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Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.25 11:48:00 -
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bring in FF but flag TK's red.
this would limit the amount of griefing and trolling to be had.
Currently PC has FF and there it is acceptable, the team is usually working towards the same goal.
FF in PUBS? :P only if Team Killers get flagged red to both sides :P ends after a timer, not when you respawn :P
edit: oh and the timer should be longer than the inactive match boot |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:48:00 -
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to those with a hardon for the self titled hardcore:
grow up, this isnt about you nor you epeen, this is about the entire playerbase and the very predictable repercussions of allowing FF in pub matches.
You've seen the PS2 bombers at work on the forums?... that is the frame of mind that will ecstatically wallow in the tears of the community as they only join matches to TK and spawn camp. (drop nanohive in an ambush .. feed on tears ...)
If you in any way doubt it, then you need your head checked.
If you think you can counter it, then you will find you and your squad taking your eyes of the match to fight your own team, effectively allowing yourself to get trolled.
The only other option for your so vehemently advocating such an obvious kitten up, would be your plans to TK to the exclusion of the game yourself. I note that you mention a KOS list :P ...
FF in PC, possibly FW, and if we ever get open world, where the only 'team' is corp and alliance.... good luck with TK there :P
grow a brain or use the one you were given...
((lordy its like explaining fingers and food blenders to 3 year olds...)) |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2013.08.27 02:41:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:
I dealt with asshats TKing in MAG, I can deal with asshats TKing in Dust.
So long as CCP implemented draconian autoboot requirements (say 1 TK in a Pub and gone, 2 in FW, player limited in the joke faucet) it couldn't be abused to the extent that you are rightfully assuming it would without the benefit of some form of autoboot.
I have no plans to TK anyone (save one elitist asshat), as well as in defense of myself or my corpmates if the autoboot requirement > 1.
Actual risk needs to have a place in Dust, otherwise it gives Eve players more reason to hate Dust since Mercs get carte blanche as far as risk is concerned. Until there is FF in all gamemodes, there will be no real risk in Dust.
Also, that is a really bad analogy, it would've worked if you had said coins and wall sockets (food blenders are generally kept out of reach of small children, coins OTOH have a nasty tendency to be found in the oddest of places and wall sockets are at just the right height for little ones to try inserting things).
remind me again of team and map size in MAG?
Alaika Arbosa wrote: I want it because it is what I am used to in shooters (albeit, the watered down FF of MAG).
I've never played MAG so you'll excuse my ignorance. Correct me if i am wrong, but individual MAG matches/games, went on for a very long time?
Your methods of dealing with TK in DUST's tight interiors will only play into their hands, is my prediction.
As to the analogy, coins in wall sockets can be fatal, having one's fingers maimed or removed less so, just like you said "DUST has no real risk." I would think my analogy closer to the truth. Small annoyance in the greater scheme of the discussion i'd think.... :P |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2013.08.27 03:53:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Billi Gene wrote:to those with a hardon for the self titled hardcore: grow up, this isnt about you nor you epeen, this is about the entire playerbase and the very predictable repercussions of allowing FF in pub matches. You've seen the PS2 bombers at work on the forums?... that is the frame of mind that will ecstatically wallow in the tears of the community as they only join matches to TK and spawn camp. (drop nanohive in an ambush .. feed on tears ...) If you in any way doubt it, then you need your head checked. If you think you can counter it, then you will find you and your squad taking your eyes of the match to fight your own team, effectively allowing yourself to get trolled. The only other option for your so vehemently advocating such an obvious kitten up, would be your plans to TK to the exclusion of the game yourself. I note that you mention a KOS list :P ... FF in PC, possibly FW, and if we ever get open world, where the only 'team' is corp and alliance.... good luck with TK there :P grow a brain or use the one you were given... ((lordy its like explaining fingers and food blenders to 3 year olds...)) that's nice you enjoy the current trend of nonFF FPS games in the last 6 years where they phased out FF to target a softer audience (in a futile effort to mimic the success of the Wii) but many players managed in games where FF was standard way before MW1 FF is actually good for the community; ppl cant go around on the mic talking smack unless they're willing to back it up so ppl mind their manners more than run their mouths like so common in softcore games that they can hide behind some cheesy "i can't be killed by you" mechanic while talking smack. when you have a shield to hide behind such as no FF you're free to run your mouth on mic with no repercussions such as a bullet to your head from a teamate. everyone who's never played an FF game is so "OMG FF WILL DESTROY THE UNITY/COMMUNITY" but it actually improves it.
