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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2013.08.25 11:35:00 -
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personally, if we had FF in public matches, i would murder my friendly Caldari prototypes , even if i get kicked after 3 TK's id be satisfied that i ruined his OP game |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
302
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Posted - 2013.08.25 11:48:00 -
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bring in FF but flag TK's red.
this would limit the amount of griefing and trolling to be had.
Currently PC has FF and there it is acceptable, the team is usually working towards the same goal.
FF in PUBS? :P only if Team Killers get flagged red to both sides :P ends after a timer, not when you respawn :P
edit: oh and the timer should be longer than the inactive match boot |
Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
561
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Posted - 2013.08.25 12:00:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:personally, if we had FF in public matches, i would murder my friendly Caldari prototypes , even if i get kicked after 3 TK's id be satisfied that i ruined his OP game
Oh poor child, you are so confused aren't you?
Dont worry kid once you get your own shiny proto suit you'll see they aren't so OP.
Oh and to those wanting FF in pubs, you see this asshat? My point exactly... |
Cobra CLUTCH79
OVERLORDS OF THE ONI SERPENT
31
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:51:00 -
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friendly fire??? u must be a fckin idiot |
jingle wingle
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:27:00 -
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Eldest Dragon wrote:I'm not running from anything, and yes getting on a thread and bad mouthing someone is immature, Grow up dude. So, in short, you STILL have nothing to say about your post being bad?
Gotcha. |
Sleepy Zan
Djentleman's Society
2467
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:32:00 -
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CCP please add this feature, we'll behave I promise |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
324
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:53:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:With all the grenade and Mass Driver Spam?
Now way bro! That would totally harsh with people. Might teach some people how to use MD/nades when they start going -kills. I use MD in PC and rarely kill friendlies.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1065
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:54:00 -
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Only if the people who TK me must pay the ISK cost for my dropsuits and vehicles. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
944
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:56:00 -
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if FF is ever introduced dust will die on the same day. Lol ppl would tk just because its funny, i would |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
896
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:03:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:bring in FF but flag TK's red.
this would limit the amount of griefing and trolling to be had.
Currently PC has FF and there it is acceptable, the team is usually working towards the same goal.
FF in PUBS? :P only if Team Killers get flagged red to both sides :P ends after a timer, not when you respawn :P
edit: oh and the timer should be longer than the inactive match boot
I could support that as a punishment, though without a timer. For the remaining duration of the match, you're red to both sides and your kills/deaths don't count for/against your "team".
Probably needs thought through more, but I think it'd be a suitable punishment. |
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Thumb Green
Novashift
320
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:33:00 -
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If they enable FF in pubs they'll have to punish people for team killing to curb abuse and then the next thing you know we're getting punished because some dingle-berry team member with almost no health runs right into our line of fire. And what if they track it and make it part of the publicly available stats. Now we're forever marked as team killers because of someone else's mistake. Man, fck that noise.
You want to play with FF on all the time, only play PC (and FW if/when they enable it) matches.
Edit: Enabling FF in pubs would completely ruin this game for the majority of players and preventing that is far more important than your precious KDR. Because that's what your post is about; people stealing your kills and messing with your KDR. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
897
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:00:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:If they enable FF in pubs they'll have to punish people for team killing to curb abuse and then the next thing you know we're getting punished because some dingle-berry team member with almost no health runs right into our line of fire. And what if they track it and make it part of the publicly available stats. Now we're forever marked as team killers because of someone else's mistake. Man, fck that noise.
You want to play with FF on all the time, only play PC (and FW if/when they enable it) matches.
Edit: Enabling FF in pubs would completely ruin this game for the majority of players and preventing that is far more important than your precious KDR. Because that's what your post is about; people stealing your kills and messing with your KDR.
No, FF isn't about KDR and if you think it is, you're delusional.
It is about not facing dimwits who only blob around creating a wall of bullets in front of them by spamming R1 and not caring if they're hitting the reddot or their bluedots back.
