I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun.

I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun.

Another fool that doesn't think things through. Just opens his mouth and YAP YAP YAP.

That is all.

/thread

I think Factional Warfare is getting it in 1.4.

FoxFour said something about a penalty too.

as long as you have dropsuit fittings that costs a lot , FF is not a good ideea

As long as there is a penalty thats enough to put players off the idea of teamkilling and its well though out.

I dont see what the problem is.

Factional Warfare is High Sec after all.

You must be the fool whos skull I blasted. On a further note...didnt you learn respect like before preschool...name calling is frowned upon by most mature people. Yea some guys I tell ya... oh well.

"CCP PUT IN FF"

Instead of

"CCP, I think FF should be implemented. This adds variety in the form of more tactical decisions and gameplay. To counter players looking to grief their team mates by team killing them, I propose the following methods:

[Followed by a discussion with actual numbers that 'mature' (lol) people can discuss]"

That wasn't so hard, was it? But no, I'm sure your ranting is way, way , way above my pre-school levels.

(ranting).. w/e lol..your already called out dude if anyone is going to grief someone its you. And tbh i'd rather not discuss anything with you. Im off to play dust guys have fun.

Anything like this could be awesome. Friendly fire could work it's way into FW as a way to further differentiate it from regular pub matches. Friendly fire in pub matches would suck hard, though.

As long as there is a penalty thats enough to put players off the idea of teamkilling and its well though out.

I dont see what the problem is.

Factional Warfare is High Sec after all.

Anyone who is afraid it would be abused is either planning on abusing it or afraid they'd be a target.

Erm...so there are the potential abusers and potentially abused. Who else is there exactly?

I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun.

What about if friendly fire is stored as stat (only) during the match and acts as a bonus modifier for rewards?
X amount of friendly damage delivered, Y amount of bonus ISK or SP lost at the end of the match.

Not good enough IMO. Anywhere beyond 2 kills on one player then the damages should come directly out of the offenders wallet to compensate the victim. Although this would only be for Highsec public contracts.

The thing I think you all are forgetting is that there are people out their who would play this game solely to grief other player's. Going so far as to willingly put themselves into the negative ISK solely from Concord fines for their teamkilling. Hell even if they were banned they'd just come back on an Alt. Sad to say it but there really are people who would enjoy endless teamkilling much more than they would actually playing to win.

personally, if we had FF in public matches, i would murder my friendly Caldari prototypes , even if i get kicked after 3 TK's id be satisfied that i ruined his OP game

I'm not running from anything, and yes getting on a thread and bad mouthing someone is immature, Grow up dude.

With all the grenade and Mass Driver Spam?

Now way bro! That would totally harsh with people.

bring in FF but flag TK's red.

this would limit the amount of griefing and trolling to be had.

Currently PC has FF and there it is acceptable, the team is usually working towards the same goal.


FF in PUBS? :P only if Team Killers get flagged red to both sides :P ends after a timer, not when you respawn :P


edit:
oh and the timer should be longer than the inactive match boot

If they enable FF in pubs they'll have to punish people for team killing to curb abuse and then the next thing you know we're getting punished because some dingle-berry team member with almost no health runs right into our line of fire. And what if they track it and make it part of the publicly available stats. Now we're forever marked as team killers because of someone else's mistake. Man, fck that noise.

You want to play with FF on all the time, only play PC (and FW if/when they enable it) matches.

Edit: Enabling FF in pubs would completely ruin this game for the majority of players and preventing that is far more important than your precious KDR. Because that's what your post is about; people stealing your kills and messing with your KDR.

I never said FF was about KDR; what I said was OP's post was about his KDR and if you think it isn't you're delusional.

By the way, it's nice how you completely ignored my entire comment before the edit.

Alright, **** the OP and his ridiculous reasoning for wanting FF.

However I ignored your "whole comment before the edit" because IMHO, FF should be in ALL gamemodes, 100% from all sources.

Dust should be "Hardcore" all the way, otherwise CCP is just telling the Dust Merc GABS* rather than HTFU.



*Go Ahead, Be Soft.

I'd like to see if you still feel that way after the first assahat gets a hardon for your proto suit and spends the entire match dedicated to team killing you.

I don't fit proto, not because I can't, because I choose not to, who'd have thunk that was possible?!?!??!?!

Lol, it'll serve the spineless little emo kids who run around in their proto crutches right.

