DUST Search - A Forge Gun nerf we could all live with.

All Channels

General Discussions

A Forge Gun nerf we could all live with.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
DS 10 Pure Innocence. EoN. 754	Posted - 2013.08.20 22:50:00 - [1] - Quote A lot of the complaints I see on the forums are about the militia/standard FG. This FG is able to hold a charge which makes one shot kills a lot easier than assault variants. My proposed "nerf" is as follows. 1) Have heat feedback damage after an allotted time of holding the charge. Or 2) Have gradual heat feedback damage dealt after an allotted time that increases over time. (e.g. 5 HP/s damage after 3 seconds of holding the charge, damage increases every three seconds) This would discourage chargewalkers. Also, reticule sway/shake could increase once feedback damage begins and continue to increase as damage increase.
Medical Crash Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 99	Posted - 2013.08.20 22:57:00 - [2] - Quote How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 1907	Posted - 2013.08.20 22:58:00 - [3] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Not really. Its anti-infantry capabilities are ridiculous.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 364	Posted - 2013.08.20 22:59:00 - [4] - Quote I get merc'd more by ARs than I do by Forge Guns so I think ARs should be nerfed.
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 155	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:00:00 - [5] - Quote I say just get rid of the stupid militia FG and replace it with a militia HMG, and I use the assault FG's so, do what you want with the standard FG's.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 483	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:01:00 - [6] - Quote With all the BS like MD's broken AR's, "OP" grenades, your complaining about the one weapon that makes being a heavy worth while?
Cy Clone1 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 214	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:01:00 - [7] - Quote the assault forgegun is the only one that needs a fix, more damage, higher fire rate. with such a large charge decrease acquired from the skills the need to hold a charge is less important. Proposed fix wold be to lower the damage to charge holding variant.
Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 159	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:03:00 - [8] - Quote What? So do you want to make AFGs as the only viable FGs?
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 682	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:05:00 - [9] - Quote It sure is a fix all us Assault Forge Gunners could live with... it doesn't even affect us. Would mostly hurt one of the Breach's functions, making it even more situational.
Medical Crash Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 101	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:11:00 - [10] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Not really. Its anti-infantry capabilities are ridiculous. He has to AIM with no zoom to kill you, and splash will only OHK the weakest of suits. The FG Heavy needs ammo, and support to use this effectively. There is NOTHING wrong with it. There are MANY negatives associated to using the FG right now, you have not thought out your complaint enough.

Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 1908	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:18:00 - [11] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Not really. Its anti-infantry capabilities are ridiculous. He has to AIM with no zoom to kill you, and splash will only OHK the weakest of suits. The FG Heavy needs ammo, and support to use this effectively. There is NOTHING wrong with it. There are MANY negatives associated to using the FG right now, you have not thought out your complaint enough. I'm a Scout. I have 289eHP. A Heavy can one shot me with just about any Forge. And dont tell me that the FG is hard to aim, its got pinpoint accuracy, barely any travel time, and a 2.5m splash. (Pre-nerf Core Flaylock Radius) I've got no problem with its direct damage, its the radius and splash damage thats ridiculous.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 684	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:18:00 - [12] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Not really. Its anti-infantry capabilities are ridiculous. He has to AIM with no zoom to kill you, and splash will only OHK the weakest of suits. The FG Heavy needs ammo, and support to use this effectively. There is NOTHING wrong with it. There are MANY negatives associated to using the FG right now, you have not thought out your complaint enough. Forge Gunner here. Lack of zoom is a moderate disadvantage. Perfect accuracy without needing to zoom is an incredibly huge advantage. It's just that everyone seems to overlook that.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 139	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:25:00 - [13] - Quote DS 10 wrote: A lot of the complaints I see on the forums are about the militia/standard FG. This FG is able to hold a charge which makes one shot kills a lot easier than assault variants. My proposed "nerf" is as follows. 1) Have heat feedback damage after an allotted time of holding the charge. Or 2) Have gradual heat feedback damage dealt after an allotted time that increases over time. (e.g. 5 HP/s damage after 3 seconds of holding the charge, damage increases every three seconds) This would discourage chargewalkers. Also, reticule sway/shake could increase once feedback damage begins and continue to increase as damage increase. Considering you are a well known FG/Heavy, I could live with these changes you propose. Thanks for a well thought, easily implemented "nerf", unlike most of the nerf threads these days. +1 PS... no, I'm not a heavy, and I have no prior experience with anything heavy. And my death count from FG are significantly lower then HMG.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 127	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:25:00 - [14] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Not really. Its anti-infantry capabilities are ridiculous. He has to AIM with no zoom to kill you, and splash will only OHK the weakest of suits. The FG Heavy needs ammo, and support to use this effectively. There is NOTHING wrong with it. There are MANY negatives associated to using the FG right now, you have not thought out your complaint enough. Aside from the fact that it takes proto rail turrets to match their damage. You have a lot of drawbacks, you can render everything on the map huge draw back there. Your suit has a finite about of fitting space yet can generate enough energy to not only create a ridiculously high damage charge but send it across the map nearly instantly. So you need ammo damn do I feel bad for you.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5819	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:44:00 - [15] - Quote I dont think its needed, just remove the militia fg all together. Give standard the damage of assault and vice versa. Remove splash on standard and assault forges, replacing it with a tight concussive blast radius that will shunt targets backward just a bit, allowing for forge guns to still be able to cover objectives without needing direct hits, trading lethality for utility Damage decay at long range to help vehicles out a bit, particularly Dropships. Slight crosshair shake added to discourage long range infantry sniping, but not effecting AV too much. Possibly drop clip size on all to 3 Give Standard and Assault a way to zoom a little Ive used forge guns on and off at the advanced and prototype levels for at least six months throughout the betas and since release, along with having tested standard LAVs and HAVs reasonably, and all levels of dropships extensively, except ADS because rage ensued before I could really get too much time in with them.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1103	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:48:00 - [16] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: I get merc'd more by ARs than I do by Forge Guns so I think ARs should be nerfed. Right, its impossible for a gun to be OP unless the majority of players for some reasons use it. huuuu
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 525	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:55:00 - [17] - Quote Not totally unreasonable, but if this proposed nerf (or any other) takes place, it would only be fair to reduce or remove the movement penalty.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 741	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:57:00 - [18] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Hmmm, DS 10 is one pretty damn good FGer...so maybe if he has a suggestion about a weapon he k ows about...we should not dismiss him...hmmm?
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 122	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:03:00 - [19] - Quote Why nerf that don't need a weapon when the problem is elsewhere? Back in Cromo the Forge has the same stat as it's now, but that wasn't a problem, so what is changed? When CCP lift the sky limit camper start to jump from joy First make the skyscraper impossible to camp on. I dont know Make it red line, make their roof electric. Leave Us Ground Forgegunners, we don't need a nerf 'cause camper EDIT: this also solve the sniper-camper playstile EDIT^2 : Get rid of the militia forge and replace it with militia hmg. And add a feedback dmg when holding charge on STD Leave ASS and Breach as they are now
8213 Grade No.2 173	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:06:00 - [20] - Quote DS is suggesting a nerf to his own weapon of choice??? It would make little sense, but maybe cut down its damage to infantry? Or just limit the shots/minute. 5-6 shots per minutes sounds fair. To be honest, Forges are powerful as all h*ll, and that's why they are in the Heavy category, but quite frankly, I haven't seen many people dominate the battlefield with them on a consistent basis. I see it more as a practical anti-vehicle weapon over any else.

