Scout are not for HP tanking, frontline assaulting & etc... it's about play & think different.
Join the channel: Scouts United - ask, try, squap up & watch others scouts.

i'm in that channel already and we played together today more than once (as enemies & allies) you dont have a good observing, don't you ;-P?

And i dont want to be a mountain ape (sniper)... MD are FOTM and i hate them so not an option for me. AR is for andicapped childs and ezmode tryhards...

On open maps i use a std scrambler rifle maybe i'll put more Sp into them... but on the other hand they have a high pg cost... so wont be that good either.

CCP should give us a respec.... this would put me out of my misery!

Hey guys,
i tried my new Proto Scout Suits today in some matches and i have to say:

OHHHH FKKK THEY'RE TRASH!!!

Seriously what is the point of the Proto Scout Suits? i see no difference in terms of survivability compared to the adv one :/
"Oh a guy sees me with his militia AR".... boom i'm dead in 1 second.... even the shittiest grenade can 1 HKO me and i run minmatar with 3 complex shield extenders in the high slots.
And if that wouldnt be worse enough this little **** toilet paper suit costs as much as the other suits.

I'll just keep running around with my adv suit and being annoyed about the fact that i spend so much SP for that piece ****!

Today i had so many hit detection/lag issues that i nearly trashed my controller.... and not even only with the shotgun. Even my SMG couldnt kill ****... i had a situation were my bulletcount in the mag wouldnt go down and dealing no damage to the enemie.. like I'm shooting peas out of it.

:/

If you see me only like "mountain ape" :) then it's you have bad observing or luck seeing me with scr pistol, melee, grenade kills in killfeed as a "mountain ape".
I can share with you my gallente scout shotgun-passive scanner fit, but you won't like it, it's a hardmode & not always works (depends on map & situation).

Scr rifle + adv. active scanner btw is maybe best choise for you. Seize state of scr rifle will make you very vulnerable as a scout, you need to count your shots & do headshots for fast killing (because you are scout made of paper). And you still will die no matter what :)

Gallente scout is a portable passive scanner, no speed or HP tanking. With maxed skills you can have up to 56m passive scann range, but you can't detect another scout even with 1 complex precision mod - that will be your side effect. And sometimes you won't pick up even a heavy near you on radar, that **** is not always working for some odd reason (CCP...).

As far as i am concerned there is indeed no use for the proto scout, the advanced one is good enough and the proto dies just as fast.

I just put 2 complex Kin cats and 2 complex cardiac regulators on my proto minmatar logi. The same fub but better survivabiltiy and you have more equipment slots.

Hey guys,
i tried my new Proto Scout Suits today in some matches and i have to say:

OHHHH FKKK THEY'RE TRASH!!!

Seriously what is the point of the Proto Scout Suits? i see no difference in terms of survivability compared to the adv one :/
"Oh a guy sees me with his militia AR".... boom i'm dead in 1 second.... even the shittiest grenade can 1 HKO me and i run minmatar with 3 complex shield extenders in the high slots.
And if that wouldnt be worse enough this little **** toilet paper suit costs as much as the other suits.

I'll just keep running around with my adv suit and being annoyed about the fact that i spend so much SP for that piece ****!

Today i had so many hit detection/lag issues that i nearly trashed my controller.... and not even only with the shotgun. Even my SMG couldnt kill ****... i had a situation were my bulletcount in the mag wouldnt go down and dealing no damage to the enemie.. like I'm shooting peas out of it.

:/

the only fun way to play this game is with militia scout suits and militia shotguns

Well i've Seen you running around with a caldari medium frame (blasphemy) you dirty traitor ;-P but when you was against me only the charge sniper kills you got on my teammates is all i remember.

1st off I'm only a basic scout but here's my take on it
I don't know about other scouts but mine isn't about survivability. Its about getting to the right place quickly, assessing the situation and making choices based on the way the battle is going.

