DUST Search - Wow... really? LLAV's.

Karazantor wrote:

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Goodness these things are out of control, not sure if they are glitched or what, but unless under constant heavy AV from several players all at once, they are invincible.

I knew these things were already like that, but now I am even more convinced something is terribly wrong. I just got out of an ambush match on the bowl map... and as usual LLAV's and LAV's EVERYWHERE. So I bring in my advanced assault forge with an enhanced damage mod.

So there is this one LLAV that I got a direct hit on and got the marker (saw their health drop too as I hit them), but the thing is, their health dropped so minimally, I almost couldn't even tell it was damaged. And just after I hit I got a look at their shield health... it was almost 1500 HP.

How the **** can a 1500-1700 HP LLAV take 1600+ HP damage from a forge and just barely get it's shields scratched? There is something terribly wrong with these LLAV's that goes beyond hardeners and resistance mods. I haven't even come across a tank that was so invulnerable to damage as these damn LLAV's are.

Clearly you don't know how to play the game too well, learn strategy!

I've been informed that how its done is to have your entire side use AV for the first 10-15 minutes of the game, and then that LLAV is neutralized and you can do whatever else you need to do i.e. move onto the next LLAV on that side.

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DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 999	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:06:00 - [1] - Quote Goodness these things are out of control, not sure if they are glitched or what, but unless under constant heavy AV from several players all at once, they are invincible. I knew these things were already like that, but now I am even more convinced something is terribly wrong. I just got out of an ambush match on the bowl map... and as usual LLAV's and LAV's EVERYWHERE. So I bring in my advanced assault forge with an enhanced damage mod. So there is this one LLAV that I got a direct hit on and got the marker (saw their health drop too as I hit them), but the thing is, their health dropped so minimally, I almost couldn't even tell it was damaged. And just after I hit I got a look at their shield health... it was almost 1500 HP. How the ** can a 1500-1700 HP LLAV take 1600+ HP damage from a forge and just barely** get it's shields scratched? There is something terribly wrong with these LLAV's that goes beyond hardeners and resistance mods. I haven't even come across a tank that was so invulnerable to damage as these damn LLAV's are.
Midas Fool Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 150	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:10:00 - [2] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Goodness these things are out of control, not sure if they are glitched or what, but unless under constant heavy AV from several players all at once, they are invincible. I knew these things were already like that, but now I am even more convinced something is terribly wrong. I just got out of an ambush match on the bowl map... and as usual LLAV's and LAV's EVERYWHERE. So I bring in my advanced assault forge with an enhanced damage mod. So there is this one LLAV that I got a direct hit on and got the marker (saw their health drop too as I hit them), but the thing is, their health dropped so minimally, I almost couldn't even tell it was damaged. And just after I hit I got a look at their shield health... it was almost 1500 HP. How the ** can a 1500-1700 HP LLAV take 1600+ HP damage from a forge and just barely** get it's shields scratched? There is something terribly wrong with these LLAV's that goes beyond hardeners and resistance mods. I haven't even come across a tank that was so invulnerable to damage as these damn LLAV's are. 1. You're 100% on the money. It's a problem. 2. It's received a lot of attention and a fix is probably on the way because 3. You're about 2 weeks late to the party.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 868	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:11:00 - [3] - Quote Resists. 30% base resist. 10% from skill. Another 10% from skill (although unless they recently fixed this, it's not working). Then factor in resist modules on top of that. A LLAV can easily have 60-70% resist. A LLAV with 3-4k shields and around 50% resist isn't unlikely either. I wonder if CCP forgot it's a Logistics Light Attack Vehicle?