It is more about forcing people to be more precise with their engagement rather than just spam AoE or trying to shoot through bluedots in hopes that they can get the kill.
IDGAF about KDR, I just want the game to have more emphasis on precision as well as risk v. reward (which there is none in Dust currently, only reward). |
Thumb Green
Novashift
320
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:45:00 -
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I never said FF was about KDR; what I said was OP's post was about his KDR and if you think it isn't you're delusional.
By the way, it's nice how you completely ignored my entire comment before the edit. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
900
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:51:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I never said FF was about KDR; what I said was OP's post was about his KDR and if you think it isn't you're delusional.
By the way, it's nice how you completely ignored my entire comment before the edit. Alright, **** the OP and his ridiculous reasoning for wanting FF.
However I ignored your "whole comment before the edit" because IMHO, FF should be in ALL gamemodes, 100% from all sources.
Dust should be "Hardcore" all the way, otherwise CCP is just telling the Dust Merc GABS* rather than HTFU.
*Go Ahead, Be Soft. |
Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
572
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:57:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I never said FF was about KDR; what I said was OP's post was about his KDR and if you think it isn't you're delusional.
By the way, it's nice how you completely ignored my entire comment before the edit. Alright, **** the OP and his ridiculous reasoning for wanting FF. However I ignored your "whole comment before the edit" because IMHO, FF should be in ALL gamemodes, 100% from all sources. Dust should be "Hardcore" all the way, otherwise CCP is just telling the Dust Merc GABS* rather than HTFU. *Go Ahead, Be Soft.
I'd like to see if you still feel that way after the first assahat gets a hardon for your proto suit and spends the entire match dedicated to team killing you.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
900
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:59:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I never said FF was about KDR; what I said was OP's post was about his KDR and if you think it isn't you're delusional.
By the way, it's nice how you completely ignored my entire comment before the edit. Alright, **** the OP and his ridiculous reasoning for wanting FF. However I ignored your "whole comment before the edit" because IMHO, FF should be in ALL gamemodes, 100% from all sources. Dust should be "Hardcore" all the way, otherwise CCP is just telling the Dust Merc GABS* rather than HTFU. *Go Ahead, Be Soft. I'd like to see if you still feel that way after the first assahat gets a hardon for your proto suit and spends the entire match dedicated to team killing you.
I don't fit proto, not because I can't, because I choose not to, who'd have thunk that was possible?!?!??!?!
Lol, it'll serve the spineless little emo kids who run around in their proto crutches right. |
Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
573
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:28:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I never said FF was about KDR; what I said was OP's post was about his KDR and if you think it isn't you're delusional.
By the way, it's nice how you completely ignored my entire comment before the edit. Alright, **** the OP and his ridiculous reasoning for wanting FF. However I ignored your "whole comment before the edit" because IMHO, FF should be in ALL gamemodes, 100% from all sources. Dust should be "Hardcore" all the way, otherwise CCP is just telling the Dust Merc GABS* rather than HTFU. *Go Ahead, Be Soft. I'd like to see if you still feel that way after the first assahat gets a hardon for your proto suit and spends the entire match dedicated to team killing you. I don't fit proto, not because I can't, because I choose not to, who'd have thunk that was possible?!?!??!?! Lol, it'll serve the spineless little emo kids who run around in their proto crutches right.
Butthurt much? It's OK, show us on the doll where the big bad proto suit touched you. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
900
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Posted - 2013.08.26 05:31:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I never said FF was about KDR; what I said was OP's post was about his KDR and if you think it isn't you're delusional.
