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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3579
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:42:00 -
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We all know for a fact that CCP has plans to incorporate an Eve-style free-market system into Dust during the next 5 years as part of their long-term road map.
But I'm curious to know how many of you guys are comfortable with this concept? Are you ok with seeing players have full control of the future in-game economy and its future industry where players dictate the prices of minerals and items that other players buy and where monopolies and scams are encouraged by CCP?
How many of you would rage quit after realizing that you overpaid so much ISK to a player for an item that turned out to be cheap?
How many of you would rage quit if you fell victim to an in-game ponzi scheme while CCP tells you to HTFU?
How many of you would cry foul if Goonfeet were to burn the economy while CCP sits idly by saying "F-CKING BRILLIANT"? |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1396
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:43:00 -
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I think it will fun to find out. I like the concept of trailblazing, so I'm willing to risk the uncertainty that would come with this. |
Preacher Death 2
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:45:00 -
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I can't wait. My favorite scam so far is getting blueberries to pay isk for an imaginary district. Its to bad we can't trade aurum. |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
293
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:46:00 -
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There needs to be many things before full integration is possible
1 - Player to player trading
2 - Some sort of harvesting or item creation to happen DUST side
3 - DUST to be able to create its own full economy first
For full integration to work, DUST needs to have equal footing with EVE in terms of market power. Mercs cannot simply be buyers or it will fail miserably. How that will happen is anyones guess. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2523
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:46:00 -
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I came here for consequences. Market helps with that.
King of the Forums // Seraphim <3
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3579
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:48:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:There needs to be many things before full integration is possible
1 - Player to player trading
2 - Some sort of harvesting or item creation to happen DUST side
3 - DUST to be able to create its own full economy first
For full integration to work, DUST needs to have equal footing with EVE in terms of market power. Mercs cannot simply be buyers or it will fail miserably. How that will happen is anyones guess.
That's not the point of this thread.
This thread is asking how many of us here would get extremely intimidated by this concept and rage at the first sign of foul play in the market?
CCP already knows what to do in regards to incorporating the economy of two games. That's why it's a 5-year plan. |
howard sanchez
spliff's channel
664
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:53:00 -
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Laissez -faire
Free unrestricted markets
Of thee I dream |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Top Men.
1145
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:53:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
How many of you would cry foul if Goonfeet were to burn the economy while CCP sits idly by saying "F-CKING BRILLIANT"?
confirming that we will be burning the economy to the ground. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3579
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:54:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
How many of you would cry foul if Goonfeet were to burn the economy while CCP sits idly by saying "F-CKING BRILLIANT"?
confirming that we will be burning the economy to the ground.
^^^^^
Breaking Stuff is Breaking Bad(TM) into the ground (pun) for TOP MEN. |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
171
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:54:00 -
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As long as it does not replace the market we have im ok. It should not be manditory to do bussiness with players. I shouldnt have to be exposed to that. |
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1241
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:55:00 -
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It will force people to grow up a bit and take responsibility for their actions. If you fall foul of a scam, it's nobody's fault but your own and nobody is going to pick you up and tell off the big bad boys who stole your lunch money.
The less mature players will struggle but it will add so much more to the game, especially in terms of meta; it can only be a good thing. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3151
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:56:00 -
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I'm interested in finding out, my only concern however is that economy wise we're going to be a tertiary industry, right now we exist only to consume goods and fight each other, we have no other purpose, we put nothing into Eve's economy, we serve only as a ISK sink, the fact that unless something changes we'll be stuck in our markets is another issue, in eve if something is overpriced in hits you can just go to another trade hub, unless we're allowed to move around our quarters we'll lack that.
We need to be able to provide to Eve's economy as a primary industry, that means as a whole we'll be able to affect the economy to a degree, because if all we can trade in is gear things are going to suck. I'm sure CCP has plans in place and plenty of ideas but we haven't seen anything of them. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers
EoN.
294
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:56:00 -
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I'll sell every single one of my officer weapons at 100,000,000 isk each. Who wants one? |
Preacher Death 2
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:58:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:As long as it does not replace the market we have im ok. It should not be manditory to do bussiness with players. I shouldnt have to be exposed to that.
Your the kind of person who will accidently pay 1 billion isk for a 100 million item. When it happens and you come to the forums to state that you are leaving, can I have your stuff? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3579
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:58:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:As long as it does not replace the market we have im ok. It should not be manditory to do bussiness with players. I shouldnt have to be exposed to that.