why are you upset over someone you can just mute?
how will griefing someone regardless of which team they are on improve the community?
will that allow people (like you) to decide who's allowed to play, because lets not mince words, people with influence don't always use it for "good".
if you say something negative about someone will your corp hunt that person down everytime? regardless of any percieved sleight ...and here again lets not mince words... you are talking about Team Killing over flippant comments over chat, from a person you could just mute.
So if that is your reaction why should you have the power to destroy someones game? you with the moral high ground .... killing someone... over WORDS, that you could turn off....
Lets be frank... all that has nothing to do with teaching people to aim better. Nor about tactics.
What you have described is internet bullying. |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
337
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:27:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Billi Gene wrote:
why are you upset over someone you can just mute?
how will griefing someone regardless of which team they are on improve the community?
will that allow people (like you) to decide who's allowed to play, because lets not mince words, people with influence don't always use it for "good".
if you say something negative about someone will your corp hunt that person down everytime? regardless of any percieved sleight ...and here again lets not mince words... you are talking about Team Killing over flippant comments over chat, from a person you could just mute.
So if that is your reaction why should you have the power to destroy someones game? you with the moral high ground .... killing someone... over WORDS, that you could turn off....
Lets be frank... all that has nothing to do with teaching people to aim better. Nor about tactics.
What you have described is internet bullying.
If people are allowed to just spam AoE weapons how will we ever know who is really elite? IDGAF what people say on the mic, I want people to quit being scared little bitches about FF and HTFU. It is possible to include it in such a way that it will be nigh impossible to grief with it, you know it, I know it, CCP knows it too. There's just a bunch of whiny scared little bitches here on the forums who are terrified of needing to be more aware and needing to lrn2aim. EDIT: @CCP can whoever is in charge of the forums software censoring code please upgrade from the lazy man's list of swear words? I'm not evading the profanity filter if I am using correct usage and the profanity filter just isn't catching it.
why don't you take your own advice?... HTFU over silly notions used to measure epeen. Regardless of weapon systems, I know for sure out of my DUST circle who is the better with which weapon/suit loadout, it doesnt take statistics, its a matter of playing with them. when tourneys take off and become regular, then those teams that win constantly or with an above average win/loss ratio will quite easily be known, and for all the right reasons.
FF has been implemented more than successfully into DUST. It is near impossible to grief with it, you know it I know it, CCP knows it. It is quite easy to get used to not shooting the blues around you, and the fact that TK's in PC are so low is testament to this.
Any objection to FF in PUBs does not automatically fall under your accusation of fear or terror. All of the objections that i have read in this thread have been lucid and objective.
In the end your strident demands to impose FF on the community smack of ulterior motives, and it is more than easy to suppose that you would garner great joy from griefing should FF be introduced to PUBs.
Either be objective or stop making the case against FF so easy via your obvious lowbrow attitude to the sanctity of others' opinions.
p.s. you may note that the comments about muting annoying tweens were not directed at you. |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:34:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Billi Gene On closer examination, I wanted to mention that I find it laughably absurd how you try to draw a correlation between changing some pixels (really all that would be happening) and the actual effects that internet bullying can have. If you can't take being "griefed" by being shot in an FPS then do you really think that FPS is the game for you?
Sensibly implemented, FF would make griefing with TKing (what you are so obviously afraid of) more of an annoyance than an enjoyable behavior. Make the penalty for FF kills be something that autoboots you after X amount of ISK destroyed and locks you out of that game mode for Y number of seconds (where Y is the total value destroyed with FF). If you don't TK enough value to autoboot you can finish out your match, though afterwards will be locked out for the appropriate length of time. This will allow it to act as a hammer to punish the blatant griefer as well as a switch with which to dissuade indiscretion.
