.... What true said. ...

Ooohhh man if she goes for this we can finally start restoring the glory of the empire. There are a lot of immortals waiting to see how this one plays out :-)

You know I will be the first boot on the ground in any reclaiming though in the event of a split my loyalty is too God's chosen empress. Though the true faithfull will never split from the empire so I doubt it will be an issue :-)

With immortal troops and the 1st gens that handed themselves in she has the force she needs to get the ball rolling

Ok 1 question what if you hear your god almighty`s voice and it told you to kill your empress would you do it?

Yeah it would get messy for me since I am tied to the Sarum Family but the empress is also a member of the Sarum household.... Such is a test of faith.

Then the True Sons and Daughters of Athra will await the words of our Empress. As the scriptures say
Book of Reclaiming

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,
And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:
Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Perhaps the Empress will consider it time to Reclaim the Matari in God's name.

However I sincerely hope Lord (Merimeth) Sarum does not do anything foolish, my oaths of Loyalty to the Sarum Family are binding, my honour is on the line, and should House Sarum make any moves against the Tribes it is my duty to back them.

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed

The Paladin's Creed is my creed. I must live by it.

While I would love to bring truth and enlightenment to the Republic, I will put my faith in Empress Jamyl's word for it is pure. Whatever the call, I will not hide from my duty.



Don't be foolish now.

Can us Minmatars have no problems? It seems like whenever I read the news, something is happening to my people. Are we made only to feel nothing but pain? If a war comes along, I'll be behind my people 100%. We deserve some happiness and hopefully the slaves back in Matar.

Alas no, Gomes. Looks like I'm gonna be heading back to Matar and tacking up contracts. Screw profitability, I don't care if I go broke buying up gear and vehicles fighting against this invasion. I swear on my dubious honor I'm going to do everything I can to make that little yappy dog upstart succumb to shame and failure for trying to use my people as a stepping stone for his ambitions.

Its because your people are so volatile that you suffer and this suffering is of your own doing. We Amarr will uplift you from your ignorance and squalor and bring you into the empire where you may all know true peace equally as children of God.

Alas no, Gomes. Looks like I'm gonna be heading back to Matar and tacking up contracts. Screw profitability, I don't care if I go broke buying up gear and vehicles fighting against this invasion. I swear on my dubious honor I'm going to do everything I can to make that little yappy dog upstart succumb to shame and failure for trying to use my people as a stepping stone for his ambitions.

Sorry but I don't want your "uplifting". We only fight with such anger because it seems as it everyone is pulling and pushing us. Slavery is not the answer for such "uplifting". I mean you have to drug us just for us to be happy with your so called uplifting.

You just don't understand the nature of Slavery in Amarrian culture. Its is our test to you to see if you are ready to join the Empire.

In any case what your people want it not an issue. The Amarr are the chosen children of God, they who are to bring the light of the Lord to the furthest reaches of space, to reclaim the stars in the name of mankind, and they who are to unite the galaxy under one banner.

So we get to prove we are worthy with backbreaking labor and the Amarr get to benefit from free labor. That's awfully convenient for their religion. As for the Gallente, they have a lot of hyprocritical bigots but left to our own devices we have little to worry about. Last I checked, the leadership among the Gallente isn't calling for holy war to expand institutional racism.

House DEI fully supports the SARUM FAMILY

May the flames of Reclamation burn brighter than ever

Sounds like in light of recent events somebody just wants their slaves back. Dress it up all you want with scripture.

Take the same man on the same job, but two scenarios. The first he is a free man, the other enslaved. Do the Amarr really get off so much on taking away his agency, his dignity, that it's worth all the extra costs of keeping him down as opposed to paying him the market rate for an honest day's work? A slave will do what he has to in order to not be beaten, starved, or otherwise abused in ways I'd rather not dwell on. A free man selling his labor will do his best to cement a reputation for quality.

Besides, nobody gets slaves to handle a stock portfolio or to perform surgery. All that human potential is squandered for the benefit of an elite. Aren't you also screwing over your lower class peoples by shutting them out of low skill jobs you impose on slaves?