Medical Crash Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 104	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:07:00 - [21] - Quote Jastad wrote: Why nerf that don't need a weapon when the problem is elsewhere? Back in Cromo the Forge has the same stat as it's now, but that wasn't a problem, so what is changed? When CCP lift the sky limit camper start to jump from joy First make the skyscraper impossible to camp on. I dont know Make it red line, make their roof electric. Leave Us Ground Forgegunners, we don't need a nerf 'cause camper EDIT: this also solve the sniper-camper playstile Good solution, reduce the ceiling cap, but then pilots would complain, so CCP won't do that. FG should not be touched, that's my main concern. Have all these "pros" coming out of the woodwork trying to justify nerfs that aren't needed in the first place.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 122	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:11:00 - [22] - Quote No i don't want ceiling cap, i simply do not want cruppy people can camp on towers. Hell it feel like cheating to kill a tank or infantry from up there. I search the high ground in a fight, but i can kill with the Ass.FORGE at X0 so why i must be punished cause camper?
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 440	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:15:00 - [23] - Quote Basic Forge Gun is fine. The assault variant is the one that's so OP. -XOXO
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 465	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:27:00 - [24] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Not really. Its anti-infantry capabilities are ridiculous. Same on the PROTO end for vehicles.
Cy Clone1 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 215	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:28:00 - [25] - Quote Quote: [quote=8213]DS is suggesting a nerf to his own weapon of choice??? im sure he uses the assault forge. The fix he proposes is for a non issue DUST Fiends idea of having the assaults damage swapped with the charge holding variant is a much better fix
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 601	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:32:00 - [26] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: I get merc'd more by ARs than I do by Forge Guns so I think ARs should be nerfed. Can an AR one shoot you from a tower? Have the range of a sniper? Your logic sucks
Cosgar ParagonX 4455	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:35:00 - [27] - Quote First and foremost, fix draw distance. After that, make FG charging more obvious from 60-100m, make the lightening brighter, the charging louder, whatever, but it has to be something that puts up a big flare to your location. Being on the business end of one of these things and having no idea where the hell the shots are coming from isn't fair.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5822	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:49:00 - [28] - Quote Cosgar wrote: First and foremost, fix draw distance. After that, make FG charging more obvious from 60-100m, make the lightening brighter, the charging louder, whatever, but it has to be something that puts up a big flare to your location. Being on the business end of one of these things and having no idea where the hell the shots are coming from isn't fair. It would be cool if your signature radius spiked as you charged it up
Big miku Nation of Miku 263	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:12:00 - [29] - Quote People who say the splash is OP are just the guys running glass suits. Takes 4 rounds to splash kill a tanked suit at times for me. Maybe ya'll should just use cover better.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 661	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:20:00 - [30] - Quote Change the size of the ball, or at least the part that hits things. It would make infantry harder to hit, while not changing anything to vehicles. This would leave forge gunners to dealing splash damage more often than direct damage to players. Only lucky shots would be direct hits and result in OHKOs There's a proper fix. The reason why Forges are so easy to kill with is because the size of the "bullet" is gigantic. It's like shooting gigantic cannonballs at players.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5822	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:31:00 - [31] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Change the size of the ball, or at least the part that hits things. It would make infantry harder to hit, while not changing anything to vehicles. This would leave forge gunners to dealing splash damage more often than direct damage to players. Only lucky shots would be direct hits and result in OHKOs There's a proper fix. The reason why Forges are so easy to kill with is because the size of the "bullet" is gigantic. It's like shooting gigantic cannonballs at players. This could certainly be valid, as I've never once really found it hard to land direct hits with even the tiniest bit of high ground.
