2013.08.24 15:41:00 - [6] - Quote LOL 10k - 20k will per match will break you? Are you playing more than 50-100 games? If not it's a win for you.
Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 42	Posted - 2013.08.24 15:43:00 - [7] - Quote Npc corps have 0% tax so I am personally considering joining an npc Corp because I barely break even in advanced gear.
joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.24 16:27:00 - [8] - Quote Currently I work from home and can easily play over 200 games a week so even at a modest 5% or 10% rate, I and others who do well will be at a large disadvantage because with no cap we will be paying more than the others who cap at 50 games. Skill book reimbursement will be pennies compared to the millions we pay while others who play and do less well only pay thousands
joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.24 16:29:00 - [9] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: LOL 10k - 20k will per match will break you? Are you playing more than 50-100 games? If not it's a win for you. I easily play over 200 games a week Also it's not just about me, what about less skilled corp mates who barely break even?
Jack Kittinger DUST University Ivy League 14	Posted - 2013.08.24 16:30:00 - [10] - Quote joe29140 wrote: ...or be forced to play in our blueprint suits and expect to [be] slaughtered on the battlefield... If you get slaughtered using BPO's then taxes are not your biggest problem imho

joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.24 16:33:00 - [11] - Quote Jack Kittinger wrote: joe29140 wrote: ...or be forced to play in our blueprint suits and expect to [be] slaughtered on the battlefield... If you get slaughtered using BPO's then taxes are not your biggest problem imho I'd like to see you use a BPO against a proto. Or how bout your whole team in a BPO against a team of proto's for a whole week. watch your kdr's and win loss ratio plumit. Especially these next 2 weeks w/ people going for the challenge winning 21/50 games
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 879	Posted - 2013.08.24 16:36:00 - [12] - Quote joe29140 wrote: Jack Kittinger wrote: joe29140 wrote: ...or be forced to play in our blueprint suits and expect to [be] slaughtered on the battlefield... If you get slaughtered using BPO's then taxes are not your biggest problem imho I'd like to see you use a BPO against a proto. Or how bout your whole team in a BPO against a team of proto's for a whole week. watch your kdr's and win loss ratio plumit. Especially these next to weeks w/ people going for the challenge winning 21/50 games All I hear here is you justifying protostomping which does nothing by propagate it. You're not the solution, you're part of the problem. Stop tunnelvisioning on your stats and worry more about your balance sheet in your wallet.
joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.24 16:42:00 - [13] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: joe29140 wrote: Jack Kittinger wrote: joe29140 wrote: ...or be forced to play in our blueprint suits and expect to [be] slaughtered on the battlefield... If you get slaughtered using BPO's then taxes are not your biggest problem imho I'd like to see you use a BPO against a proto. Or how bout your whole team in a BPO against a team of proto's for a whole week. watch your kdr's and win loss ratio plumit. Especially these next to weeks w/ people going for the challenge winning 21/50 games All I hear here is you justifying protostomping which does nothing by propagate it. You're not the solution, you're part of the problem. Stop tunnelvisioning on your stats and worry more about your balance sheet in your wallet. You must not have proto gear then. Why would the game offer it if they didn't want me to use it. When my own corps taxing me more than I could afford to replunish it thats when I have a problem. besides you're just trolling. read my original posts and answer the sentences that end with ? marks if you have a solution. we all know everyone likes to see their corps stats on the leader boards
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 879	Posted - 2013.08.24 16:52:00 - [14] - Quote joe29140 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: joe29140 wrote: Jack Kittinger wrote: joe29140 wrote: ...or be forced to play in our blueprint suits and expect to [be] slaughtered on the battlefield... If you get slaughtered using BPO's then taxes are not your biggest problem imho I'd like to see you use a BPO against a proto. Or how bout your whole team in a BPO against a team of proto's for a whole week. watch your kdr's and win loss ratio plumit. Especially these next to weeks w/ people going for the challenge winning 21/50 games All I hear here is you justifying protostomping which does nothing by propagate it. You're not the solution, you're part of the problem. Stop tunnelvisioning on your stats and worry more about your balance sheet in your wallet. You must not have proto gear then. Why would the game offer it if they didn't want me to use it. When my own corps taxing me more than I could afford to replunish it thats when I have a problem. besides you're just trolling. read my original posts and answer the sentences that end with ? marks if you have a solution. we all know everyone likes to see their corps stats on the leader boards Uh, IDK about you, but I am NOT trolling and I am NOT one of those leaderboard freaks who are constantly checking ****. IDC about stats or trying to prove that I am some elite pixelathlete, I play the game to have fun. I do have proto gear too, I just choose to not use it since I don't want to be part of the protostomping problem. They offer it because they want you to use it-- IN BATTLES THAT HAVE MORE AT STAKE THAN JUST BRAGGING RIGHTS.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 534	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:00:00 - [15] - Quote Tax free weekends buddy is the solution
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 952	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:05:00 - [16] - Quote We are going to have a low tax rate, probably around 5% and we've always helped out guys who get ISK poor.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 952	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:06:00 - [17] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Tax free weekends buddy is the solution I like this idea
R F Gyro Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 473	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:26:00 - [18] - Quote To the OP, are you sure your real problem isn't lack of trust in your corp leadership?
joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.24 23:20:00 - [19] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Tax free weekends buddy is the solution That sounds like a reasonable idea.
joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.24 23:23:00 - [20] - Quote I realise Eve and Dust play in the same sandbox, but I still don't think I disagree that both games should be held accountable for the same tax rate. Eve is Eve and Dust is Dust, why tax both games at the same rate, if many feel each game should be set at different rates and taxed seperately. Anyone else feel this way?

Bubba Salaman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 22	Posted - 2013.08.24 23:35:00 - [21] - Quote Then split up both corps, keep them in the same alliance, and set up each tax separately. This is what a lot of corps such as Subdreddit are doing since we don't have api keys and can't use the same auth service.
joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:10:00 - [22] - Quote Bubba Salaman wrote: Then split up both corps, keep them in the same alliance, and set up each tax separately. This is what a lot of corps such as Subdreddit are doing since we don't have api keys and can't use the same auth service. I also like this idea, it seems very reasonable. Its a bit inconvienent to split corps but it would solve the problem.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 220	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:19:00 - [23] - Quote Major lol at this thread, the 10% tax is good, all the tax goes to the corp wallet, the 10% tax is relative to what you earn per transaction of net profit. Again I'll reiterate, it's relative eg you earn 200k a match then 10% goes to corp which is 20k.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 220	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:21:00 - [24] - Quote Im going to be totally honest, this thread is a complete joke You appear to not understand at all, its all relative.
Jade Hasegawa Intrepidus XI EoN. 60	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:21:00 - [25] - Quote I think the main reason CCP did this: Promote more PC matches, a corp with a lot of ground is going to be making wnough SIK to not need to tax or donate, but a smaller corp may need to tax its members to get into PC matches. My corp is failry secure cash wise but as of yet I have no idea how they intend todo the tax rate, EVE gets a 10% tax but atm donating to th corp is optional as they prefer to give ISK out to helpout broke members rather then take it in from them.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 220	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:23:00 - [26] - Quote My corp handles it like this- tax rate set to 10% so no more donations needed although welcome.
joe29140 Contract Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:25:00 - [27] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Im going to be totally honest, this thread is a complete joke You appear to not understand at all, its all relative. I pay taxes in real life. I don't mind making a donation to the corp that is my choice. I make a donation every week. I don't come on to play a free game only to pay out what I earn without a choice. the idea that you think games should be like real life is the complete joke. I play to escape and have fun, not to live a second life
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 929	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:27:00 - [28] - Quote Personally i will use a Changeable Tax system ... ; - Low Taxes or none taxes in times of peace. - High Taxation in War times. Obviously letting my members know that we are at war, and taxation will be considerably higher.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 220	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:28:00 - [29] - Quote joe29140 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Im going to be totally honest, this thread is a complete joke You appear to not understand at all, its all relative. I pay taxes in real life. I don't mind making a donation to the corp that is my choice. I make a donation every week. I don't come on to play a free game only to pay out what I earn without a choice. the idea that you think games should be like real life is the complete joke. I play to escape and have fun, not to live a second life Nice assumptions idiot, corp tax means you dont have to donate as very small portions get taken away, this all goes towards planetary conquest and more with integration. Gtfo.
joe29140 Contract Hunters 4	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:29:00 - [30] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Major lol at this thread, the 10% tax is good, all the tax goes to the corp wallet, the 10% tax is relative to what you earn per transaction of net profit. Again I'll reiterate, it's relative eg you earn 200k a match then 10% goes to corp which is 20k. Multiply 20K times the 200 games I play a week = 4 million a week right now we are asked to pay 1 million in a flat tax and I pay that Someone else who makes 20K but caps at 60 games =1.2 million a week Why should I pay more because I play more? I have to pay more to play w/ my friends more. It's not just about paying a tax its about the equality of what I pay compared to others.