Sounds like in light of recent events somebody just wants their slaves back. Dress it up all you want with scripture.

Take the same man on the same job, but two scenarios. The first he is a free man, the other enslaved. Do the Amarr really get off so much on taking away his agency, his dignity, that it's worth all the extra costs of keeping him down as opposed to paying him the market rate for an honest day's work? A slave will do what he has to in order to not be beaten, starved, or otherwise abused in ways I'd rather not dwell on. A free man selling his labor will do his best to cement a reputation for quality.

Besides, nobody gets slaves to handle a stock portfolio or to perform surgery. All that human potential is squandered for the benefit of an elite. Aren't you also screwing over your lower class peoples by shutting them out of low skill jobs you impose on slaves?

((Going to go out of character for a bit, so forgive me. It really irks me that no one actually looks at how slaves are treated in Amarr society and instead look at how slaves are treated in the history of Earth.))

Let's be honest here, if the Empire were to reinstate a Reclaiming in the traditional sense of conquer many Minmatar would end up with better living conditions and a brighter future than they do currently.

((Going to go out of character for a bit, so forgive me. It really irks me that no one actually looks at how slaves are treated in Amarr society and instead look at how slaves are treated in the history of Earth.))

Let's be honest here, if the Empire were to reinstate a Reclaiming in the traditional sense of conquer many Minmatar would end up with better living conditions and a brighter future than they do currently.

That may be true in a handful of cases but at what cost? Short of the Elders or Republic dedicating themselves to saving them, they may never see their homes or loved ones again. You've most of the time destroyed their lives and may have killed their families so that you can "enlighten" them and force them to work for you. Don't deny it, if a slave were to just outright refuse to work you would kill him/her or at least harm them. You expect us to believe you're doing what is best for us by sending so many to your "hell"?

Don't the Ammarians give Minmatar slaves drugs? Viotic or whatever it's called just to make them think they're having a eurphoric feeling. I mean that doesn't sound like fun.

((Ooc: I think it's easy to think about Earth's slavery and that comes to mind first. Ammar slavery seems more like a reeducation camp than anything.))

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy;
Nor Peace, nor solace
For those who bear witness to these signs
And still do not believe."
- Book of Reclaiming 25:10

To truly hate an enemy, I find it is best to learn their ways. I am familiar with your scriptures. You would see the entire universe incorporated into your faith, and those who refuse murdered. You are monster, and none of you deserve my sympathy.

The way I see it.

If any rustbuckets fights and wins his freedom then god clearly supported him and he shall live free. If he loses and is enslaved we still have much to teach him.

So if we go to war with the republic and they win. I shall greet them as equals as this is God's chosen path. We are to unite the galaxies under are faith. That faith does not have to be under one flag at the end of the day

Get ready for that loss Amarrian. :) Mataris we are strong people who won't go down without a fight.

I do agree with you though. I'd rather have peace than more war. Mataris are only.angry because their people were enslaved and don't even get to practice their home rituals. Sure some are given jobs but they still live in poverty. Don't you think they would like to live back with their tribes?

You know he doesn't speak for the general beliefs of the empire. That is never going to be a stance that the empire will ever take on the Matari

Also In the E,pire no slave lives in poverty. Where ever did you get that idea?

Rumors amongst the tribes talk of slaves that live in poor areas. I've never had to deal with slavery or my family thankfully, but that's the words that were around in my Vherokior tribe.

.... Right listen to the words of those who would spread lies.... hey guess what I heard yesterday.... a Vherokior slave came up and thanked me for helping her see God's Light.

Now tell me the one about the Brutor falling in love with the Ammarian slaver lord.... And you say we lie

While I don't know too much about the conditions of the slavery in Amarr territory. I can admit that Minmatars are treated unfairly by many Gallente. I can't say all Gallente citizens share a dislike of Minmatars, but majority do not like us for reasons I'm unsure of. Maybe it's how much us Minmatars have influenced their youth with our fashion sense and our ritual of Voluval. You'd be surprised how many teens I've seen with Voluval like tattoos.

