DUST Search - Well just got into military grade dropships...

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

No its the same plates.

Gorgon
1 MCRU
1 Shield Recharger

1 Energized Nano Plate
1 IG-L Polarized Light armor repper
1 Nanofiber Plate

2x Cycled Missile Launchers.

Grimises
1 MCRU
1 Shield Recharger

1 Energized Nano Plate
1 IG-L Polarized Light armor repper
1 Nanofiber Plate
1 Power Grid Expansion Unit

2x Accelerated Blasters

I know they're not the best fits in the world but the Gorgon was able to eat 2 shots from a proto forge earlier today and lived to fly away, survive landing on a few attentive targets and have enough agility to get out of dodge when it got annoying enough and forgiving enough that if I accidentally slam into something I survive it usually. I can go from full speed to stop over most sockets. Dime turn, dance the pole, reacts fast enough to dodge most building and obstacles, round corners pretty fast.

The Grimaces flies like a literal brick, dies pretty quickly to enemy fire, doesn't respond too well to controls to the point that nicking any environmental hazard is a death sentence and they are racking up far more kills than the RDVs where with the Gorgon. It feels like a whale sometimes when it comes to agility, attempting to go from full to stop almost requires me to do a 180 and start thrusting against the momentum as its much faster than using the nose up and counter thrust method.