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 202	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:15:00 - [4] - Quote You're doing it wrong. Use the Kaalakiota Forge Gun and shoot the guy out of the driver seat. You gain so much more accuracy by being able to hold the charge. Only use the assault forge guns when trying to take out an HAV.
TEBOW BAGGINS Rebel Raiders Inc. 876	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:16:00 - [5] - Quote cant beat em join em
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1119	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:17:00 - [6] - Quote Most peoples issues with the LLAV is the Caldari LAV. Gallente LLAVs are a challenge to take out but they are much easier due to the amount of AV weapons that is made specifically to destroy armor. Currently there are no Anti Shield AV weapons in this game (the Forge gun is not AV shield) As much as I hate Caldari LLAVs running all over the place I think the issue will be solved once LAVs return to their old mechanics of taking slight damage when hitting dropsuits and slow down on impact (depending on speed and frame). The current ways LAVs work is confirmed as a malfunction in their coding or whatever and plans to be fixed (SOON) Another thing that will make Caldari LLAVs more manageable is the introduction of Anti Shield AV weapons (Here's looking at you Gallente and Amarr) hopefully with those we can do damage to the C. LLAVs of 80-130% damage instead of the 40% effectiveness that we do now against Caldari with the AV weapons (besides Forge)
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 232	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:19:00 - [7] - Quote LAVs get a skill for extra resistance, vehicle shield upgrades is also 10% resistance, 3 complex shield amplifiers also get 15% each but get stacking penalties, but get increased efficiency through shield adaptation and the LAV skill, and an active hardener for another 30% resistance(+efficiencies...), plus the shields inherent resistance to explosives, while FGs only do 10% extra damage to shields.... +the shields passive rep, repping its small HP pool doesn't take long... i think u get the picture.
Karazantor Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:23:00 - [8] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Goodness these things are out of control, not sure if they are glitched or what, but unless under constant heavy AV from several players all at once, they are invincible. I knew these things were already like that, but now I am even more convinced something is terribly wrong. I just got out of an ambush match on the bowl map... and as usual LLAV's and LAV's EVERYWHERE. So I bring in my advanced assault forge with an enhanced damage mod. So there is this one LLAV that I got a direct hit on and got the marker (saw their health drop too as I hit them), but the thing is, their health dropped so minimally, I almost couldn't even tell it was damaged. And just after I hit I got a look at their shield health... it was almost 1500 HP. How the ** can a 1500-1700 HP LLAV take 1600+ HP damage from a forge and just barely** get it's shields scratched? There is something terribly wrong with these LLAV's that goes beyond hardeners and resistance mods. I haven't even come across a tank that was so invulnerable to damage as these damn LLAV's are. Clearly you don't know how to play the game too well, learn strategy! I've been informed that how its done is to have your entire side use AV for the first 10-15 minutes of the game, and then that LLAV is neutralized and you can do whatever else you need to do i.e. move onto the next LLAV on that side.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 197	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:23:00 - [9] - Quote Yesterday I saw an LLAV that had the audacity to do donuts in front of two guys with Swarm Launchers. It was funny and I applaud anyone who breaks the system so CCP can see the error of their ways, but it was also rather discomforting.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1000	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:24:00 - [10] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Resists. 30% base resist. 10% from skill. Another 10% from skill (although unless they recently fixed this, it's not working). Then factor in resist modules on top of that. A LLAV can easily have 60-70% resist. A LLAV with 3-4k shields and around 50% resist isn't unlikely either. I wonder if CCP forgot it's a Logistics Light Attack Vehicle? My gosh Although even 60-70% resistance didn't make sense with this LLAV. It's shields dropped so minimally, and when I saw it's shield HP after I hit, I was astonished. My guess based on the health bar and how far it had dropped, I did maybe 5-10% damage to that LLAV with a 1600+ HP forge (which is supposed to be better against shields).

