Were all f*cked, CCP has lost it. To think i made a post yesterday of how i thought their making progress and how pleased we are with the update of 1.4... so disapointing

I feel sorry for Tanks (since my alt is a tanker), but when 1.4 comes around, I see dropships being completely useless until 1.5. Seems like we are going to be seeing a "Dark Era" for dropship pilots soon, since we all know the time between 1.4 and 1.5 is looking close to a month at the least...

CCP is most certainly going to buff the living crap out of vehicles in 1.5, cause not only have vehicle players been QQing for a while now, they will up their QQ to insane levels once the swarms get changed.

Tank turkeys are getting their proto tanks back in 1.5, so they will once again be an invincible force to reckon with (instead of just being mildly invincible like they are now). And aside from the plasma cannon, AV will likely get a huge nerf in 1.5, and the vehicles will be out of control OP. Heck, proto AV now is really the only effective thing against std tanks (aside from the adv forge, which is about right), we're going to need super-officer AV to replace proto to deal with the proto tank scrubs that will come out of 1.5

Ugh, wish they could have kept proto tanks out for good, as it is still unbalanced in favor of the tanks now, even with our proto AV.

In 1.4, they decided lolrandomAVbuff to swarms for some reason.

lol random? Tell that to the LLAV drivers that go 24-0 because swarms can't deal with them. Haha, "random."

And tanks aren't just dropping left and right to swarms. Use the active modules, don't play like you should be totally invincible, and its easy to get 10+ kills without dying. Just like in almost any dropsuit. Play smart, retreat when needed, you'll be just fine.

Drop ships are a whole other story. They need some kind of flare or something. But I've had them outrun swarms I've shot at them with almost no issue. Its rare to actually take a DS down with swarms.

Seriously. Swarms at this point aren't that good. They have their job, buts its no "win button." This whole bitching about issues that haven't even happened yet is so silly. Especially since the forge gun will still be objectively better in every possible way.

but.... how can he say "we dont know how it will go, you cant tell the future" when they present the math in front of us?
Wait i got it, this is what hes saying:

"Swarm launcher wrecks vehicals. Now swarm launcher shoots faster. You can not assume swarm launcher will wreck vehicals faster because it has not happened yet"

No we can not see the future... but we can do math? Theyve already done math in their dev blog
*Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3
*The Swarm Launcher Operation skill bonus has been changed from increasing the clip size to reducing the lock-on time by 5%
"The proto swarm lock on time is 1.4 now but is buffing to 1.05. Fire interval is 2 seconds but is buffing to .3. How do youknow thats a buff? it dident happen yet... what are you, a future teller or somethen?"

This is a 9th grade math level question. What is so hard about it? CCP is blowing smoke when they say that they are play their own game extensively. You have ZERO time to prevent your tank from being blown apart in those 3.8 seconds. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO CUT IT!!! All I can do is shake my head and wonder who makes these decisions.

lol random? Tell that to the LLAV drivers that go 24-0 because swarms can't deal with them. Haha, "random."

And tanks aren't just dropping left and right to swarms. Use the active modules, don't play like you should be totally invincible, and its easy to get 10+ kills without dying. Just like in almost any dropsuit. Play smart, retreat when needed, you'll be just fine.

Drop ships are a whole other story. They need some kind of flare or something. But I've had them outrun swarms I've shot at them with almost no issue. Its rare to actually take a DS down with swarms.

Seriously. Swarms at this point aren't that good. They have their job, buts its no "win button." This whole bitching about issues that haven't even happened yet is so silly. Especially since the forge gun will still be objectively better in every possible way.

While this does sound like I'm definitely not going to be pulling my vehicles out for the next month, which really sucks for the 8mil sp i have in vehicles, but there are some lights at the end of the tunnel.

First, with the changes to squad/team vision, I foresee vehicles not sticking out and drawing fire as bad as they currently do.

Then future thinking, AV countermeasures, vehicles with signature radii that affect how long a swarm launcher takes to lock on, and modules/skills to modify as needed.