Butthurt much? It's OK, show us on the doll where the big bad proto suit touched you.

Perhaps partial FF - can only drop you to half shields or if you are already below half shields, can only drop you to half armour. Can never be killed by FF, only maimed.

Friendly fire is an interesting mechanic... It does completely change the way you have to play a match and creates interesting strats that aren't viable without it. It also makes OBs more tactical than they are now.

However, putting FF in a match where i'm queueing with strangers? That's the last day I play dust, it would hands down ruin this game. Either people are getting autokicked left and right cause they accidentally grenades some stranger in a MLT suits or people will just kill you for the lulz cause your suit is black colored.

I could totally imagine an assault pissed off the logi isnt repping him and killing him just to teach him a lesson. Or droves of newbs in MLT gear team killing anything they see that looks like it might cost isk or be related to the public perception of FOTM.

No way... FF in pubs would ruin this game.

If you want to play a mode with FF then play in PC.

I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun.

**** PC.

100% FF from all sources in all modes is the way to go.

Quit hiding behind the proto blob and making excuses and man up.

I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun.

I'd like to see if you still feel that way after the first assahat gets a hardon for your proto suit and spends the entire match dedicated to team killing you.

Sorry man, just cause you're not good enough to participate in PC shouldn't mean you are allowed to team kill everyone who does.

I'd like to see if you still feel that way after the first assahat gets a hardon for your proto suit and spends the entire match dedicated to team killing you.

as if that player thinks he's what.. invincible? bring it on... at least i dont have to travel to the enemy teams redlined to get a kill

You can KMA you elitist bastard.

The reason I boycott PC is because it is the Dust equivalent of the Sale of Indulgences. It is a Passive Income faucet that doesn't promote activity, it promotes farming and holding District just to hold them while keeping adversaries at bay with A-teams and bribery (i.e. "selling" Districts).

I notice that you just try to ad hom me while totally accepting my assertion that you hide behind a protoblob and make excuses.

So far, you're the only person who'd be on my KOS list if we get FF.

Why don't you go play a real sport or are you too ******* fat to do anything strenuous for more than five minutes before thinking you're having a coronary?

So here is a question.

What is to stop me from making an alt just purely to run militia suits and TK until I get booted? What is to stop anyone from doing it?

Nothing, quit being a pansy about FF so you can feel safe in your protostomping.

and watch this game die overnight.

There are better ways to address protostomping.

to those with a hardon for the self titled hardcore:

grow up, this isnt about you nor you epeen, this is about the entire playerbase and the very predictable repercussions of allowing FF in pub matches.

You've seen the PS2 bombers at work on the forums?... that is the frame of mind that will ecstatically wallow in the tears of the community as they only join matches to TK and spawn camp. (drop nanohive in an ambush .. feed on tears ...)

If you in any way doubt it, then you need your head checked.

If you think you can counter it, then you will find you and your squad taking your eyes of the match to fight your own team, effectively allowing yourself to get trolled.

The only other option for your so vehemently advocating such an obvious kitten up, would be your plans to TK to the exclusion of the game yourself. I note that you mention a KOS list :P ...


FF in PC, possibly FW, and if we ever get open world, where the only 'team' is corp and alliance.... good luck with TK there :P

grow a brain or use the one you were given...

((lordy its like explaining fingers and food blenders to 3 year olds...))

I dealt with asshats TKing in MAG, I can deal with asshats TKing in Dust.

So long as CCP implemented draconian autoboot requirements (say 1 TK in a Pub and gone, 2 in FW, player limited in the joke faucet) it couldn't be abused to the extent that you are rightfully assuming it would without the benefit of some form of autoboot.

I have no plans to TK anyone (save one elitist asshat), as well as in defense of myself or my corpmates if the autoboot requirement > 1.

Actual risk needs to have a place in Dust, otherwise it gives Eve players more reason to hate Dust since Mercs get carte blanche as far as risk is concerned. Until there is FF in all gamemodes, there will be no real risk in Dust.



Also, that is a really bad analogy, it would've worked if you had said coins and wall sockets (food blenders are generally kept out of reach of small children, coins OTOH have a nasty tendency to be found in the oddest of places and wall sockets are at just the right height for little ones to try inserting things).

I want it because it is what I am used to in shooters (albeit, the watered down FF of MAG).

