I see people complaining about them, but lets back up a bit. If someone has spent their Skillpoints to be survivable, shouldn't they be? The LAV, even in its current form, is far from indestructible. It mostly feeds on the slow and unobservant. Should the driver be punished due to other players being stupid or rewarded due to battlefield awareness and ability to evade AV?

The main reason people have proto AV is because of LLAV's!

First, I don't think running people over -only- is classy. However, I want to go over why the LLAV is as tough as it is.

Its intended use, and the reason I use it, is to support infantry and vehicles in repair, scouting, and harassment. In order to support their fellow players, they need resistance.

You know tahts BS / The reason everybody uses is is to run over people because you cant shoot.

Why you ask?

To prevent their INSTANT DESTRUCTION in the face of Anti-Vehicle fire. Two proto swarmers up high can already destroy them relatively easily. Nerf them, and watch them burn when they attempt to fill their intended role.

NO Lavs stand for >>>LIGHT<<,you should be gratefull you can even wistand a single proto swarm, if it was me making the game 1 of them and you would be out.

Are you asking yourself why you don't see more filling this role? Great you asked. It is because CCP has no idea what it is doing when it comes to accumulating vehicle WPs. No scan assist WPs, no shield or armor rep WPs, nothing. The only WPs an LAV driver can get is if its turret gunner is VERY lucky, or if it runs people over. I run an LLAV sparingly just because I like helping people, knowing that I will probably be very near the bottom.

BS , every single person with an LLAV says the same. I've never seen ANYONE do anything else except running people over.

I see people complaining about them, but lets back up a bit. If someone has spent their Skillpoints to be survivable, shouldn't they be? The LAV, even in its current form, is far from indestructible. It mostly feeds on the slow and unobservant. Should the driver be punished due to other players being stupid or rewarded due to battlefield awareness and ability to evade AV?

1 thing is survivable.(1-2 Proto AV should be enough)
ANOTHER thing is a LLAVs taking on a TANKs.
Things are broken. They can take 3 Proximity mines and a forge gun and still run away.
Dont cover this with your murder taxi driver tears, it wont work.

I don't Murder Taxi. Ask anyone within EON. I run tanks and dropships. However; I tired of infantry moaning whenever an effective vehicle is fielded. Our dropships became novelties (which I still fly) which make little isk and little sp while filling only a minor role on the field while simultaneously costing over a million isk just to be effective. The tanks (which I like) are devastating versus infantry, but can be run off with a fierceness. AV versus tanks are more balanced than AV versus dropships, but only barely. Now they want to nerf the LLAV and permanently return to the chromosome days when LAVs were coffins on wheels every match?

ASK anyone within EON?
What makes you think i will take the word of the people PLAYING with you. LOL
Yes. I liked the coffins on wheels. You used them to move to a position and then leave it there.
LLAVs where used as healing barricades, BUT THATS IT....

Teamwork, intelligence, and flexibility. Something that is sorely lacking in this online community.

Removing roadkills would completely balance the LAV. They can have their HP they need to repair in combat, abusing that HP to run over squads at a time is blasphemous.

Why does everyone throw AV nades at a chary, they are shield tank, AV nades do less damage against shields as well as dealing with the LLAV's naturally high resists.

Have to use flux or forge to put an actual dent in them, though it is rather difficult (impossible) to hit two of either on the LLAV. When people complain about hard to kill LLAV's they normally mean the chary, not the limbus.

This:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103172&find=unread

done move on.

REAL LAV users happy with their immortal LAVs

Infantry Happy cuz they dont get cheap killed...

Excuse me but, have you actually tried to "hit" a LLAV with a flux gernade? Unless you are so damn lucky or the LLAV driver is so damn stuipid you are never going to get it to happen more then once. AV means ANTI VEHICLE, that means ALL vehicles not just some or tanks or dropships, it means that it should be effective against all vehicles through the use of hybrid damage or if they have to make a anti vehicle damage or whatever they got to do.

The shield LLAV is the major problem and the one nearly everyone (unless your a murder taxi) wants to nerf, because swarm missiles can't do much to them, neither can AV and most times proxy fail as well, they even take getting hit with a forge gun better then most tanks.

Also, lets say I actually did hit a chary with a flux gernade, it still is not all the shield's hp, I could completely destroy all the shields on the chary and it wouldn't matter, cause all they have to do is flip on a module and 5 pulses later, near full shields again they can even do this while driving away at full speed. That is if they just don't let the very high passive shield regen work its magic.

Lets be honest, they most likely are never going to fully drop out the run over damage of a vehicle to infintry, they'll change it but getting rid of it...not going to wait on that one. That the only one really taking advantage of this is the Chary, and most other vehicles are still actually under powered or not playing into the role of what they should be.

The solution to road skills should be proxy mines if a llav tries to run you down bait him into a proxy mine or two.

Excuse me but, have you actually tried to "hit" a LLAV with a flux gernade? Unless you are so damn lucky or the LLAV driver is so damn stuipid you are never going to get it to happen more then once. AV means ANTI VEHICLE, that means ALL vehicles not just some or tanks or dropships, it means that it should be effective against all vehicles through the use of hybrid damage or if they have to make a anti vehicle damage or whatever they got to do.

The shield LLAV is the major problem and the one nearly everyone (unless your a murder taxi) wants to nerf, because swarm missiles can't do much to them, neither can AV and most times proxy fail as well, they even take getting hit with a forge gun better then most tanks.

Also, lets say I actually did hit a chary with a flux gernade, it still is not all the shield's hp, I could completely destroy all the shields on the chary and it wouldn't matter, cause all they have to do is flip on a module and 5 pulses later, near full shields again they can even do this while driving away at full speed. That is if they just don't let the very high passive shield regen work its magic.

Lets be honest, they most likely are never going to fully drop out the run over damage of a vehicle to infintry, they'll change it but getting rid of it...not going to wait on that one. That the only one really taking advantage of this is the Chary, and most other vehicles are still actually under powered or not playing into the role of what they should be.

I'd say leave the tanking alone, make them slower, rework the remote reps and WP rewards, and add some more collision damage, similar to the levels that tanks recieve from walls and those damn lamp posts, and you're done.

Well i've tried teamwork as AV's with a Proto forge gunner.I use ADV swarms with 2 cx damage mods.

He shoots LLAVs , -+ shield gone. My swarms hit. Shield close to depleting. LLAV is gone.
The thing is , NOT ONLY they are more resilient than tanks , but are effectively fast and hard to hit. OF COURSE they need a nerf.


-1 to this thread of murder taxi driver QQ because he's getting nerfed.

OP describes perfectly resonable role for LLAV's

OP either is ignorant of how the qualities that make it okay for that role can be repurposed for another role entirely.

That or OP argues for the first role as a way of keeping the second one, while pretending to be reasonable.

Perfectly reasonable role is perfectly reasonable.

Realise that as it's done now, it also allows it to perform other roles which are stupidly OP.

Can't see the other role? Not being support, but instead a nigh untouchable killing machine? That's either ignorance or actually being dishonest with the rest of us.