DUST Search - Mass Drivers: Increase Direct Damage, Reduce Splash Damage

I-Shayz-I wrote:

FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

Funkmaster Whale wrote:

Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.

Thoughts?

This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct.
Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing.
There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this.
In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing.

In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise,

Cheers,
Cross

I love you! But seriously add me in game. Would love to squad with you.

Hey now, I'm his number 1 fan.

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Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven EoN. 221	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:08:00 - [1] - Quote Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1585	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:26:00 - [2] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? Yeah. MDs are fine. ARs are way more noob toobey.
Ulysses Knapse Bojo's School of the Trades 478	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:30:00 - [3] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? For some reason, a grenade launcher having pitiful AoE damage seems like a bad idea.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven EoN. 221	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:30:00 - [4] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? Yeah. MDs are fine. ARs are way more noob toobey. I don't think you understand what a noob tube really is if you think that's the case.
Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 414	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:18:00 - [5] - Quote MDs to me are a bit over powered because of the high splash damage even if you miss you still hit for a lot.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 404	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:20:00 - [6] - Quote Nah. Leave it as is.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1449	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:36:00 - [7] - Quote Direct hit = More Luck Than Skill Unless CQC, But Even Then... With travel time like le dickens, I think that this rewarding of "skill" is more like the lottery: Super Big Prize - Little To No Chance Have you tried the breach good sir? Don't tell me it's crap because that is exactly where you are trying to take the normal mass driver.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1447	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:55:00 - [8] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.12 21:06:00 - [9] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross I love you! But seriously add me in game. Would love to squad with you.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 300	Posted - 2013.08.12 21:07:00 - [10] - Quote Except the Assault becomes useless as a suppression weapon, and the Breach becomes even more of a bad shotgun.

low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 282	Posted - 2013.08.12 21:07:00 - [11] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? stop balancing stuff until we get a proper set of suits and guns. if anything buff the laser rifle, buff the plasma cannon, buff the hmg
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 268	Posted - 2013.08.12 21:29:00 - [12] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? Stop point and shooting and think of other tactics. Make a grenade launcher kill with direct shots? Um. Okay lawl dude it kills by shock waves. Get better at dust. Thoughts?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1593	Posted - 2013.08.12 21:32:00 - [13] - Quote low genius wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? stop balancing stuff until we get a proper set of suits and guns. if anything buff the laser rifle, buff the plasma cannon, buff the hmg I agree with the buffs, but the AR does need corrected. Also, this lack of completion hasn't stopped CCP from nerfing a ton of other weapons. I find it silly that all of a sudden, now that the AR is the target, people seem to think that nerfing needs to wait. No, it doesn't need to wait. It needs to happen sooner rather than later.
Cosgar ParagonX 4132	Posted - 2013.08.13 00:50:00 - [14] - Quote Wouldn't it be easier to buff the breach MD's RoF so it's more worthwhile to use?
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 303	Posted - 2013.08.13 01:47:00 - [15] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to buff the breach MD's RoF so it's more worthwhile to use? I've been saying this for the last couple of days now. THe Breach needs the RoF of the standard, as it is now, there is no reason to use it over the standard.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5382	Posted - 2013.08.13 01:50:00 - [16] - Quote Splash is the whole point of the mass driver, its suppose to be aerial denial.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1599	Posted - 2013.08.13 01:52:00 - [17] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Splash is the whole point of the mass driver, its suppose to be aerial denial. Area not aerial, but yeah.
McFurious TeamPlayers EoN. 289	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:02:00 - [18] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Splash is the whole point of the mass driver, its suppose to be aerial denial. Area not aerial, but yeah. MD's scare dropships too. Just saying.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 61	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:09:00 - [19] - Quote More direct damage, more splash damage, larger splash radius, 1-2 shots before reload. Long reload. Less noob tube, more area denial.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 234	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:24:00 - [20] - Quote 6.0-8.0 blast radius? Check. Disrupt aiming? Check. Throws smoke in your face so you can't see? Check. 150+dmg splash? Lol check. Littered in PC matches? Check. Did I mention semi-automatic with 6 rounds? Yea it has that too. Nono it's totally balanced and everyone that uses it agrees...

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1126	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:37:00 - [21] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: 6.0-8.0 blast radius? Check. Disrupt aiming? Check. Throws smoke in your face so you can't see? Check. 150+dmg splash? Lol check. Littered in PC matches? Check. Did I mention semi-automatic with 6 rounds? Yea it has that too. Nono it's totally balanced and everyone that uses it agrees... only the assault can get 6+m splash and it can't get 150 splash damage. and the reason its littered in PC is to disrupt squad play and area denial. it is balanced. they are better faster ways to kill people then the MD.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 611	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:46:00 - [22] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross I love you! But seriously add me in game. Would love to squad with you. Hey now, I'm his number 1 fan.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1450	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:49:00 - [23] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross I love you! But seriously add me in game. Would love to squad with you. Hey now, I'm his number 1 fan. Squads have 6 spaces, just sayin'
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1847	Posted - 2013.08.13 10:10:00 - [24] - Quote low genius wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? stop balancing stuff until we get a proper set of suits and guns. if anything buff the laser rifle, buff the plasma cannon, buff the hmg Plasma Cannon is fine,
paulus777 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.08.13 11:47:00 - [25] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits. Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross I have to agree with the above as the MD stands now you can have great direct damage or AoE not the best of both. And just to make a point about these being 'noobtubes' try using one at a bit of range! With a 3-4 second travel time and arcing fire it needs skill to use! Lets not nerf everything because it can sometimes take down a Cal Logi with an AR! LetGÇÖs keep some usable variety in this game.


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