I won't talk about the shield dropships :(

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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7272	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:05:00 - [1] - Quote Why in the hell do they fly worse than military grade dropships >< I mean the militia grades are bad enough but manageable but even with similar fittings all the military grade dropships (standards) are so much harder to manage and apply air breaks on, climbing thrust. landing maneuvers and even liftoff on uneven ground, agility and almost all aspects of controls that the two nearly don't fly the same ><. No other vehicle class I graduated out of militia versions of behaves this way >< I am going back to militia dropships they cost half as much fly twice as good and so far the only thing able to oneshot me is an RDV.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3151	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:10:00 - [2] - Quote You should the the Prometheus, the closest metaphor I have to how it handles with plates on is "like a brick in wet cement", it's terrible, the only reason I even consider using using it is because vyzion eyri gave me a fit for it with some simply insane tanking, apart from that its handling is simply horrific. Edit: also the ADS handle so much better compared to everything else, they give you the feeling that you can pull off advanced manauvers, and breach forge guns and assault forge guns are your worst enemy, they're the OHK's and the THK's you have to watch out for respectively.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1394	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:13:00 - [3] - Quote I haven't flown DS since they revamped the controls last year. They are horrible now.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7273	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:15:00 - [4] - Quote No its the same plates. Gorgon 1 MCRU 1 Shield Recharger 1 Energized Nano Plate 1 Converse Light armor repper 1 Nanofiber Plate 2x Cycled Missile Launchers. Grimises 1 MCRU 1 Shield Recharger 1 Energized Nano Plate 1 Converse Light armor repper 1 Nanofiber Plate 1 Power Grid Expansion Unit 2x Accelerated Blasters I know they're not the best fits in the world but the Gorgon was able to eat 2 shots from a proto forge earlier today, survive landing on a few attentive targets and have enough agility to get out of dodge when it got annoying enough and forgiving enough that if I accidentally slam into something I survive it usually. The Grimises flies like a literal brick, dies pretty quickly, doesn't respond too well to controls to the point that environmental hazards are racking up far more kills than the RDVs where with the Gorgon.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1885	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:22:00 - [5] - Quote The militia ships flew much better in Precursor than anything does now. They used to be a joy to fly, but now it's just work.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3151	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:30:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No its the same plates. Gorgon 1 MCRU 1 Shield Recharger 1 Energized Nano Plate 1 Converse Light armor repper 1 Nanofiber Plate 2x Cycled Missile Launchers. Grimises 1 MCRU 1 Shield Recharger 1 Energized Nano Plate 1 Converse Light armor repper 1 Nanofiber Plate 1 Power Grid Expansion Unit 2x Accelerated Blasters I know they're not the best fits in the world but the Gorgon was able to eat 2 shots from a proto forge earlier today and lived to fly away, survive landing on a few attentive targets and have enough agility to get out of dodge when it got annoying enough and forgiving enough that if I accidentally slam into something I survive it usually. I can go from full speed to stop over most sockets. Dime turn, dance the pole, reacts fast enough to dodge most building and obstacles, round corners pretty fast. The Grimaces flies like a literal brick, dies pretty quickly to enemy fire, doesn't respond too well to controls to the point that nicking any environmental hazard is a death sentence and they are racking up far more kills than the RDVs where with the Gorgon. It feels like a whale sometimes when it comes to agility, attempting to go from full to stop almost requires me to do a 180 and start thrusting against the momentum as its much faster than using the nose up and counter thrust method. I won't talk about the shield dropships :( Apart from wanting to slap you for fitting a MCRU to a dropship (I loathe MCRU's in my dropships with a passion, bluedots can't be trusted in the turrets and they just sit in the passenger slots being useless) there's nothing wrong with the fit you posted. Seems to prioritise reengagement time while providing enough tank to take a couple of hits, depending on how you use it not the best fit in the world but far from the worst either. Edit: actually I take that back, for an insertion dropship that's a pretty nice fit, personally I might have replaced the recharger with a shield amp or an extender if possible but otherwise it's pretty good, might be worth trying out.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7273	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:37:00 - [7] - Quote Aye, wanted much up time as possible so I can 'weather' the flak often and get annoying as possible as for the MCRU I need practice in ship orientation for gunners to do their jobs better also helps pub matches from breaking out of farm spawns. Takes 3 swarms, 3 forge shots (unless breach then 2) or about 3/4ths of a large blaster heat cycle, not sure about large missiles or railguns however. Another thing I noticed about military grade dropships is they seem to not like getting nailed at all and its easy to spin out of control if hit right, I never suffered the like with the militia grade dropships. there is something amiss here ><
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 185	Posted - 2013.08.14 21:46:00 - [8] - Quote Dropships are in general too clunky and a hassle to fly. Very sluggish. The assault dropship should be extremely responsive in all aspects. Ascending into air, making u-turns, landing, is just all soo slow and uncomfortable. Not too mention dropships is like a game of duck hunt to any rail cannon. Clearly needs work.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 437	Posted - 2013.08.14 22:54:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No its the same plates. Gorgon 1 MCRU 1 Shield Recharger 1 Energized Nano Plate 1 IG-L Polarized Light armor repper 1 Nanofiber Plate 2x Cycled Missile Launchers. Grimises 1 MCRU 1 Shield Recharger 1 Energized Nano Plate 1 IG-L Polarized Light armor repper 1 Nanofiber Plate 1 Power Grid Expansion Unit 2x Accelerated Blasters I know they're not the best fits in the world but the Gorgon was able to eat 2 shots from a proto forge earlier today and lived to fly away, survive landing on a few attentive targets and have enough agility to get out of dodge when it got annoying enough and forgiving enough that if I accidentally slam into something I survive it usually. I can go from full speed to stop over most sockets. Dime turn, dance the pole, reacts fast enough to dodge most building and obstacles, round corners pretty fast. The Grimaces flies like a literal brick, dies pretty quickly to enemy fire, doesn't respond too well to controls to the point that nicking any environmental hazard is a death sentence and they are racking up far more kills than the RDVs where with the Gorgon. It feels like a whale sometimes when it comes to agility, attempting to go from full to stop almost requires me to do a 180 and start thrusting against the momentum as its much faster than using the nose up and counter thrust method. I won't talk about the shield dropships :( Fixed
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7280	Posted - 2013.08.14 22:59:00 - [10] - Quote I don't have access to IG-L reppers yet I think. :( Ill look down my list again.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1136	Posted - 2013.08.14 22:59:00 - [11] - Quote hmm i remember something, oh yea "LEARN TO FLY" - you, IWS guess what "LEARN TO FLY YA NOOB BEFORE TELLING OTHERS THAT"- ladwar
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7281	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:17:00 - [12] - Quote ladwar wrote: hmm i remember something, oh yea "LEARN TO FLY" - you, IWS guess what "LEARN TO FLY YA NOOB BEFORE TELLING OTHERS THAT"- ladwar I have one Gorgon going 9 matches without dying and being engaged mostly. :P Grimises not so much 2 match max survival so far and doing the thing I didn't want to do. loiter out of combat. Shield Dropships... feel like sticks, they're a bit stiffer (rather than the floating brick grimaces are) are rarely use them.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1711	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:24:00 - [13] - Quote Effort being put into kill you is directly proportional to how good/threatening you are. IE: If you're not being shot at... It's because you suck, IWS.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3153	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:25:00 - [14] - Quote ladwar wrote: hmm i remember something, oh yea "LEARN TO FLY" - you, IWS guess what "LEARN TO FLY YA NOOB BEFORE TELLING OTHERS THAT"- ladwar Dude let it go already, it's by far one of the dumbest posts this forums ever seen, and without a doubt the dumbest one ever to have a CPM tag attached, but let it go, it's a stupid stigma that only gets in the way of good discussion.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7281	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:26:00 - [15] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Effort being put into kill you is directly proportional to how good/threatening you are. IE: If you're not being shot at... It's because you suck, IWS. But I am getting shot at, clearing roofs by squashing is certainly annoying enough.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 516	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:37:00 - [16] - Quote Oh man, if I was against you, I'd shoot you down with indifference. No dropship ever survives when I get my railgun pointed at it.... except for a very super tiny fraction.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7281	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:39:00 - [17] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Oh man, if I was against you, I'd shoot you down with indifference. No dropship ever survives when I get my railgun pointed at it.... except for a very super tiny fraction. I can believe this though, I only seen two rail tanks in the last few matches and both on my side.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2977	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:45:00 - [18] - Quote Dropships are unusually inconsistent; some flights are better than others. This goes for all variants, but it's most noticeable with the heavier ones (militia, basic, logistics) because you can barely get off the ground when they're bad.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1137	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:46:00 - [19] - Quote gbghg wrote: ladwar wrote: hmm i remember something, oh yea "LEARN TO FLY" - you, IWS guess what "LEARN TO FLY YA NOOB BEFORE TELLING OTHERS THAT"- ladwar Dude let it go already, it's by far one of the dumbest posts this forums ever seen, and without a doubt the dumbest one ever to have a CPM tag attached, but let it go, it's a stupid stigma that only gets in the way of good discussion. you know i think that is best.. i'll just take my rage out on some dumb zombies which i will now forever call IWS.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7284	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:36:00 - [20] - Quote ladwar wrote: gbghg wrote: ladwar wrote: hmm i remember something, oh yea "LEARN TO FLY" - you, IWS guess what "LEARN TO FLY YA NOOB BEFORE TELLING OTHERS THAT"- ladwar Dude let it go already, it's by far one of the dumbest posts this forums ever seen, and without a doubt the dumbest one ever to have a CPM tag attached, but let it go, it's a stupid stigma that only gets in the way of good discussion. you know i think that is best.. i'll just take my rage out on some dumb zombies which i will now forever call IWS. Brahhhins! Uhhhhhg. Tastes like buttery bacony goodness.

Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 891	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:54:00 - [21] - Quote lol I like the way my vipers handle. got one with 3k shields on it, not too much isk and it flies well and can take a decent beating for being a floating turd. bad part is though.. I can't fly for ** or land for **.. so once i'm in it, it's written off as a loss before I take off
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3148	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:57:00 - [22] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: I haven't flown DS regularly since they revamped the controls last year. They are horrible now. Are you talking about the changes in Codex, or the changes after the E3 build? Making them actually fly like helicopters was the best thing they did for them in my opinion. I can't stand air vehicles that are designed to be easymode like that.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 109	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:59:00 - [23] - Quote I was flying around today In a militia viper (flying the assault and logi ships are costing me millions with all these flipping forge guns and swarm launchers running around) and I was about to land on top of a roof and then BOOM the all to familiar sound of a forge nailing my ship. Nonetheless my ship literally back flipped off the roof of the tower with me in it so I somehow managed to get control and go back to the top and land. Point is.....dropships need to be better equipped against AV players, I'm tired of this "gets shot and then spins out" or "gets shot with a forge and then blown up 3 seconds later". The slightest wind could probably demolish a dropship. I have invested millions into flying dropships and have wasted millions on flying dropships. Before you go screaming "your probably a bad pilot" and stuff like that, you should know that I fly/drive vehicles in every game I play. I fly the hell out of a warhawk in Warhawk, I rule the skies in BF3. So what's going on with these derpships?
Blaze Ashra Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:05:00 - [24] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Oh man, if I was against you, I'd shoot you down with indifference. No dropship ever survives when I get my railgun pointed at it.... except for a very super tiny fraction. And this is the reason I have no problem vaporizing tanks with my swarm launchers. If forge gunners and rail tankers would let me fly I wouldn't be on the ground making bank on every smoldering slag pile brought into that game. ***** about AV to your hearts content but you're no better with cowardly cheap ass tactics.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Top Men. 408	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:27:00 - [25] - Quote Sabre, take it from me, just skill into a Python ADS and get proto modules, it's the best option for skilled dropship pilots right now.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2980	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:34:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: I haven't flown DS regularly since they revamped the controls last year. They are horrible now. Are you talking about the changes in Codex, or the changes after the E3 build? Making them actually fly like helicopters was the best thing they did for them in my opinion. I can't stand air vehicles that are designed to be easymode like that. I didn't start flying until right after the E3 build, so apologies if that's what you're referencing, but how were the old dropships easymode? The old ones were MUCH harder to learn, but more rewarding. Anyone can fly the new ones, but they're always terrible.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2382	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:38:00 - [27] - Quote It's threads like these that just emphasize that dabbling in something does not give you a clear understanding of the entire class. You cannot be a representative of everyone,, so please stop making such grandiose claims.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 328	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:40:00 - [28] - Quote Wait? FREE TARGET PRACTICE!?! Please keep flying I need to make sure the guidance system on my swarm launcher is working
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7286	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:52:00 - [29] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Sabre, take it from me, just skill into a Python ADS and get proto modules, it's the best option for skilled dropship pilots right now. I know I miss the controls from the fan fest games, but alas I am stuck onto being an omni, I have 2 more skills in infantry to get to level 2 and 6 more in vehicles, after that Ill be level 3-ing all things and begin to unlock advanced gear and specialization suits.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 892	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:55:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Sabre, take it from me, just skill into a Python ADS and get proto modules, it's the best option for skilled dropship pilots right now. I know I miss the controls from the fan fest games, but alas I am stuck onto being an omni, I have 2 more skills in infantry to get to level 2 and 6 more in vehicles, after that Ill be level 3-ing all things and begin to unlock advanced gear and specialization suits. this is an interesting skill progression approach just trying to get a feel for the basic handling of everything out there?