castba Penguin's March 83	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:50:00 - [32] - Quote Jastad wrote: Why nerf that don't need a weapon when the problem is elsewhere? Back in Cromo the Forge has the same stat as it's now, but that wasn't a problem, so what is changed? When CCP lift the sky limit camper start to jump from joy First make the skyscraper impossible to camp on. I dont know Make it red line, make their roof electric. Leave Us Ground Forgegunners, we don't need a nerf 'cause camper EDIT: this also solve the sniper-camper playstile EDIT^2 : Get rid of the militia forge and replace it with militia hmg. And add a feedback dmg when holding charge on STD Leave ASS and Breach as they are now Mostly agree, but I see no issue with splash damage being 10% of the direct damage. Yes I am a forge gunner (ground/ladder). Have been since chrome. Personally would like to see the "hold charge and walk" version removed altogether.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1197	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:52:00 - [33] - Quote if it had fall off it would make sense since its round travels at about 900m/s. now you mean say oh its 7000m/s. bull, that is not true and that needs to be removed. snipers rifles 2500m/s instanta hit, forges you can see the round travel. the way i would have it is assaults is 250 range 1-1.5m splash range,150-180 splash damage, damage fall off starts 150m, standard same range (300m), splash range 1.5-2m, same splash damage, damage falls off starts at 200m breach 450m~range, 2.5-3m splash range, 252-290 splash damage, damage falls off starts at 300m. all other stats remain the same. i know this might get a lot flak for this idea but w/e give purpose back to breach and reduces assault forge snipers.
Cosgar ParagonX 4458	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:58:00 - [34] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cosgar wrote: First and foremost, fix draw distance. After that, make FG charging more obvious from 60-100m, make the lightening brighter, the charging louder, whatever, but it has to be something that puts up a big flare to your location. Being on the business end of one of these things and having no idea where the hell the shots are coming from isn't fair. It would be cool if your signature radius spiked as you charged it up Scanning would have to be legit for that to happen, but unnecessary. Lasers and Mass Drivers draw tons of attention that the FG needs to.
castba Penguin's March 83	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:00:00 - [35] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Basic Forge Gun is fine. The assault variant is the one that's so OP. -XOXO Yeah, because being able to hold a ohk shot for as long as you want while waiting for that red to walk into your target requires so much skill to use. Only time the afg can be considered op is when on a dropship only accessed building, but that is more map design and team tactics than the gun itself.
SIRAJKNIGHT Dakusuri Assassins 184	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:02:00 - [36] - Quote I think a new forge gun is gonna, be released This new forge gun doesn't need a charge and has 10 clip size with 1500 DMG. Reload time is 1 sec Oh yeah and its 755 shots per minute
nakaya indigene 0uter.Heaven 63	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:06:00 - [37] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Not really. Its anti-infantry capabilities are ridiculous. agreed. it is AV not AI
DS 10 Pure Innocence. EoN. 757	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:29:00 - [38] - Quote nakaya indigene wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Not really. Its anti-infantry capabilities are ridiculous. agreed. it is AV not AI It's actually anti-material. Read the description.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 477	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:30:00 - [39] - Quote 3 hit to kill an HAV.
Telleth DUST University Ivy League 115	Posted - 2013.08.21 03:03:00 - [40] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Medical Crash wrote: How bout NO. No nerf needed, stop suggesting unnecessary actions. The Forge Gun is fine as is. Hmmm, DS 10 is one pretty damn good FGer...so maybe if he has a suggestion about a weapon he k ows about...we should not dismiss him...hmmm? lol, DS 10 is a damn good Assault FGer... and this downside does what exactly to an Assault FGer? From another side, I actually do think this is a decent train of thought. What about if it wasn't necessarily while the charge is held, but when the charge is released. The issue most people seem to have is with the assault FG, and what it does more than other FG's is release it's charge. Call it a backblast from the weapon, this keeps FG spamming down on the infantry. Skills to reduce the amount of damage received. Beside, feedback from overheat is an Amarr trait, the FG is railgun/Caldari tech.



Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online/DUST514, the EVE/DUST514 logo, EVE/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to OMG Labs to use EVE Online/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, OMG Labs. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.