TEBOW BAGGINS Rebel Raiders Inc. 876	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:25:00 - [11] - Quote yea my 3595 -55% charybdis is a bit ridiculous i recently downgraded to driving LAVs which dont get stolen as much, and still survive at better cost. ppl see the yellow on a LAV and the blueberries are like moths to a flame
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 233	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:33:00 - [12] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: yea my 3595 -55% charybdis is a bit ridiculous i recently downgraded to driving LAVs which dont get stolen as much, and still survive at better cost. ppl see the yellow on a LAV and the blueberries are like moths to a flame try using a charybdis with 3 complex shield amplifiers, maxed LLAV skill, maxed shield upgrades, and an active complex shield hardener..................... believe me thats when the charybdis is OP.. 55% aint nothing. watch an av nade do 200 damage to you. I've been in one of these, hacked it, and watched a militia swarm volley do 300 damage, i was like REALLY????
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1000	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:36:00 - [13] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: You're doing it wrong. Use the Kaalakiota Forge Gun and shoot the guy out of the driver seat. You gain so much more accuracy by being able to hold the charge. Only use the assault forge guns when trying to take out an HAV. Yeah, I had taken out a LLAV driver a few days ago with my assault forge and it was the most rewarding thing I have done in the game in a long time. After I hacked it, I dropped it off in the redzone. I messaged the player after the match (we had communicated before and were on good terms) and he was not happy. But his LLAV is one of the invincible ones, so I was ecstatic I finally got back at one of them. I might give the breach a try, although the assault is great against infantry too if I can actually get my reticle to turn red as it fires. LAV's are a pain though since they are so fast, dropships and tanks seem to be the assault forge's specialty.
TEBOW BAGGINS Rebel Raiders Inc. 877	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:43:00 - [14] - Quote the yellow paint plastered all over the thing doesnt help either, the thing screams hate me. no one tries to steal my LAV and it does just as well just for not as long. some ppl adapted to murder taxi by skilling into LLAVs, but most ppl ran to the forums and cried, the latter likely have won despite CCP's cute little "HTFU" motto actually means who ever cries harder wins..
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3162	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:55:00 - [15] - Quote Shoot the driver, I do it all the time in my ADS, quickest way to stop those things, and the ADS is one of the things best suited to it.
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:03:00 - [16] - Quote LLAVs are the reason I specced into Lai Dais and I still can't kill the sob's. Yet the tankers keep saying AV nades should be weaker and you should be able to carry less of them...oh, and shouldn't be able to get them from nanohives either
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 117	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:10:00 - [17] - Quote next time video , that way no one can call you a liar , liar
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 681	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:27:00 - [18] - Quote Karazantor wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Goodness these things are out of control, not sure if they are glitched or what, but unless under constant heavy AV from several players all at once, they are invincible. I knew these things were already like that, but now I am even more convinced something is terribly wrong. I just got out of an ambush match on the bowl map... and as usual LLAV's and LAV's EVERYWHERE. So I bring in my advanced assault forge with an enhanced damage mod. So there is this one LLAV that I got a direct hit on and got the marker (saw their health drop too as I hit them), but the thing is, their health dropped so minimally, I almost couldn't even tell it was damaged. And just after I hit I got a look at their shield health... it was almost 1500 HP. How the ** can a 1500-1700 HP LLAV take 1600+ HP damage from a forge and just barely** get it's shields scratched? There is something terribly wrong with these LLAV's that goes beyond hardeners and resistance mods. I haven't even come across a tank that was so invulnerable to damage as these damn LLAV's are. Clearly you don't know how to play the game too well, learn strategy! I've been informed that how its done is to have your entire side use AV for the first 10-15 minutes of the game, and then that LLAV is neutralized and you can do whatever else you need to do i.e. move onto the next LLAV on that side. And by the time that LLAV is dead then theres still THIRTY SECONDS of game time to enjoy!! Thank you CCP.........sarcasm. Thank you CCP Blam........sarcasm and good bye!!!
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 18	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:34:00 - [19] - Quote "shoot out the driver" say all the llav tryhards... yeah sure i try to shoot out a guy with 900+ ehp since most of you fags run heavy suits...recently i've seen more n' more proto heavies with llavs... and i'm not a heavy and dont use forge guns so shooting them out is not an option ( and no i dont get myself a milita hvy & forge gun) i want more effective Av nades ( against llavs) or a gamemode without vehicles, which i would favor even more!
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:46:00 - [20] - Quote Nestil wrote: "shoot out the driver" say all the llav tryhards... yeah sure i try to shoot out a guy with 900+ ehp since most of you fags run heavy suits...recently i've seen more n' more proto heavies with llavs... and i'm not a heavy and dont use forge guns so shooting them out is not an option ( and no i dont get myself a milita hvy & forge gun) i want more effective Av nades ( against llavs) or a gamemode without vehicles, which i would favor even more! I think they're going to adjust the LLAVs so they can't soak up more damage than tanks. That being said I'd leave the AV nades as they are.

Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 104	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:50:00 - [21] - Quote Thats when you call in a militia blaster tank and shoot the drivers out of their tanks. Let your teammates hack those LLAVs and start running the opponents over! You know the guy driving goes POP when a blaster turret looks at him. Besides whats more satisfying than having your teammates running a guy down with his LLAV after being shot out of it by a 120k ISK Militia tank?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 367	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:50:00 - [22] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Goodness these things are out of control, not sure if they are glitched or what, but unless under constant heavy AV from several players all at once, they are invincible. I knew these things were already like that, but now I am even more convinced something is terribly wrong. I just got out of an ambush match on the bowl map... and as usual LLAV's and LAV's EVERYWHERE. So I bring in my advanced assault forge with an enhanced damage mod. So there is this one LLAV that I got a direct hit on and got the marker (saw their health drop too as I hit them), but the thing is, their health dropped so minimally, I almost couldn't even tell it was damaged. And just after I hit I got a look at their shield health... it was almost 1500 HP. How the ** can a 1500-1700 HP LLAV take 1600+ HP damage from a forge and just barely** get it's shields scratched? There is something terribly wrong with these LLAV's that goes beyond hardeners and resistance mods. I haven't even come across a tank that was so invulnerable to damage as these damn LLAV's are. I offered an easier to kill alternative a couple days ago and nobody liked it. You wanna get rid of Logi LAVs, you should have to lose something. Like, how about PRO swarms?
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 340	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:55:00 - [23] - Quote Nestil wrote: "shoot out the driver" say all the llav tryhards... yeah sure i try to shoot out a guy with 900+ ehp since most of you fags run heavy suits...recently i've seen more n' more proto heavies with llavs... and i'm not a heavy and dont use forge guns so shooting them out is not an option ( and no i dont get myself a milita hvy & forge gun) i want more effective Av nades ( against llavs) or a gamemode without vehicles, which i would favor even more! You people are freaking stupid. That's why I like this game so much. you try hard sport lovers asked for a challenge well here it is. LLAV with 900hp heavies. remember you wanted a challenge instead of just playing the freaking game.
Flamesea Shadow Company HQ 17	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:57:00 - [24] - Quote If you destroy one LLAV so what? its cheaper to call in new one than getting out in Heavy suit. You can lose 2-8 pro heavy suits in a battle but hardly 1-3 LLAVs -->Triple LLAV price
J Lav Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 175	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:03:00 - [25] - Quote Trouble here is that the disparity between standard and advanced vehicles is massive, giving a skewed perception of AV, to the point that hardeners are without a doubt the best option, and therefore the only option in the game. AV then becomes marginalized, and superpower vehicles misrepresent the issue. ie. OP LLAV fits exasperate players with LAV's ability to run people down. It's not that big a deal, but when you can't kill them - it is.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 18	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:15:00 - [26] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Nestil wrote: "shoot out the driver" say all the llav tryhards... yeah sure i try to shoot out a guy with 900+ ehp since most of you fags run heavy suits...recently i've seen more n' more proto heavies with llavs... and i'm not a heavy and dont use forge guns so shooting them out is not an option ( and no i dont get myself a milita hvy & forge gun) i want more effective Av nades ( against llavs) or a gamemode without vehicles, which i would favor even more! You people are freaking stupid. That's why I like this game so much. you try hard sport lovers asked for a challenge well here it is. LLAV with 900hp heavies. remember you wanted a challenge instead of just playing the freaking game. i already play HARD MODE! I'm a scout with Shotgun! So dont come with you "challenge" bs! and i can hunt down heavies! but a heavy hiding in his invincible llav is something that pisses me off! remove the impact damage of lavs (give them a pushing effect like a friendly lav) and you can come in your heavy suit at me at any time!
Spaceman-Rob Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 144	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:29:00 - [27] - Quote If your confronted by an enemy tank and a lav on the battlefield run away from the lav.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:07:00 - [28] - Quote erm last time i checked caldari logi LAV's have a base shield HP off 2100 without any mods. So a forgegun wont take it out in a single shot. Base resistance on lvl 1 logi LAV is i think 30%. Not sure but i think you can get HP and resistance much more up and take a insane amount of AV weapons.
Mortedeamor Ancient Exiles 155	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:51:00 - [29] - Quote it may take several moderate av speccs to kill 1 logi lav it only takes 1 badass av to deal with a few logi lavs
Lorhak Gannarsein DUST University Ivy League 159	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:01:00 - [30] - Quote I call bull**** on OP's anecdote. Not possible. OP is probably suffering from hit detection issues. Or only hit with splash damage.



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