DUST Search - LAVs are not as Easy-mode as people make it out to be.

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Mary Sedillo wrote:

First, I don't think running people over -only- is classy. However, I want to go over why the LLAV is as tough as it is.

Its intended use, and the reason I use it, is to support infantry and vehicles in repair, scouting, and harassment. In order to support their fellow players, they need resistance.

You know tahts BS / The reason everybody uses is is to run over people because you cant shoot.

Why you ask?

To prevent their INSTANT DESTRUCTION in the face of Anti-Vehicle fire. Two proto swarmers up high can already destroy them relatively easily. Nerf them, and watch them burn when they attempt to fill their intended role.

NO Lavs stand for >>>LIGHT<<,you should be gratefull you can even wistand a single proto swarm, if it was me making the game 1 of them and you would be out.

Are you asking yourself why you don't see more filling this role? Great you asked. It is because CCP has no idea what it is doing when it comes to accumulating vehicle WPs. No scan assist WPs, no shield or armor rep WPs, nothing. The only WPs an LAV driver can get is if its turret gunner is VERY lucky, or if it runs people over. I run an LLAV sparingly just because I like helping people, knowing that I will probably be very near the bottom.

BS , every single person with an LLAV says the same. I've never seen ANYONE do anything else except running people over.

I see people complaining about them, but lets back up a bit. If someone has spent their Skillpoints to be survivable, shouldn't they be? The LAV, even in its current form, is far from indestructible. It mostly feeds on the slow and unobservant. Should the driver be punished due to other players being stupid or rewarded due to battlefield awareness and ability to evade AV?

1 thing is survivable.(1-2 Proto AV should be enough)
ANOTHER thing is a LLAVs taking on a TANKs.
Things are broken. They can take 3 Proximity mines and a forge gun and still run away.
Dont cover this with your murder taxi driver tears, it wont work.

I don't Murder Taxi. Ask anyone within EON. I run tanks and dropships. However; I tired of infantry moaning whenever an effective vehicle is fielded. Our dropships became novelties (which I still fly) which make little isk and little sp while filling only a minor role on the field while simultaneously costing over a million isk just to be effective. The tanks (which I like) are devastating versus infantry, but can be run off with a fierceness. AV versus tanks are more balanced than AV versus dropships, but only barely. Now they want to nerf the LLAV and permanently return to the chromosome days when LAVs were coffins on wheels every match?

ASK anyone within EON?
What makes you think i will take the word of the people PLAYING with you. LOL
Yes. I liked the coffins on wheels. You used them to move to a position and then leave it there.
LLAVs where used as healing barricades, BUT THATS IT....

Teamwork, intelligence, and flexibility. Something that is sorely lacking in this online community.

Well i've tried teamwork as AV's with a Proto forge gunner.I use ADV swarms with 2 cx damage mods.

He shoots LLAVs , -+ shield gone. My swarms hit. Shield close to depleting. LLAV is gone.
The thing is , NOT ONLY they are more resilient than tanks , but are effectively fast and hard to hit. OF COURSE they need a nerf.

-1 to this thread of murder taxi driver QQ because he's getting nerfed.