Last battle we were down on on players from the start (we only started with 3) I knew we wouldn't be able to jump the objectives early, and looking at the other 2 getting in dropships rather then take point I decided to take the initiative.
1st step - Capture the closest null cannon asap so new players had a decent start point
2nd - capture a railcannon installation and destroy the guns leading to the city, making the entrance easier for new troops
3rd - I placed an uplink on the roof where i knew players would get the option to come down and threaten the 3 inner points
4th - I knew by now most of the enemy would have moved forward so ran through and i took their starting null cannon. + CRU so they cant get it back easily
5th - I then captured the unguarded null cannon in the city during the confusion

Result?
700 WP easily
Our team had lots of options and the enemy had to spread themselves thinner to counter my hacks so we easily took all the points later
+ later I got 2/3 kills myself

Edit - sorry back to topic - Personally I feel that the scout should remain out of combat as much as possible and only engage when it's in your favour. I would use the extra high slots on my scout to increase damage, not make it tougher.

lol at people thinking Nestli doesn't know how to play a scout.

Well he complaining about being scout & it's minmatar proto scout, that has more survivability than gallente scout- that means he don't know how to play a scout

Well he complaining about being scout & it's minmatar proto scout, that has more survivability than gallente scout- that means he don't know how to play a scout

Please please please have part of the scout's buff be a universal increase of all dropsuits scan radius. if you increase everyone's scan radius, say from 10m to 30m, people will actually be able to passively scan others except scouts since they have lower profile signatures which would be an advantage to them. If you are concerned increasing this passive scanning range will make active scanners useless, it won't but you could always give active scanners more range or other perks (like say temporarily see enemy outlines though walls.

I've had the proto for months now an pull it out from time to time but I recently started a new character that I'm building to prepare for the caldari scout if it's any good, so for now I'm working on nothing but passive skill bonuses an ALL suit CPU pg reductions .
If you went minmatar you need knives, it's a knifers suit, gallente is a shot gunner in my opinion because you can take a beating.

Now before 1.2 build the minmatar was a beast for speed, sg , an novas. But with all the changes what you seen others do months before isn't really the case now, ccp took our speedy assassin an f ' d his : dodging, jumping, hotbox , stamina, an made all other suits that much harder to hit an run cuz they can actually chase us down now.
A friggen logi shot gunner with 2/2 reds an greens is a nasty bugger to have chase you!

So basically go back to running a mega weak fit like a level one suit, that way you ll trick yourself into thinking that your proto is the weak suit an you ll live longer.
Try this fit for a shotgunner:
Adv shield energizer
2complex s/e
Complex green
Feroscale plate or enhanced armor rep
Toxin sub

Now that fit can't take a huge hit so having 234 shields an ur armor is no biggi but you always have full health!
I had a guy hit me I went behind a wall 2 seconds an boom full health I even started usin shield reg an that's really irritating to the enemy they have to ohk you.
An use r/e they stop people from chasing me

Because the scout class bonus of reduced profile signature is meaningless with the current 10m scan radius, I don't know why anyone would spend 2.7 million skill points for the proto scout when you could get the proto light for 1.2 million skill points.

Benefits:
Scouts suits are cheaper than their Light-Frame counterparts.
Light-Frames are immune to most Active Scanners; reduced profile signature renders you immune to more.
For Gallente CQC Scouts, the passive scan bonus combined with long-range scanning is useful.
For Minja CQC Scouts, the passive NK bonus is pretty dang cool, though these guys make hardmode look easy.

If you're a mid-range or long-range Scout, there's little point in skilling into Scout at the moment.

Well basically,




Because the scout class bonus of reduced profile signature is meaningless with the current 10m scan radius, I don't know why anyone would spend 2.7 million skill points for the proto scout when you could get the proto light for 1.2 million skill points.

i see lately a lot of suits outrun me :/ (mostly logis) but yesterday i saw a caldari assault who was running as fast as me... it took like forever to finally get up his ass to shotgun him.

well i compared my adv suit with my proto and there was no much difference between them.. i'll try the energizer combo but i dont think it'll help much since AR's instafukk me as well as MD's before i can reach cover.. the only compelx mods i have so far are the shield ext. so I'll run the rest at adv lvl and energizer std... wish i had more SP :/

For Gallente CQC Scouts, the passive scan bonus combined with long-range scanning is useful.