Um. You will be exposed to that. If you go onto Eve right now, the only NPC items you will find are civilian modules which are so weak they are not worth anything beyond tutorial missions. Every ship, module, ammo, mineral, etc. is built, bought, and sold by the players. That's going to happen here in Dust in the next 5 years. |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
424
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:58:00 -
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The market in New Eden is not "free" and there is plenty opportunities to make your own stuff via minig and some PI in New Eden. There is also plenty NPC sellers/buyers/manufacturers who really keep tabs on pricess. All the players can do to market is influencing average prices and price history graphs. NPCs do what CCP, not players, tells them...
Don't worry. There will be no mini blackholes consuming New Eden "free" market in a puff of smoke... |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
418
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:00:00 -
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How many of us will try to scam the scammers? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3579
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:06:00 -
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Send me 100 million ISK and I will double it back to you.
This is not a scam. I promise. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1266
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:07:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:I'll sell every single one of my officer weapons at 100,000,000 isk each. Who wants one?
I'll undercut you and sell them all for 1/10th or even 1/20th of the price you want. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1239
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:We all know for a fact that CCP has plans to incorporate an Eve-style free-market system into Dust during the next 5 years as part of their long-term road map.
But I'm curious to know how many of you guys are comfortable with this concept? Are you ok with seeing players have full control of the future in-game economy and its future industry where players dictate the prices of minerals and items that other players buy and where monopolies and scams are encouraged by CCP?
How many of you would rage quit after realizing that you overpaid so much ISK to a player for an item that turned out to be cheap?
How many of you would rage quit if you fell victim to an in-game ponzi scheme while CCP tells you to HTFU?
How many of you would cry foul if Goonfeet were to burn the economy while CCP sits idly by saying "F-CKING BRILLIANT"?
If you came to Dust for any reason other than this, then you came to Dust for the wrong reasons. It doesn't matter if you're comfortable with it or not. That's a mistake on the part of the player. |
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Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
293
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:09:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:There needs to be many things before full integration is possible
1 - Player to player trading
2 - Some sort of harvesting or item creation to happen DUST side
3 - DUST to be able to create its own full economy first
For full integration to work, DUST needs to have equal footing with EVE in terms of market power. Mercs cannot simply be buyers or it will fail miserably. How that will happen is anyones guess. That's not the point of this thread. This thread is asking how many of us here would get extremely intimidated by this concept and rage at the first sign of foul play in the market? CCP already knows what to do in regards to incorporating the economy of two games. That's why it's a 5-year plan.
Fair enough but my point is that most players should be somewhat skilled in an open economy by time EVE and DUST would be fully integrated. By that time it wont be lambs going to the slaughter but wolves facing off against wolves.
Asking players now when few have any EVE experience is just going to be a shot in the dark
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers
EoN.
722
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:10:00 -
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Here to shoot people, not play a crappy version of Microsoft excel
Lord of General Discussion
Winner of Closed Beta Tester Tournament
Winner of Eve/Dust 514 PvP Fanfest Tournament
KDR > EVERYTHING |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
107
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:13:00 -
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I'm on board with this 100%. Honestly, I'm very disappointed that the in-game economy wasn't available on "release". They have experience with it, it should have been one of the first things to be designed.
Well, seeing as how they can't get the core FPS mechanics right, I guess I'm not really surprised.  |
Funky Chunky
FunkyStars
8
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:13:00 -
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I's still like to have the regular market, as an option, I don't think they'll get rid of it. If they do, I might ragequit life. |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
107
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:16:00 -
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I know a lot of people will feel this way. I would be satisfied if most of the production is done Eve side. Everything else can just be done by specifying buy and sell orders for your assets and what not. |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
107
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:18:00 -
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Funky Chunky wrote:I's still like to have the regular market, as an option, I don't think they'll get rid of it. If they do, I might ragequit life.
All MLT and STD gear should be NPC seeded, like now. ADV and PRO gear all player produced.   |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3582
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:19:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:If you came to Dust for any reason other than this, then you came to Dust for the wrong reasons. It doesn't matter if you're comfortable with it or not. That's a mistake on the part of the player.
Thankfully I'm an Eve Online marketeer and I look forward to the player-run market system. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
63
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:23:00 -
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I don't want to wait five years, I want to start obliterating stable markets now! |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4215
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Posted - 2013.08.15 00:02:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Here to shoot people, not play a crappy version of Microsoft excel
Hope you like paying 500,000isk for Duvolles... |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
143
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Posted - 2013.08.15 00:53:00 -
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I love the idea that supply and demand will exist, all you FoTM scrubs will have to pay more ISK for your gear |
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