Only reason I've 3 shot a tank with AV is becUse the player didn't build their tank right. Tanks are jst fine, it depends on the player to fit them right.

With a breach forge I can deal over 3000 damage per shot, I 3 shot tanks with AV even if they do fit their tank right :)

There is no "right" way to fit a tank, when you consider the normal Shield Tank will have about 5400 Shields and 1250 Armor or an Armor Tank with 1250 Shields and 6700 Armor, due to the **** resists a HAV has it will die quickly to its dedicated type of AV (Forge for Shields, Swarms for Armor)

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I think you're blowing the whole breach forge gun thing out of proportion. To get a 3 shot with a breach, a tank has to sit in the same spot for at least 18 seconds. A forge gunner can't move while charging a breach forge gun. If you die to a solo breach forge gun just stop tanking.

I'm not sure what knowledge of vehicles I need to know other than two things:

1) They can kill me easily by shooting me or running me over
2) They dun like Lai Dais being chucked their way

tanks cant run you over and AV grenades are OP and so is AFG....

So to stop tanks they must skill into vehicles just as much as a tanker then into av, no thanks.
also as a comparison in real life thw u.s. military can 1 shot tanks

I see lots of posts about x player doing a tank and y player blowing the tank up in 3 hits, then y player complains tanks are too strong cause they can't kill then in one shot...

Most of these ridiculous arguments arise because the AV specialists know .... Nothing ... About the vehicle skill tree.

If these people had to gain knowledge of the target they want to take down, they should have to dig into the tree of their intended target to do so.
Hybridized skill lines if you would.
The weapons tree holds the proficiency and use of the weapons like normal but the damage bonuses for checking type of vehicle would be on that vehicle itself.

So if you teched into LAV you'd get bonus to that, but not Dropships or HAV. And the same would be with the other vehicle trees.

This would mean that regular AV would have reduced effect until they learned about how to damage the vehicles.

I mean who has more knowledge about how a vehicle can fall apart than the technicians themselves?

And we can move Forge Guns into the Turret Skill tree. Can't wait for that juicy ten percent damage bonus unlike current dead weight Weaponry Skill Tree.

Only reason I've 3 shot a tank with AV is becUse the player didn't build their tank right. Tanks are jst fine, it depends on the player to fit them right.

I think you're blowing the whole breach forge gun thing out of proportion. To get a 3 shot with a breach, a tank has to sit in the same spot for at least 18 seconds. A forge gunner can't move while charging a breach forge gun. If you die to a solo breach forge gun just stop tanking.

I see lots of posts about x player doing a tank and y player blowing the tank up in 3 hits, then y player complains tanks are too strong cause they can't kill then in one shot...

Most of these ridiculous arguments arise because the AV specialists know .... Nothing ... About the vehicle skill tree.

If these people had to gain knowledge of the target they want to take down, they should have to dig into the tree of their intended target to do so.
Hybridized skill lines if you would.
The weapons tree holds the proficiency and use of the weapons like normal but the damage bonuses for checking type of vehicle would be on that vehicle itself.

So if you teched into LAV you'd get bonus to that, but not Dropships or HAV. And the same would be with the other vehicle trees.

This would mean that regular AV would have reduced effect until they learned about how to damage the vehicles.

I mean who has more knowledge about how a vehicle can fall apart than the technicians themselves?

You obviously haven't been on here long. Of course you can move while charging the breach forge.

You obviously haven't been on here long. Of course you can move while charging the breach forge.

Dear God in heaven, this is the WORST proposal for balance ever.

In order to AV you must drive Vehicles... WHAT?!?!?!?!?!

Put the crackpipe down while I educate you about antitank infantry. they do not go and spend time learning to drive the machines they blow up. they learn to identify the enemy vehicles by silhouette and shape, and where to shoot them to blow holes in the side that cause overpressure to squirt the crew out through a hole the size of a quarter, like a fast-pour frostee machine.

Most antitank infantry know **** all about using turrets. They know where to hit the tank to make that turret pop off and fly fifty feet into the air though.

and more to the point, exactly how is being forcedg to learn turrets to use heavy weapons FUN? Is there fun factor for the AV player?

Here's what an AV player needs to know:

What is that?
Is it hostile?
do I have a weapon that can kill it?

If you correctly answer all three questions, you shoot it in the butt (weakspot) and watch it burn!

Tinfoil hat materiel

I think you're blowing the whole breach forge gun thing out of proportion. To get a 3 shot with a breach, a tank has to sit in the same spot for at least 18 seconds. A forge gunner can't move while charging a breach forge gun. If you die to a solo breach forge gun just stop tanking.

Give me a forge gun as a small turret and we have a deal.

You obviously haven't been on here long. Of course you can move while charging the breach forge.

if thats the case then the breach FG has changed :P.. you never could move whilst charging or charged.

/awk

A wonderous example of why my suggestion would be great just stuck his head out folks!

As it is the community is so polarized that some people are outright expressing their fear of such an idea. The largest argument points regarding this rift are the number of SP needed to run both options and the price. With this option in place the SP required would be a bit more balanced.

Where does the fear come in you ask? It comes from that AV er who might want that extra damage so they skill into tanks... Only to get curious and try to fit a tank, and field it. Currently most of the arguments stem from absolute denial of the use of vehicles-- the mentality only holds as long as they can keep their illusions of vehicles as being disastrous on the field... But if they were to use the vehicles themselves and find otherwise... Their entire line of argument would be invalidated by their experience.

Thus they fear the possibility of being wrong... And claw tooth and nail to the concepts they have created.

My suggestion of the hybridized trees would help to shatter some irrational mindsets-- by making the possibility of seeing from both AV and vehicular sides possible.
It would likewise bring the vehicular side closer to the AV side so that discussions could become more balanced.

It's almost like the post was so legitimate that the trolls couldn't think of anything to reply with?
Logical concepts stem the tide of trolls?!

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It's more likely the suggestion os so dumb it warranted no response.

I have proto swarms and proficiency 5 in them. It takes about 3 seconds to lock onto a vehicle, and after firing a shot about 3 more before I can even hold down the button to try to lock again. A properly fitted tank takes about 5 swarms to kill.... IF they don't repp. My PROTO SWARM vs. a STANDARD TANK can take anywhere from 4-10 shots to kill. And any tanker whose been a tanker long enough to know how to fit one right and put the SP in to do so knows how to get away before I am able to take him out. The only times I am able to take out a really well fitted tank is if I get the drop on him after he get's isolated.

Problems vehicle people who complain about AV have trouble understanding:

1. You are a support vehicle, you suppress and intimidate, you do not solo run without support.

2. Swarms CAN fly at you from across the field, but with that much travel time and delay between shots you have PLENTY of time to find a place to repp in safety unless you leave yourself wide open.

3. AV grenades DO lock onto you, but can only be thrown so far. Nowhere near as far as your blaster/rail//missile turret can fire. If you don't like them, KEEP YOUR DISTANCE.

4. Swarms don't auto follow you around corners, that's actually just an illusion. They track with a slight veer to the location where you were locked onto at while they head towards your current location. When they come within a certain distance of you however they become much more aggressive and track you much more tightly. Also, when fired, they travel outwards a set distance before tracking their target, which is what most people complain about when they mention "tracking around corners".

5. The damage our AV does is not the damage our weapons say they do. You have to factor in all of your damage resistance modules and passive skills in first, as well as our proficiency skills and damage mods when applicable.

When they DO come out with ADV and PROTO tanks again god help us, because it's almost impossible to put away a well fit STD tank now without at least 2 PROTO AV guys on it, preferably 3.