Blaze Ashra Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:59:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Sabre, take it from me, just skill into a Python ADS and get proto modules, it's the best option for skilled dropship pilots right now. I know I miss the controls from the fan fest games, but alas I am stuck onto being an omni, I have 2 more skills in infantry to get to level 2 and 6 more in vehicles, after that Ill be level 3-ing all things and begin to unlock advanced gear and specialization suits. Why do it that way? Doesn't it make more sense to go 1, 3, 5 instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7287	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:00:00 - [32] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Sabre, take it from me, just skill into a Python ADS and get proto modules, it's the best option for skilled dropship pilots right now. I know I miss the controls from the fan fest games, but alas I am stuck onto being an omni, I have 2 more skills in infantry to get to level 2 and 6 more in vehicles, after that Ill be level 3-ing all things and begin to unlock advanced gear and specialization suits. this is an interesting skill progression approach Omni-soldier It's very difficult, hardcore mode if you will. Now outside of trying to be even with all skills you can skill up anything that benefits majority or every class such as powergrid and cpu, armor HP and shield HP, related skills to 5. But you have access to just about every basic gear set out there and can fulfill every role and experiment with everything quite a bit trying to find the right niche of every suit vehicle or purpose. You will have to be hard pressed to up your skills on the field to just survive though against prototype squads and the like. I am slowly bumping things out of militia fits lately in various areas, trying new things out every week as my skills can support new play styles as they arise such as the new weapon variants.
Zekain Kade TeamPlayers EoN. 1474	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:36:00 - [33] - Quote Weren't you able to fly these **** buckets at fan fest?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7287	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:49:00 - [34] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Weren't you able to fly these **** buckets at fan fest? Assault Dropships where godly in my hands there then again the targets where... easy. Nonetheless I only died once that from an aerial ram attack. Back before they changed the controls completely, they were easy to start in but a bit hard to master because of the finer points of high end play of playing dodge with everything trying to kill you and getting into position to kill them back instead of running away like we do most of the times these days.
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:29:00 - [35] - Quote Don't you know Iron Wolf? The better dropships are "heavier" meaning they have bullshit controls. Though I'm told you eventually get used to it. My brother even claimed he liked the heavy feel better when using nitro or whatever its called.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7289	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:42:00 - [36] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Don't you know Iron Wolf? The better dropships are "heavier" meaning they have bullshit controls. Though I'm told you eventually get used to it. My brother even claimed he liked the heavy feel better when using nitro or whatever its called. I hate the burners they get me killed way too often ><, I rather prefer agility over speed because my largest threats have always been direct fire weapons not lock ons. They also removed the nano-hull so no more ways of lightening up heavier dropships.
Beld Errmon Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 801	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:43:00 - [37] - Quote The incubus is a pleasure to fly, python feels far to agile, all the others are bricks but you get used to them... if forge gunners decide to let you have some flight time.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7289	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:44:00 - [38] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: The incubus is a pleasure to fly, python feels far to agile, all the others are bricks but you get used to them... if forge gunners decide to let you have some flight time. Yeah forge gunners get me the most but they have to land 3 or more hits in a row to down me I usually get enough breathing time as they reload to get out of the way before the death blow.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1475	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:44:00 - [39] - Quote Makes me almost want to go back to Codex or Chromosome so I could have the time when they handled so much better.


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