Scouts are not immune to active scanners, you still have to fill up your lows with profile dampeners.

10 meters passive scanning on the Gallente scout. Add the racial bonus and it's 15 meters.

Is it really? I did a fair bit of testing before my re-spec (I was amongst those who got it _really_ late), and even with maxed scanner skills, proto gallente scout and all slots filled with proto scanning modules it wasn't useful at all. Things could have changed since then, but I doubt it.

EDIT: ...anyway, gallente scouts should get enough range from the suit bonus and scanner skills alone. Hell, all lights and scouts should. One more thing that was better in Chromosome :P.

Passive Scan Range
Lvl(1) Light-Frame - 10 meters
Lvl(1) GalScout - 11 meters
Lvl(5) GalScout - 15 meters
Lvl(5) GalScout + Lvl(1) LRS - 16.5 meters
Lvl(5) GalScout + Lvl(2) LRS - 18.15 meters
Lvl(5) GalScout + Lvl(3) LRS - 19.97 meters
Lvl(5) GalScout + Lvl(4) LRS - 21.96 meters
Lvl(5) GalScout + Lvl(5) LRS - 24.26 meters
Lvl(5) GalScout +1 Cmp Amplifier - 35.02 meters
Lvl(5) GalScout +2 Cmp Amplifier ~ 50.00 meters

Do you really get that kind of range? I didn't. What I meant above was that the _passive scanner_ was useless, despite having done everything possible to boost its range.

Sure do, bro. Math ain't purty, but she don't lie.

If you're looking for a subjective perspective, I'm much more aware of my surroundings when running one Enhanced Range Amplifier on my Lvl(5) GalScout. Stacking Complex Range Amplifiers isn't advisable; you won't be able to fit anything else.

Yes! we try to avoid combat, but have you really tried to avoid contact? You end up facing someone don't you? You are damn right we need to be good at combat. If you want to win, you are going to get into some enemy contact, guess what, this also helps the team too. Just waiting on that buff so I can upgrade to a bigger jar so I can collect more assault/logi/heavy tears. I'm 40k short of range amp lvl4.
A lot of players are underestimating us. CCP owes us big time.

Good post Nestil. A proto scout should be feared.

[quote=Nestil]
FYI: scouts make awesome AV classes. They are very hard to track. and you'll be popping tanks and DS like a boss.

Hey guys,
i tried my new Proto Scout Suits today in some matches and i have to say:

OHHHH FKKK THEY'RE TRASH!!!

Seriously what is the point of the Proto Scout Suits? i see no difference in terms of survivability compared to the adv one :/
"Oh a guy sees me with his militia AR".... boom i'm dead in 1 second.... even the shittiest grenade can 1 HKO me and i run minmatar with 3 complex shield extenders in the high slots.
And if that wouldnt be worse enough this little **** toilet paper suit costs as much as the other suits.

I'll just keep running around with my adv suit and being annoyed about the fact that i spend so much SP for that piece ****!

Today i had so many hit detection/lag issues that i nearly trashed my controller.... and not even only with the shotgun. Even my SMG couldnt kill ****... i had a situation were my bulletcount in the mag wouldnt go down and dealing no damage to the enemie.. like I'm shooting peas out of it.

:/

I've been reading the past posts and it's sad to hear that our gals arent getting justice from their role bonus. I feel that it does help me in-game, I have the scout g/1 series with 2 adv range amps. It helps, the problem comes when I try to go for the kill. shenaningans, I look like a noob sometimes It's a hard feeling when you do your best to stay off radar and then you get instakill upon sight by a duvolle or MD.

A huge problem I see is our field of vision, I find it to narrow. Have you guys ever tried running somewhere because it looks clear, then an AR starts shooting you from somewhere. My scan doesn't pick him up and now I'm trying to outrun this disadvantage, of course I fail.

Two words:
Sniper. Rifle.

if you're getting close, to "go for the kill", you're doing it wrong."close" = within 200m.


(Unless you're one o them psycho Knife Ninjas. but then you're still doing it wrong, 'cause you're getting spotted. Ninjas are never seen )