Now how are they going to buff forge/AV nades so that we can get countermeasures to those...?

While this does sound like I'm definitely not going to be pulling my vehicles out for the next month, which really sucks for the 8mil sp i have in vehicles, but there are some lights at the end of the tunnel.

First, with the changes to squad/team vision, I foresee vehicles not sticking out and drawing fire as bad as they currently do.

Then future thinking, AV countermeasures, vehicles with signature radii that affect how long a swarm launcher takes to lock on, and modules/skills to modify as needed.

Now how are they going to buff forge/AV nades so that we can get countermeasures to those...?

Well, this thread has been enlightening.

interesting point, i like the part were the entire enemy team no longer sees your tank whenever a single enemy aims at it, but those countermeasures are 2-5 months away

exmaple......im dissapointed in you. out of all people you should know better than to expect those in half a year. we are too busy making swarms more balanced so those av guys have a fighting chance

Be quiet. You're not a pilot, so you don't understand. I hardly ever see a decent pilot acting like a idiot. More like, fleeing, and still dies, while going from cover to cover for a full 30 seconds or so.

Why doesn't CCP just give a buff to swarm damage to LAVs and leave the damage on HAVs and drop ships the same. The over buffing of LAVs is the only reason I could find that would be reason for an AV buff. HAVs are, from my experience, weak to AV because they are so slow but LAV can easily speed beyond swarms. If they do get his, they have near the same defense of a militia HAV. No LAV should have the capability of possessing nearly the same defense of an HAV.

If HAV's hadn't been nerfed from what they were in Chromosome, I think it would have been ok. I actually enjoyed going after HAV's with squad mates due to the satisfaction of destroying up such a powerful adversary.

CCP, you are horrible at developing Dust.

lol random? Tell that to the LLAV drivers that go 24-0 because swarms can't deal with them. Haha, "random."

And tanks aren't just dropping left and right to swarms. Use the active modules, don't play like you should be totally invincible, and its easy to get 10+ kills without dying. Just like in almost any dropsuit. Play smart, retreat when needed, you'll be just fine.

Drop ships are a whole other story. They need some kind of flare or something. But I've had them outrun swarms I've shot at them with almost no issue. Its rare to actually take a DS down with swarms.

Seriously. Swarms at this point aren't that good. They have their job, buts its no "win button." This whole bitching about issues that haven't even happened yet is so silly. Especially since the forge gun will still be objectively better in every possible way.

You're obviously playing something different.

Just a couple of glaring mistakes in your thread ...

First your OP claims ... "Then, intelligent ppl like this guy above puts in some very analitcal and correct input, and the only response we get from CCP so far is:"
Yet the following statement was quoted in the "guy above"s post, so he was responding to the dev.

Secondly further down you state ... "No we can not see the future... but we can do math?" ... well you'll know what an incomplete equation looks like then ... look again and this time factor in the additional reloads from the reduced clip sizes ... it's easy to see "thats gonna hurt me more" without looking at the complete equation, but I guess you knew that already or you wouldn't have missed it out.

Also have you seen a patch that didn't contain anything that wasn't in the patch notes ... how do you know there's not a slight adjustment to base resists for the different vehicles, just to smooth things over till 1.5 ... have you played 1.4 yet ?

How about "yeah were not getting any proto nuthen for 1.5 or any time soon. There was no mention of new content, just rebalancing what we have" ... again have you seen Patch Notes for 1.5 ? ... has there been mention of there not being new content ? ... then don't make statements like "yeah were not getting any proto nuthen for 1.5 or any time soon." just to rally your cause, cos all it does is discredit your legitimate complaint.

Here's another one ... "interesting point, i like the part were the entire enemy team no longer sees your tank whenever a single enemy aims at it, but those countermeasures are 2-5 months away" ... here's one from the Patch Notes for you ... "Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads)" ... and as to the second part, really, can you link the devblog this was stated in please ?

6 sets of nerfs now in a row, more than 6 nerfs in total more like 15 i bet maybe more

Lets not forget the blast radius is now the entire map