DUST Search - CCP, you are fail at map design

Argon Gas wrote:

Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:

Argon Gas wrote:

Naedeus wrote:

Argon Gas wrote:

You're forgetting the part where the sniper is in a position that I can't reach.

There are plenty of ways to take out an enemy sniper. You just need to know the right spot, or the right technique. You don't have to sneak up on a sniper each and every time to kill him or her. You can counter snipe, drop an orbital, use a rail tank, a forge gun, or even an assault dropship / normal dropship.

Or you can have a bunch of blues surround the console so you can hack. That tends to work well, and the sniper will only be able to get two or three by the time it's hacked - depending on how good the sniper is.

Counter snipe ---> Countering a sniper with a sniper, definiton of OP
Drop on orbital ---> Use 2500 WP on a temporary removal of the sniper
Use a rail tank ---> Use dumb design to fix dumb design, great
A forge gun ----> Ditto
Dropship ---> :|

Ignore them and just make sure to have all of the other objectives instead of going for that last one or hack the objective they're guarding with 5 people.

And sniper rifles are OP because they have the range of sniper rifles?

It was on domination...
There is only one objective :\

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Ren Ratner Infinite Raiders 58	Posted - 2013.08.16 22:46:00 - [31] - Quote I am rarely frustrated by snipers. First of all, redline snipers get terrible shots. They're typicallly so far away from you that you look like an ant. They're only going to land a headshot while you're standing still. Don't run around in their line of fire if you know where they are... that's called feeding. Redline snipers limit their options enough that I don't care when I'm occasionally taken out by one. They're typically more concerned with their K/D ratio than they are with helping their team, so they don't move around the map much. Your team should have a sniper on it, you don't have to switch to a sniper rifle when you could just as easily communicate with your team to inform them of the redline sniper whose head is just waiting for your team's sniper to put a hole in it. There are plenty of counters to redline sniping, you just refuse to acknowledge or see them.
Interplanetary Insanitarium Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 145	Posted - 2013.08.16 22:47:00 - [32] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Naedeus wrote: Argon Gas wrote: You're forgetting the part where the sniper is in a position that I can't reach. There are plenty of ways to take out an enemy sniper. You just need to know the right spot, or the right technique. You don't have to sneak up on a sniper each and every time to kill him or her. You can counter snipe, drop an orbital, use a rail tank, a forge gun, or even an assault dropship / normal dropship. Or you can have a bunch of blues surround the console so you can hack. That tends to work well, and the sniper will only be able to get two or three by the time it's hacked - depending on how good the sniper is. Counter snipe ---> Countering a sniper with a sniper, definiton of OP Drop on orbital ---> Use 2500 WP on a temporary removal of the sniper Use a rail tank ---> Use dumb design to fix dumb design, great A forge gun ----> Ditto Dropship ---> :\| Ignore them and just make sure to have all of the other objectives instead of going for that last one or hack the objective they're guarding with 5 people. And sniper rifles are OP because they have the range of sniper rifles? It was on domination... There is only one objective :\ Then hack it with a bunch of people. You'll hack it much faster and the sniper won't be able to kill everyone hacking it... again, make sure you have heavies with you because they're pretty great at tanking sniper fire.. even if it's only by a couple more hits anyone behind the heavy will still be able to finish the hack.
Ren Ratner Infinite Raiders 58	Posted - 2013.08.16 22:49:00 - [33] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: the worse part are snipers with 7k armor camping in red zone up in the mountains Wanna **** that guy off? Use teamwork and make a coordinated strike against him. Yeah, he'll back up and recharge his shields/armor if you blast him with a FG, but he can't do that if you blast him with several FGs at once. Teamwork makes shooters exponentially more fun.
Interplanetary Insanitarium Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 145	Posted - 2013.08.16 22:55:00 - [34] - Quote Ren Ratner wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: the worse part are snipers with 7k armor camping in red zone up in the mountains Wanna **** that guy off? Use teamwork and make a coordinated strike against him. Yeah, he'll back up and recharge his shields/armor if you blast him with a FG, but he can't do that if you blast him with several FGs at once. Teamwork makes shooters exponentially more fun. But even making them back up takes them out of the fight for as long as you do that.... I've made a bunch of people just recall their tanks because I was being annoying with an FG which, while it isn't as satisfying as blowing that sucker up, does help my team out in the long run.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 127	Posted - 2013.08.16 22:58:00 - [35] - Quote Ren Ratner wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: the worse part are snipers with 7k armor camping in red zone up in the mountains Wanna **** that guy off? Use teamwork and make a coordinated strike against him. Yeah, he'll back up and recharge his shields/armor if you blast him with a FG, but he can't do that if you blast him with several FGs at once. Teamwork makes shooters exponentially more fun. yes cuz i have time to do that when objectives are being taken all over the map and waste a OS on a annoying prick instead of an enemy crowded area tanks up in the mountains in red zone are pricks and failures in RL
