Sounds like in light of recent events somebody just wants their slaves back. Dress it up all you want with scripture.

Take the same man on the same job, but two scenarios. The first he is a free man, the other enslaved. Do the Amarr really get off so much on taking away his agency, his dignity, that it's worth all the extra costs of keeping him down as opposed to paying him the market rate for an honest day's work? A slave will do what he has to in order to not be beaten, starved, or otherwise abused in ways I'd rather not dwell on. A free man selling his labor will do his best to cement a reputation for quality.

Besides, nobody gets slaves to handle a stock portfolio or to perform surgery. All that human potential is squandered for the benefit of an elite. Aren't you also screwing over your lower class peoples by shutting them out of low skill jobs you impose on slaves?

((Going to go out of character for a bit, so forgive me. It really irks me that no one actually looks at how slaves are treated in Amarr society and instead look at how slaves are treated in the history of Earth.))

Let's be honest here, if the Empire were to reinstate a Reclaiming in the traditional sense of conquer many Minmatar would end up with better living conditions and a brighter future than they do currently.

((Going to go out of character for a bit, so forgive me. It really irks me that no one actually looks at how slaves are treated in Amarr society and instead look at how slaves are treated in the history of Earth.))

Let's be honest here, if the Empire were to reinstate a Reclaiming in the traditional sense of conquer many Minmatar would end up with better living conditions and a brighter future than they do currently.

That may be true in a handful of cases but at what cost? Short of the Elders or Republic dedicating themselves to saving them, they may never see their homes or loved ones again. You've most of the time destroyed their lives and may have killed their families so that you can "enlighten" them and force them to work for you. Don't deny it, if a slave were to just outright refuse to work you would kill him/her or at least harm them. You expect us to believe you're doing what is best for us by sending so many to your "hell"?

Don't the Ammarians give Minmatar slaves drugs? Viotic or whatever it's called just to make them think they're having a eurphoric feeling. I mean that doesn't sound like fun.

((Ooc: I think it's easy to think about Earth's slavery and that comes to mind first. Ammar slavery seems more like a reeducation camp than anything.))

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy;
Nor Peace, nor solace
For those who bear witness to these signs
And still do not believe."
- Book of Reclaiming 25:10

To truly hate an enemy, I find it is best to learn their ways. I am familiar with your scriptures. You would see the entire universe incorporated into your faith, and those who refuse murdered. You are monster, and none of you deserve my sympathy.

The way I see it.

If any rustbuckets fights and wins his freedom then god clearly supported him and he shall live free. If he loses and is enslaved we still have much to teach him.

So if we go to war with the republic and they win. I shall greet them as equals as this is God's chosen path. We are to unite the galaxies under are faith. That faith does not have to be under one flag at the end of the day

Get ready for that loss Amarrian. :) Mataris we are strong people who won't go down without a fight.

I do agree with you though. I'd rather have peace than more war. Mataris are only.angry because their people were enslaved and don't even get to practice their home rituals. Sure some are given jobs but they still live in poverty. Don't you think they would like to live back with their tribes?

You know he doesn't speak for the general beliefs of the empire. That is never going to be a stance that the empire will ever take on the Matari

Also In the E,pire no slave lives in poverty. Where ever did you get that idea?

Rumors amongst the tribes talk of slaves that live in poor areas. I've never had to deal with slavery or my family thankfully, but that's the words that were around in my Vherokior tribe.

.... Right listen to the words of those who would spread lies.... hey guess what I heard yesterday.... a Vherokior slave came up and thanked me for helping her see God's Light.

Now tell me the one about the Brutor falling in love with the Ammarian slaver lord.... And you say we lie

While I don't know too much about the conditions of the slavery in Amarr territory. I can admit that Minmatars are treated unfairly by many Gallente. I can't say all Gallente citizens share a dislike of Minmatars, but majority do not like us for reasons I'm unsure of. Maybe it's how much us Minmatars have influenced their youth with our fashion sense and our ritual of Voluval. You'd be surprised how many teens I've seen with Voluval like tattoos.

If you soak in water for very long, you'll absorb some moisture. It makes no difference whether you're chained in it or there by choice.

That your methods are effective is not seriously disputed, Templar Crusader. What the Matari, among others, dispute is your objective justification for doing so, and your ability to continue in the face of lots and lots of guns.

Ms Ryeon you know as well as I do that the Amarr have better guns.

Really? Last I checked the Caldari were second only to the Jove, while your guns are only at their most powerful seconds before they explode into a fireball.

I guess every body forget about that tech we got from the eve gate that whiped out a fleet in a single shot. :-) the amarr is the largest empire for a reason :-P

((Speaking of bad intel, neither the origin of that weapon nor its eventual fate is public knowledge.))

Fae-haan: as much as I may have some sympathy towards your feelings on the Amarr, they are allies to the State. Their expansionistic tendencies are held in check by their last couple of centuries of difficulty expanding.

Templar Crusader Ouryon: the Amarr may have more technologically-advanced weapons, but the Matari have gotten good at using what they have. You may wish to ask some of your naval compatriots their thoughts on the Hurricane-class battlecruiser or the Vagabond-class heavy assault ship. Both are capsuleer favorites, and not because they are outdated and toothless. Quite the opposite.

((Speaking of bad intel, neither the origin of that weapon nor its eventual fate is public knowledge.))

Fae-haan: as much as I may have some sympathy towards your feelings on the Amarr, they are allies to the State. Their expansionistic tendencies are held in check by their last couple of centuries of difficulty expanding.

Templar Crusader Ouryon: the Amarr may have more technologically-advanced weapons, but the Matari have gotten good at using what they have. You may wish to ask some of your naval compatriots their thoughts on the Hurricane-class battlecruiser or the Vagabond-class heavy assault ship. Both are capsuleer favorites, and not because they are outdated and toothless. Quite the opposite.

((Speaking of bad intel, neither the origin of that weapon nor its eventual fate is public knowledge.))

Fae-haan: as much as I may have some sympathy towards your feelings on the Amarr, they are allies to the State. Their expansionistic tendencies are held in check by their last couple of centuries of difficulty expanding.

Templar Crusader Ouryon: the Amarr may have more technologically-advanced weapons, but the Matari have gotten good at using what they have. You may wish to ask some of your naval compatriots their thoughts on the Hurricane-class battlecruiser or the Vagabond-class heavy assault ship. Both are capsuleer favorites, and not because they are outdated and toothless. Quite the opposite.