By the way, it's nice how you completely ignored my entire comment before the edit. Alright, **** the OP and his ridiculous reasoning for wanting FF. However I ignored your "whole comment before the edit" because IMHO, FF should be in ALL gamemodes, 100% from all sources. Dust should be "Hardcore" all the way, otherwise CCP is just telling the Dust Merc GABS* rather than HTFU. *Go Ahead, Be Soft. I'd like to see if you still feel that way after the first assahat gets a hardon for your proto suit and spends the entire match dedicated to team killing you. I don't fit proto, not because I can't, because I choose not to, who'd have thunk that was possible?!?!??!?! Lol, it'll serve the spineless little emo kids who run around in their proto crutches right. Butthurt much? It's OK, show us on the doll where the big bad proto suit touched you.
No, actually, I'm not butthurt.
I just think that PRO has no place outside of PC and I practice what I preach.
Outside of PC, it is a crutch relied on by tryhards and the self-professed "elite" who (rather than actually testing their alleged "skill" by using inferior tech) claim that to not pursue every single possible edge is to concede defeat to scrubs and so they insist on fitting PRO at all times. It may not have been you, but I have seen that very assertion put forward on these forums.
100% FF from all sources, in all game modes would make people think twice about breaking out their precious crutch if Joe Bluedot can just decide to two shot them with a scrambler pistol because they were dumb enough to think he was actually a "friendly".
Nowhere should have the "safe" pass, risk should be present at every turn.
In Eve, is high-sec the totally safe area like pubs are in Dust? Or is it the "safest" choice of the three?
Pubs should be the "safest" choice of the three in Dust, give them the least number of TKs needed to auto-boot.
FW should get double what Pubs get and PC gets no limit aside from that imposed by a player with the appropriate roles in the same corporation as the perpetrator.
Academy Battles should have a nerfed FF so people can't say they weren't warned. |
Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.08.26 06:49:00 -
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Perhaps partial FF - can only drop you to half shields or if you are already below half shields, can only drop you to half armour. Can never be killed by FF, only maimed. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
905
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:39:00 -
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Blake Kingston wrote:Perhaps partial FF - can only drop you to half shields or if you are already below half shields, can only drop you to half armour. Can never be killed by FF, only maimed. What is up with the ***** half-measures?
Go hard or go home. |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1829
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:54:00 -
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Friendly fire is an interesting mechanic... It does completely change the way you have to play a match and creates interesting strats that aren't viable without it. It also makes OBs more tactical than they are now.
However, putting FF in a match where i'm queueing with strangers? That's the last day I play dust, it would hands down ruin this game. Either people are getting autokicked left and right cause they accidentally grenades some stranger in a MLT suits or people will just kill you for the lulz cause your suit is black colored.
I could totally imagine an assault pissed off the logi isnt repping him and killing him just to teach him a lesson. Or droves of newbs in MLT gear team killing anything they see that looks like it might cost isk or be related to the public perception of FOTM.
No way... FF in pubs would ruin this game.
If you want to play a mode with FF then play in PC. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
622
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:55:00 -
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Since New Eden is not about banning but making people responsible for their actions.
TKs 1) Counts as -1 kill 2) Immediate reduction in winnings through fines (immediatly from wallet, to prevent logging in and logging out to avoid fines) 3) Reduction in WPs 4) A Certain number of negative WPs could result in kicking from the match, possibly with some sort of cooldown before allowed back in pubs.
The victim can do nothing until possible standing and bounty and mechanics. This means they still get a death and still lose their suit, seeing as how we are commonly teamed up with groups of people who we are commonly rivals with griefing would be a huge issue. This becomes trickier with orbitals, as not everyone is in contact. There could be a proper warning for teammates to know where it's being dropped, and could have a degree a amnesty to the one who drops it. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
906
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:03:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Friendly fire is an interesting mechanic... It does completely change the way you have to play a match and creates interesting strats that aren't viable without it. It also makes OBs more tactical than they are now.
However, putting FF in a match where i'm queueing with strangers? That's the last day I play dust, it would hands down ruin this game. Either people are getting autokicked left and right cause they accidentally grenades some stranger in a MLT suits or people will just kill you for the lulz cause your suit is black colored.
I could totally imagine an assault pissed off the logi isnt repping him and killing him just to teach him a lesson. Or droves of newbs in MLT gear team killing anything they see that looks like it might cost isk or be related to the public perception of FOTM.