So here is a question.

What is to stop me from making an alt just purely to run militia suits and TK until I get booted? What is to stop anyone from doing it?

to those with a hardon for the self titled hardcore:

grow up, this isnt about you nor you epeen, this is about the entire playerbase and the very predictable repercussions of allowing FF in pub matches.

You've seen the PS2 bombers at work on the forums?... that is the frame of mind that will ecstatically wallow in the tears of the community as they only join matches to TK and spawn camp. (drop nanohive in an ambush .. feed on tears ...)

If you in any way doubt it, then you need your head checked.

If you think you can counter it, then you will find you and your squad taking your eyes of the match to fight your own team, effectively allowing yourself to get trolled.

The only other option for your so vehemently advocating such an obvious kitten up, would be your plans to TK to the exclusion of the game yourself. I note that you mention a KOS list :P ...


FF in PC, possibly FW, and if we ever get open world, where the only 'team' is corp and alliance.... good luck with TK there :P

grow a brain or use the one you were given...

((lordy its like explaining fingers and food blenders to 3 year olds...))

I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun.

that's nice you enjoy the current trend of nonFF FPS games in the last 6 years where they phased out FF to target a softer audience (in a futile effort to mimic the success of the Wii) but many players managed in games where FF was standard way before MW1

FF is actually good for the community; ppl cant go around on the mic talking smack unless they're willing to back it up so ppl mind their manners more than run their mouths like so common in softcore games that they can hide behind some cheesy "i can't be killed by you" mechanic while talking smack.

when you have a shield to hide behind such as no FF you're free to run your mouth on mic with no repercussions such as a bullet to your head from a teamate.

everyone who's never played an FF game is so "OMG FF WILL DESTROY THE UNITY/COMMUNITY" but it actually improves it.

that's nice you enjoy the current trend of nonFF FPS games in the last 6 years where they phased out FF to target a softer audience (in a futile effort to mimic the success of the Wii) but many players managed in games where FF was standard way before MW1

FF is actually good for the community; ppl cant go around on the mic talking smack unless they're willing to back it up so ppl mind their manners more than run their mouths like so common in softcore games that they can hide behind some cheesy "i can't be killed by you" mechanic while talking smack.

when you have a shield to hide behind such as no FF you're free to run your mouth on mic with no repercussions such as a bullet to your head from a teamate.

everyone who's never played an FF game is so "OMG FF WILL DESTROY THE UNITY/COMMUNITY" but it actually improves it.

why are you upset over someone you can just mute?

how will griefing someone regardless of which team they are on improve the community?

will that allow people (like you) to decide who's allowed to play, because lets not mince words, people with influence don't always use it for "good".

if you say something negative about someone will your corp hunt that person down everytime? regardless of any percieved sleight ...and here again lets not mince words... you are talking about Team Killing over flippant comments over chat, from a person you could just mute.

So if that is your reaction why should you have the power to destroy someones game? you with the moral high ground .... killing someone... over WORDS, that you could turn off....

Lets be frank... all that has nothing to do with teaching people to aim better. Nor about tactics.

What you have described is internet bullying.

If people are allowed to just spam AoE weapons how will we ever know who is really elite?

IDGAF what people say on the mic, I want people to quit being scared little bitches about FF and HTFU.

It is possible to include it in such a way that it will be nigh impossible to grief with it, you know it, I know it, CCP knows it too.

There's just a bunch of whiny scared little bitches here on the forums who are terrified of needing to be more aware and needing to lrn2aim.

EDIT: @CCP can whoever is in charge of the forums software censoring code please upgrade from the lazy man's list of swear words? I'm not evading the profanity filter if I am using correct usage and the profanity filter just isn't catching it.

Hurling insults at literally everyone who disagrees with you...

What a novel way to get the community behind your cause, let me know how that works out for ya.

If people are allowed to just spam AoE weapons how will we ever know who is really elite?

IDGAF what people say on the mic, I want people to quit being scared little bitches about FF and HTFU.

It is possible to include it in such a way that it will be nigh impossible to grief with it, you know it, I know it, CCP knows it too.

There's just a bunch of whiny scared little bitches here on the forums who are terrified of needing to be more aware and needing to lrn2aim.

EDIT: @CCP can whoever is in charge of the forums software censoring code please upgrade from the lazy man's list of swear words? I'm not evading the profanity filter if I am using correct usage and the profanity filter just isn't catching it.