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 220	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:31:00 - [31] - Quote joe29140 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Major lol at this thread, the 10% tax is good, all the tax goes to the corp wallet, the 10% tax is relative to what you earn per transaction of net profit. Again I'll reiterate, it's relative eg you earn 200k a match then 10% goes to corp which is 20k. Multiply 20K times the 200 games I play a week = 4 million a week right now we are asked to pay 1 million in a flat tax and I pay that Someone else who makes 20K but caps at 60 games =1.2 million a week Why should I pay more because I play more? I have to pay more to play w/ my friends more. It's not just about paying a tax its about the equality of what I pay compared to others. Maybe you should just join an NPC corp then.
joe29140 Contract Hunters 4	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:32:00 - [32] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Personally i will use a Changeable Tax system ... ; - Low Taxes or none taxes in times of peace. - High Taxation in War times. Obviously letting my members know that we are at war, and taxation will be considerably higher. Combining this with separating the Eve and Dust corps would be a good solution also. I can't help but to feel a flat tax is still better than a % tax.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 220	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:35:00 - [33] - Quote joe29140 wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Personally i will use a Changeable Tax system ... ; - Low Taxes or none taxes in times of peace. - High Taxation in War times. Obviously letting my members know that we are at war, and taxation will be considerably higher. Combining this with separating the Eve and Dust corps would be a good solution also. I can't help but to feel a flat tax is still better than a % tax. Why should they be separated, that wouldn't change anything, 10% is 10%, it's relative to earnings, separation won't change anything.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 220	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:38:00 - [34] - Quote The game is working towards integration and the fact you dont you dont understand how the 10% would be relative and whining about a bit of isk is absurd, sorry but I'm I dont sugar coat anytjing
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 220	Posted - 2013.08.25 10:39:00 - [35] - Quote Touchpad typos
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 44	Posted - 2013.08.25 11:41:00 - [36] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Tax free weekends buddy is the solution This is exactly what I would do as CEO. Mercing on the weekends = tax exemption :)
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 889	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:39:00 - [37] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: joe29140 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Major lol at this thread, the 10% tax is good, all the tax goes to the corp wallet, the 10% tax is relative to what you earn per transaction of net profit. Again I'll reiterate, it's relative eg you earn 200k a match then 10% goes to corp which is 20k. Multiply 20K times the 200 games I play a week = 4 million a week right now we are asked to pay 1 million in a flat tax and I pay that Someone else who makes 20K but caps at 60 games =1.2 million a week Why should I pay more because I play more? I have to pay more to play w/ my friends more. It's not just about paying a tax its about the equality of what I pay compared to others. Maybe you should just join an NPC corp then. Yeah, I agree with TechMechMeds.... Joe's gone from justifying protostomping to crying about pixelated currency. Wah, wah, why you take my tax pixels off the top?!?!? Wah, wah, without my tax pixels how will I keep a pixel roof over my pixel children's pixel heads wah wah wah?
Rynoceros Rise of Old Dudes 566	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:46:00 - [38] - Quote Rise of Old Dudes is willing to provide tax shelter for anyone that is me.
DeadlyAztec11 Red Star Jr. EoN. 2008	Posted - 2013.08.25 14:29:00 - [39] - Quote joe29140 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Major lol at this thread, the 10% tax is good, all the tax goes to the corp wallet, the 10% tax is relative to what you earn per transaction of net profit. Again I'll reiterate, it's relative eg you earn 200k a match then 10% goes to corp which is 20k. Multiply 20K times the 200 games I play a week = 4 million a week right now we are asked to pay 1 million in a flat tax and I pay that Someone else who makes 20K but caps at 60 games =1.2 million a week Why should I pay more because I play more? I have to pay more to play w/ my friends more. It's not just about paying a tax its about the equality of what I pay compared to others. You did your math wrong you were suppose to multiply 200k by 200 games, to find your relative total amount of ISK. That gives you 40M ISK, a 10% tax would be asking you for 4M. You'd have to factor in your amount of deaths of deaths and cost per fit, to find the actual number. That said, why don't you just use standard or militia gear more often? I do it all the time and tend to place in the top three of my teams board regularly.


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