Example 1): If the autoboot amount is 500k and TK Forgegunner laughs maniacally while drilling your 1.847896m ISK HAV into smoldering wreckage with his AFG, TK Forgegunner is autobooted and is locked out of Skirmish for 1.847896m seconds (aka 3 weeks). Example 2): Same autoboot amount, same match, Imprecise Idiot chews through 375k in FF kills over the course of the match due to his "spray and pray" tendencies and liberal use of explosive weapons too close to teammates. He is allowed to remain in the match for the duration, though once over, he is locked out of Skirmish for 375k seconds (or 4 days and 8 hours). Hopefully (in Ambush or One and Only) he'll have learned to aim a little better and how better to choose when to throw the grenade and when to shoot face.
i drew no correlation. No idea what you mean by a few pixels.
My statement was that people with influence over a group can by inference or direct order get those other people to carry out their wishes. Translate that towards griefing a single player over any random perceived actual or not sleight, and you have the recipe for internet bullying. Based upon known human behavioral tendencies.
Looking over your ideas for FF all i can think of is "why bother?" why make such a convoluted system that with the addition of an alt is entirely bypassed?
If you are worried about player Skill, why not introduce a system of diminishing WP via hits on friendlies? Wouldn't that achieve the same result or better as far as making people watch their fire?
If that is not enough then let us look at causing FF losses... Using your suggested system i could body block a teammate with the sole intention of locking them out of matches based upon the worth of my suit. If i really didnt like someone i could TK their proto tank, then bodyblock them till they either rage and leave match or they inadvertently shoot me and get themselves locked out of further matches.
"there was an old woman that swallowed a fly...."
as far as being in mortal fear for my avatar's inferred life... hardly. I've been playing comp games for over thirty years now... maybe when i was five and playing space invaders in $5 comps at my parents local pub for the entertainment of the elders, maybe then losing a life was significant (1 game was 20c :P), hardly so now -stick to the topic and less trying to destabilise arguments thru personal attacks :P |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
343
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:06:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Billi Gene wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Billi Gene wrote:to those with a hardon for the self titled hardcore: grow up, this isnt about you nor you epeen, this is about the entire playerbase and the very predictable repercussions of allowing FF in pub matches. You've seen the PS2 bombers at work on the forums?... that is the frame of mind that will ecstatically wallow in the tears of the community as they only join matches to TK and spawn camp. (drop nanohive in an ambush .. feed on tears ...) If you in any way doubt it, then you need your head checked. If you think you can counter it, then you will find you and your squad taking your eyes of the match to fight your own team, effectively allowing yourself to get trolled. The only other option for your so vehemently advocating such an obvious kitten up, would be your plans to TK to the exclusion of the game yourself. I note that you mention a KOS list :P ... FF in PC, possibly FW, and if we ever get open world, where the only 'team' is corp and alliance.... good luck with TK there :P grow a brain or use the one you were given... ((lordy its like explaining fingers and food blenders to 3 year olds...)) that's nice you enjoy the current trend of nonFF FPS games in the last 6 years where they phased out FF to target a softer audience (in a futile effort to mimic the success of the Wii) but many players managed in games where FF was standard way before MW1 FF is actually good for the community; ppl cant go around on the mic talking smack unless they're willing to back it up so ppl mind their manners more than run their mouths like so common in softcore games that they can hide behind some cheesy "i can't be killed by you" mechanic while talking smack. when you have a shield to hide behind such as no FF you're free to run your mouth on mic with no repercussions such as a bullet to your head from a teamate. everyone who's never played an FF game is so "OMG FF WILL DESTROY THE UNITY/COMMUNITY" but it actually improves it. why are you upset over someone you can just mute? how will griefing someone regardless of which team they are on improve the community? will that allow people (like you) to decide who's allowed to play, because lets not mince words, people with influence don't always use it for "good". if you say something negative about someone will your corp hunt that person down everytime? regardless of any percieved sleight ...and here again lets not mince words... you are talking about Team Killing over flippant comments over chat, from a person you could just mute. So if that is your reaction why should you have the power to destroy someones game? you with the moral high ground .... killing someone... over WORDS, that you could turn off.... Lets be frank... all that has nothing to do with teaching people to aim better. Nor about tactics. What you have described is internet bullying. how is it internet bullying if it was a choice to join it? you could still play the regular modes. no on is advocating to remove that your the one with the moral high ground and your speech when i'm asking for a consentual FF mode not forced on anyone so get over the moral high ground BS
Im sorry >.< can you link exactly where you asked for an alternate FF match mode?
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