Wombat in combat Ancient Exiles 77	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:21:00 - [36] - Quote You counter this by speed hacking 3 together. The sniper will take one out, two if he's good but the third one will get the hack. Now you have forced the sniper to relocate.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 723	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:25:00 - [37] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Naedeus wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Who the **** thought it's a good idea to let snipers lock down objectives from the redline, where they're untouchable? I thought that's what the sniper's job was. Lock down a specific location to prevent enemies from taking it. Sure. But you should ALWAYS, NO EXCEPTIONS, be able to sneak up on them and blow them to bits. If they can sit in the redline and still do that, then that's just fail. CCP just fundamentally disagrees bro. They've stated that they want to enable 'long-range gameplay' which means snipers, rales, forge counter other snipers, rails, forge. You dislike something that is not a flaw, it is by design. You dislike their design. You dislike CCP. Why do you hate them so much? They just want you to love them.
Rage Racer DUST University Ivy League 5	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:28:00 - [38] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Who the **** thought it's a good idea to let snipers lock down objectives from the redline, where they're untouchable? Edit: Counter snipe is no excuse. That's pretty much the definiton of OP, a weapon that can only be countered by itself. Hey, lets make a game with no limits to the amount of snipers per team and include lots of open areas with very few cover. Well, sounds like a fantastic idea.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion 1195	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:01:00 - [39] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Tiercide. Do you really have to spam this in completely unrelated threads? Apologies for being as inconsiderate in my post as the thread title is towards CCP.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2013.08.17 13:17:00 - [40] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Naedeus wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Who the **** thought it's a good idea to let snipers lock down objectives from the redline, where they're untouchable? I thought that's what the sniper's job was. Lock down a specific location to prevent enemies from taking it. Sure. But you should ALWAYS, NO EXCEPTIONS, be able to sneak up on them and blow them to bits. If they can sit in the redline and still do that, then that's just fail. CCP just fundamentally disagrees bro. They've stated that they want to enable 'long-range gameplay' which means snipers, rales, forge counter other snipers, rails, forge. You dislike something that is not a flaw, it is by design. You dislike their design. You dislike CCP. Why do you hate them so much? They just want you to love them. I'm fine with long range. I'm not fine with redline. It's against their risk vs reward.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3602	Posted - 2013.08.17 13:24:00 - [41] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Who the **** thought it's a good idea to let snipers lock down objectives from the redline, where they're untouchable? Edit: Counter snipe is no excuse. That's pretty much the definiton of OP, a weapon that can only be countered by itself. If you think snipers overlooking objectives is your main concern, wait until you see me with my knives. Actually, you won't see me... because I will be hiding somewhere and then be right behind you driving a plasma-based knife into your thick and heavy armor in one blow towards the backside when you think you are safe to hack. I camp objectives within my knives like a venus fly trap on an insect.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2013.08.17 13:25:00 - [42] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Who the **** thought it's a good idea to let snipers lock down objectives from the redline, where they're untouchable? Edit: Counter snipe is no excuse. That's pretty much the definiton of OP, a weapon that can only be countered by itself. If you think snipers overlooking objectives is your main concern, wait until you see me with my knives. Actually, you won't see me... because I will be hiding somewhere and then be right behind you driving a plasma-based knife into your thick and heavy armor in one blow towards the backside when you think you are safe to hack. I camp objectives within my knives like a venus fly trap on an insect. Too bad I run proto scanners :3
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3602	Posted - 2013.08.17 13:46:00 - [43] - Quote Argon Gas wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Argon Gas wrote: Who the **** thought it's a good idea to let snipers lock down objectives from the redline, where they're untouchable? Edit: Counter snipe is no excuse. That's pretty much the definiton of OP, a weapon that can only be countered by itself. If you think snipers overlooking objectives is your main concern, wait until you see me with my knives. Actually, you won't see me... because I will be hiding somewhere and then be right behind you driving a plasma-based knife into your thick and heavy armor in one blow towards the backside when you think you are safe to hack. I camp objectives within my knives like a venus fly trap on an insect. Too bad I run proto scanners :3 Profile dampening FTW!
Lazy Scumbag The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 27	Posted - 2013.08.18 11:38:00 - [44] - Quote Maps need more thought. We fight for control of buildings with no roofs on barren landscapes scattered with containers. Hint: create areas where roles have a purpose, since we are supposed to specialize, maybe then people could figure out the proper use for their fits. Why are stairs LAV accessible?
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1675	Posted - 2013.08.18 11:43:00 - [45] - Quote Redline sniping and the redline in general is a bunch of crap. It has ruined skirmish/dom.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 586	Posted - 2013.08.18 12:44:00 - [46] - Quote Let's not forget the redline railgun sniper tanks. At least an infantry sniper you can kill. A tank just backs up ten feet behind a hill and he's safe.
ThePlanetside2Bomber Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:04:00 - [47] - Quote You didnt know? Redline sniping is a valid tactic, and it would take 6 months to fix anyways.


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