No way... FF in pubs would ruin this game.
If you want to play a mode with FF then play in PC.
**** PC.
100% FF from all sources in all modes is the way to go.
Quit hiding behind the proto blob and making excuses and man up. |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
222
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:13:00 -
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Eldest Dragon wrote:I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun. I understand pub noobs are annoying...
But how stupid of a request are you trying to make? |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1829
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:18:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Friendly fire is an interesting mechanic... It does completely change the way you have to play a match and creates interesting strats that aren't viable without it. It also makes OBs more tactical than they are now.
However, putting FF in a match where i'm queueing with strangers? That's the last day I play dust, it would hands down ruin this game. Either people are getting autokicked left and right cause they accidentally grenades some stranger in a MLT suits or people will just kill you for the lulz cause your suit is black colored.
I could totally imagine an assault pissed off the logi isnt repping him and killing him just to teach him a lesson. Or droves of newbs in MLT gear team killing anything they see that looks like it might cost isk or be related to the public perception of FOTM.
No way... FF in pubs would ruin this game.
If you want to play a mode with FF then play in PC. **** PC. 100% FF from all sources in all modes is the way to go. Quit hiding behind the proto blob and making excuses and man up.
Sorry man, just cause you're not good enough to participate in PC shouldn't mean you are allowed to team kill everyone who does. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
491
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:25:00 -
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I wish the game gave WP based off of who did the most work on the enemy. This is very apparent for HAVs and occasionally assault dropships. Most of the time when there is a blueberry in my HAV they wait last second to fire when I get a installation on low health. |
da GAND
High-Damage
236
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:27:00 -
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ppl would kill me just to use a turret dude, no FF in instant battles. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:39:00 -
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Eldest Dragon wrote:I'm getting sick of people walking in front of me and my bullets right before I down a guy, (because there chasing after my kill), most likely bc they cant get there own. Its time to let these guys know what happens when they stick the back of there head in front of my gun. That's right! So instead ofjust taking your kill, they'd kill you, then your target! Or they will do nothing but shoot you around spawn points. |
sammus420
Goonfeet Top Men.
303
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:52:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote: I'd like to see if you still feel that way after the first assahat gets a hardon for your proto suit and spends the entire match dedicated to team killing you.
That's going to be me. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
906
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Posted - 2013.08.26 20:08:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Friendly fire is an interesting mechanic... It does completely change the way you have to play a match and creates interesting strats that aren't viable without it. It also makes OBs more tactical than they are now.
However, putting FF in a match where i'm queueing with strangers? That's the last day I play dust, it would hands down ruin this game. Either people are getting autokicked left and right cause they accidentally grenades some stranger in a MLT suits or people will just kill you for the lulz cause your suit is black colored.
I could totally imagine an assault pissed off the logi isnt repping him and killing him just to teach him a lesson. Or droves of newbs in MLT gear team killing anything they see that looks like it might cost isk or be related to the public perception of FOTM.
No way... FF in pubs would ruin this game.
If you want to play a mode with FF then play in PC. **** PC. 100% FF from all sources in all modes is the way to go. Quit hiding behind the proto blob and making excuses and man up. Sorry man, just cause you're not good enough to participate in PC shouldn't mean you are allowed to team kill everyone who does. You can KMA you elitist bastard.
The reason I boycott PC is because it is the Dust equivalent of the Sale of Indulgences. It is a Passive Income faucet that doesn't promote activity, it promotes farming and holding District just to hold them while keeping adversaries at bay with A-teams and bribery (i.e. "selling" Districts).
I notice that you just try to ad hom me while totally accepting my assertion that you hide behind a protoblob and make excuses.
So far, you're the only person who'd be on my KOS list if we get FF.
Why don't you go play a real sport or are you too ******* fat to do anything strenuous for more than five minutes before thinking you're having a coronary? |
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