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Mary Sedillo Pure Innocence. EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.08.19 19:36:00 - [1] - Quote First, I don't think running people over -only- is classy. However, I want to go over why the LLAV is as tough as it is. Its intended use, and the reason I use it, is to support infantry and vehicles in repair, scouting, and harassment. In order to support their fellow players, they need resistance. Why you ask? To prevent their INSTANT DESTRUCTION in the face of Anti-Vehicle fire. Two proto swarmers up high can already destroy them relatively easily. Nerf them, and watch them burn when they attempt to fill their intended role. Are you asking yourself why you don't see more filling this role? Great you asked. It is because CCP has no idea what it is doing when it comes to accumulating vehicle WPs. No scan assist WPs, no shield or armor rep WPs, nothing. The only WPs an LAV driver can get is if its turret gunner is VERY lucky, or if it runs people over. I run an LLAV sparingly just because I like helping people, knowing that I will probably be very near the bottom. I see people complaining about them, but lets back up a bit. If someone has spent their Skillpoints to be survivable, shouldn't they be? The LAV, even in its current form, is far from indestructible. It mostly feeds on the slow and unobservant. Should the driver be punished due to other players being stupid or rewarded due to battlefield awareness and ability to evade AV? I don't Murder Taxi. Ask anyone within EON. I run tanks and dropships. However; I tired of infantry moaning whenever an effective vehicle is fielded. Our dropships became novelties (which I still fly) which make little isk and little sp while filling only a minor role on the field while simultaneously costing over a million isk just to be effective. The tanks (which I like) are devastating versus infantry, but can be run off with a fierceness. AV versus tanks are more balanced than AV versus dropships, but only barely. Now they want to nerf the LLAV and permanently return to the chromosome days when LAVs were coffins on wheels every match? Teamwork, intelligence, and flexibility. Something that is sorely lacking in this online community.
Mary Sedillo Pure Innocence. EoN. 234	Posted - 2013.08.21 03:51:00 - [2] - Quote Whoa, you guys don't know me. I run pre-dominantly tanks and dropships. I don't 'murder taxi' unless bored or feel suicidal. As one of the few good tankers still sticking it out and has adapted to the current level of AV, I damn well expect the infantry to adapt to the vehicles as well.
Mary Sedillo Pure Innocence. EoN. 234	Posted - 2013.08.21 03:55:00 - [3] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: First, I don't think running people over -only- is classy. However, I want to go over why the LLAV is as tough as it is. Its intended use, and the reason I use it, is to support infantry and vehicles in repair, scouting, and harassment. In order to support their fellow players, they need resistance. You know tahts BS / The reason everybody uses is is to run over people because you cant shoot. Why you ask? To prevent their INSTANT DESTRUCTION in the face of Anti-Vehicle fire. Two proto swarmers up high can already destroy them relatively easily. Nerf them, and watch them burn when they attempt to fill their intended role. NO Lavs stand for >>>LIGHT<<,you should be gratefull you can even wistand a single proto swarm, if it was me making the game 1 of them and you would be out. Are you asking yourself why you don't see more filling this role? Great you asked. It is because CCP has no idea what it is doing when it comes to accumulating vehicle WPs. No scan assist WPs, no shield or armor rep WPs, nothing. The only WPs an LAV driver can get is if its turret gunner is VERY lucky, or if it runs people over. I run an LLAV sparingly just because I like helping people, knowing that I will probably be very near the bottom. BS , every single person with an LLAV says the same. I've never seen ANYONE do anything else except running people over. I see people complaining about them, but lets back up a bit. If someone has spent their Skillpoints to be survivable, shouldn't they be? The LAV, even in its current form, is far from indestructible. It mostly feeds on the slow and unobservant. Should the driver be punished due to other players being stupid or rewarded due to battlefield awareness and ability to evade AV? 1 thing is survivable.(1-2 Proto AV should be enough) ANOTHER thing is a LLAVs taking on a TANKs. Things are broken. They can take 3 Proximity mines and a forge gun and still run away. Dont cover this with your murder taxi driver tears, it wont work. I don't Murder Taxi. Ask anyone within EON. I run tanks and dropships. However; I tired of infantry moaning whenever an effective vehicle is fielded. Our dropships became novelties (which I still fly) which make little isk and little sp while filling only a minor role on the field while simultaneously costing over a million isk just to be effective. The tanks (which I like) are devastating versus infantry, but can be run off with a fierceness. AV versus tanks are more balanced than AV versus dropships, but only barely. Now they want to nerf the LLAV and permanently return to the chromosome days when LAVs were coffins on wheels every match? ASK anyone within EON? What makes you think i will take the word of the people PLAYING with you. LOL Yes. I liked the coffins on wheels. You used them to move to a position and then leave it there. LLAVs where used as healing barricades, BUT THATS IT.... Teamwork, intelligence, and flexibility. Something that is sorely lacking in this online community. Well i've tried teamwork as AV's with a Proto forge gunner.I use ADV swarms with 2 cx damage mods. He shoots LLAVs , -+ shield gone. My swarms hit. Shield close to depleting. LLAV is gone. The thing is , NOT ONLY they are more resilient than tanks , but are effectively fast and hard to hit. OF COURSE they need a nerf. -1 to this thread of murder taxi driver QQ because he's getting nerfed. Not a LLAV killer. Often, my tank is the thing that keeps the LLAVs at bay, killing them. My tank can handle the hits AND with the turrets I can project my force farther, harder, and more effectively than a bumper in PCs. Ask my mates in EON what I do, and they will tell you, "That ****** tanks." The last thing they equate with me is Murder Taxi tactics... I say don't nerf the LAVs and give vehicle operators WPs for support roles and you will notice more LLAVs actually filling a Logistics role. I run LLAVs and "Logi" tank fits (though I prefer my other tanks). I am a team player and that is why I am where I am.
Mary Sedillo Pure Innocence. EoN. 234	Posted - 2013.08.21 04:02:00 - [4] - Quote Blake Kingston wrote: OP describes perfectly resonable role for LLAV's OP either is ignorant of how the qualities that make it okay for that role can be repurposed for another role entirely. That or OP argues for the first role as a way of keeping the second one, while pretending to be reasonable. Perfectly reasonable role is perfectly reasonable. Realise that as it's done now, it also allows it to perform other roles which are stupidly OP. Can't see the other role? Not being support, but instead a nigh untouchable killing machine? That's either ignorance or actually being dishonest with the rest of us. I support rebalancing of impact damage based on speed of impact. I support LAVs taking damage proportionate to the type of suit hitting (nothing ridiculous, but make it where drivers have to think about the hit. I don't support nerfing their survivability, because without it it would be ENTIRELY too easy to take out.