If you soak in water for very long, you'll absorb some moisture. It makes no difference whether you're chained in it or there by choice.

That your methods are effective is not seriously disputed, Templar Crusader. What the Matari, among others, dispute is your objective justification for doing so, and your ability to continue in the face of lots and lots of guns.

Ms Ryeon you know as well as I do that the Amarr have better guns.

Really? Last I checked the Caldari were second only to the Jove, while your guns are only at their most powerful seconds before they explode into a fireball.

I guess every body forget about that tech we got from the eve gate that whiped out a fleet in a single shot. :-) the amarr is the largest empire for a reason :-P

((Speaking of bad intel, neither the origin of that weapon nor its eventual fate is public knowledge.))

Fae-haan: as much as I may have some sympathy towards your feelings on the Amarr, they are allies to the State. Their expansionistic tendencies are held in check by their last couple of centuries of difficulty expanding.

Templar Crusader Ouryon: the Amarr may have more technologically-advanced weapons, but the Matari have gotten good at using what they have. You may wish to ask some of your naval compatriots their thoughts on the Hurricane-class battlecruiser or the Vagabond-class heavy assault ship. Both are capsuleer favorites, and not because they are outdated and toothless. Quite the opposite.

((Speaking of bad intel, neither the origin of that weapon nor its eventual fate is public knowledge.))

Fae-haan: as much as I may have some sympathy towards your feelings on the Amarr, they are allies to the State. Their expansionistic tendencies are held in check by their last couple of centuries of difficulty expanding.

Templar Crusader Ouryon: the Amarr may have more technologically-advanced weapons, but the Matari have gotten good at using what they have. You may wish to ask some of your naval compatriots their thoughts on the Hurricane-class battlecruiser or the Vagabond-class heavy assault ship. Both are capsuleer favorites, and not because they are outdated and toothless. Quite the opposite.

((Speaking of bad intel, neither the origin of that weapon nor its eventual fate is public knowledge.))

Fae-haan: as much as I may have some sympathy towards your feelings on the Amarr, they are allies to the State. Their expansionistic tendencies are held in check by their last couple of centuries of difficulty expanding.

Templar Crusader Ouryon: the Amarr may have more technologically-advanced weapons, but the Matari have gotten good at using what they have. You may wish to ask some of your naval compatriots their thoughts on the Hurricane-class battlecruiser or the Vagabond-class heavy assault ship. Both are capsuleer favorites, and not because they are outdated and toothless. Quite the opposite.

Blatant disregard of the risk isn't simply a poor move, it is inefficient. I keep insisting, we can take them now when we still can, or we can wait for them to become a problem that we can not match. Time, money, and lives would all be saved in a preemptive strike coordinated with fellow empires. I assume a fellow Caldari would see merit in such efficiency.

As far as Matari tech goes, I think you are all forgetting our friend the Rifter. What was that the owner's guide refers to them as? "Going down a staircase on an office chair dual wielding SMGs?"

((hurricane FTW!))

(( I don't know how many of you play EVE but ive experienced the Alpha Strike Minnie pilots can lay out in the space of 10 seconds, Personally I'm more scared of Thrashers than Rifters. ))

((Since so many are in OOC mode right now. Vitoc is actually the antidote for the poison given. It's only temporary though and without repeat doses the slaves that are infected with the toxin die. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vitoc ))

The Sarum family heir may recommend assaulting the Republic. In the end is it the Empress who commands and her alone who will decide whether we assault the Republic and bring the Reclaiming to those lost people. Her freeing of the 9th generation and upwards was done because they have been Reclaimed. Even now, many of them continue to pray and attend the weekly Mass and prayer in churches they themselves have constructed. Even at the cost of being spit upon and mistreated by those who called them kin and for many tears screamed in anger and rage at our acts of "slavery".

Its because your people are so volatile that you suffer and this suffering is of your own doing. We Amarr will uplift you from your ignorance and squalor and bring you into the empire where you may all know true peace equally as children of God.

You cannot force our people to accept your "Help" if we havent asked for it.

You cannot force our people to accept your "Help" if we havent asked for it.