Hurling insults at literally everyone who disagrees with you...

What a novel way to get the community behind your cause, let me know how that works out for ya.

friendly fire would kill this game.

the explosive spam which people are used to won't go away.

the game would be a complete mess.

@Billi Gene
On closer examination, I wanted to mention that I find it laughably absurd how you try to draw a correlation between changing some pixels (really all that would be happening) and the actual effects that internet bullying can have. If you can't take being "griefed" by being shot in an FPS then do you really think that FPS is the game for you?

Sensibly implemented, FF would make griefing with TKing (what you are so obviously afraid of) more of an annoyance than an enjoyable behavior. Make the penalty for FF kills be something that autoboots you after X amount of ISK destroyed and locks you out of that game mode for Y number of seconds (where Y is the total value destroyed with FF). If you don't TK enough value to autoboot you can finish out your match, though afterwards will be locked out for the appropriate length of time. This will allow it to act as a hammer to punish the blatant griefer as well as a switch with which to dissuade indiscretion.

Example 1): If the autoboot amount is 500k and TK Forgegunner laughs maniacally while drilling your 1.847896m ISK HAV into smoldering wreckage with his AFG, TK Forgegunner is autobooted and is locked out of Skirmish for 1.847896m seconds (aka 3 weeks).
Example 2): Same autoboot amount, same match, Imprecise Idiot chews through 375k in FF kills over the course of the match due to his "spray and pray" tendencies and liberal use of explosive weapons too close to teammates. He is allowed to remain in the match for the duration, though once over, he is locked out of Skirmish for 375k seconds (or 4 days and 8 hours). Hopefully (in Ambush or One and Only) he'll have learned to aim a little better and how better to choose when to throw the grenade and when to shoot face.

I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun.

why are you upset over someone you can just mute?

how will griefing someone regardless of which team they are on improve the community?

will that allow people (like you) to decide who's allowed to play, because lets not mince words, people with influence don't always use it for "good".

if you say something negative about someone will your corp hunt that person down everytime? regardless of any percieved sleight ...and here again lets not mince words... you are talking about Team Killing over flippant comments over chat, from a person you could just mute.

So if that is your reaction why should you have the power to destroy someones game? you with the moral high ground .... killing someone... over WORDS, that you could turn off....

Lets be frank... all that has nothing to do with teaching people to aim better. Nor about tactics.

What you have described is internet bullying.

I never said that I was insulting EVERYONE here who disagreed with me, just a "bunch" of them.

I didn't know "bunch" translated into "ENTIRE COMMUNITY" in your language.

@Billi Gene
On closer examination, I wanted to mention that I find it laughably absurd how you try to draw a correlation between changing some pixels (really all that would be happening) and the actual effects that internet bullying can have. If you can't take being "griefed" by being shot in an FPS then do you really think that FPS is the game for you?

Sensibly implemented, FF would make griefing with TKing (what you are so obviously afraid of) more of an annoyance than an enjoyable behavior. Make the penalty for FF kills be something that autoboots you after X amount of ISK destroyed and locks you out of that game mode for Y number of seconds (where Y is the total value destroyed with FF). If you don't TK enough value to autoboot you can finish out your match, though afterwards will be locked out for the appropriate length of time. This will allow it to act as a hammer to punish the blatant griefer as well as a switch with which to dissuade indiscretion.

Example 1): If the autoboot amount is 500k and TK Forgegunner laughs maniacally while drilling your 1.847896m ISK HAV into smoldering wreckage with his AFG, TK Forgegunner is autobooted and is locked out of Skirmish for 1.847896m seconds (aka 3 weeks).
Example 2): Same autoboot amount, same match, Imprecise Idiot chews through 375k in FF kills over the course of the match due to his "spray and pray" tendencies and liberal use of explosive weapons too close to teammates. He is allowed to remain in the match for the duration, though once over, he is locked out of Skirmish for 375k seconds (or 4 days and 8 hours). Hopefully (in Ambush or One and Only) he'll have learned to aim a little better and how better to choose when to throw the grenade and when to shoot face.

how is it internet bullying if it was a choice to join it? you could still play the regular modes. no on is advocating to remove that

your the one with the moral high ground and your speech when i'm asking for a consentual FF mode not forced on anyone so get over the moral high ground BS