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Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:08:00 -
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Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1585
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:26:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? Yeah. MDs are fine.
ARs are way more noob toobey. |
Ulysses Knapse
Bojo's School of the Trades
478
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:30:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? For some reason, a grenade launcher having pitiful AoE damage seems like a bad idea. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven EoN.
221
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:30:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? Yeah. MDs are fine. ARs are way more noob toobey.
I don't think you understand what a noob tube really is if you think that's the case. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
414
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:18:00 -
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MDs to me are a bit over powered because of the high splash damage even if you miss you still hit for a lot. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
404
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:20:00 -
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Nah. Leave it as is. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1449
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:36:00 -
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Direct hit = More Luck Than Skill Unless CQC, But Even Then...
With travel time like le dickens, I think that this rewarding of "skill" is more like the lottery: Super Big Prize - Little To No Chance Have you tried the breach good sir? Don't tell me it's crap because that is exactly where you are trying to take the normal mass driver. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1447
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:55:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts?
This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing.
In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise,
Cheers, Cross |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
267
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:06:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross I love you! But seriously add me in game. Would love to squad with you. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
300
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:07:00 -
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Except the Assault becomes useless as a suppression weapon, and the Breach becomes even more of a bad shotgun. |
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
282
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:07:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts?
stop balancing stuff until we get a proper set of suits and guns. if anything buff the laser rifle, buff the plasma cannon, buff the hmg |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
268
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:29:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? Stop point and shooting and think of other tactics. Make a grenade launcher kill with direct shots? Um. Okay lawl dude it kills by shock waves. Get better at dust.
Thoughts? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1593
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:32:00 -
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low genius wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? stop balancing stuff until we get a proper set of suits and guns. if anything buff the laser rifle, buff the plasma cannon, buff the hmg I agree with the buffs, but the AR does need corrected. Also, this lack of completion hasn't stopped CCP from nerfing a ton of other weapons. I find it silly that all of a sudden, now that the AR is the target, people seem to think that nerfing needs to wait.
No, it doesn't need to wait. It needs to happen sooner rather than later. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4132
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:50:00 -
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Wouldn't it be easier to buff the breach MD's RoF so it's more worthwhile to use? |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
303
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:47:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Wouldn't it be easier to buff the breach MD's RoF so it's more worthwhile to use?
I've been saying this for the last couple of days now. THe Breach needs the RoF of the standard, as it is now, there is no reason to use it over the standard.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5382
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:50:00 -
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Splash is the whole point of the mass driver, its suppose to be aerial denial. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1599
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:52:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Splash is the whole point of the mass driver, its suppose to be aerial denial. Area not aerial, but yeah. |
McFurious
TeamPlayers EoN.
289
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:02:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Splash is the whole point of the mass driver, its suppose to be aerial denial. Area not aerial, but yeah.
MD's scare dropships too. Just saying. |
Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:09:00 -
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More direct damage, more splash damage, larger splash radius, 1-2 shots before reload. Long reload. Less noob tube, more area denial. |
Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC
234
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:24:00 -
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6.0-8.0 blast radius? Check. Disrupt aiming? Check. Throws smoke in your face so you can't see? Check.
150+dmg splash? Lol check. Littered in PC matches? Check.
Did I mention semi-automatic with 6 rounds? Yea it has that too.
Nono it's totally balanced and everyone that uses it agrees... |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1126
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:37:00 -
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Vin Vicious wrote:6.0-8.0 blast radius? Check. Disrupt aiming? Check. Throws smoke in your face so you can't see? Check.
150+dmg splash? Lol check. Littered in PC matches? Check.
Did I mention semi-automatic with 6 rounds? Yea it has that too.
Nono it's totally balanced and everyone that uses it agrees...
only the assault can get 6+m splash and it can't get 150 splash damage. and the reason its littered in PC is to disrupt squad play and area denial. it is balanced. they are better faster ways to kill people then the MD. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
611
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:46:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross I love you! But seriously add me in game. Would love to squad with you.
Hey now, I'm his number 1 fan. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1450
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:49:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross I love you! But seriously add me in game. Would love to squad with you. Hey now, I'm his number 1 fan. Squads have 6 spaces, just sayin' |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1847
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:10:00 -
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low genius wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? stop balancing stuff until we get a proper set of suits and guns. if anything buff the laser rifle, buff the plasma cannon, buff the hmg Plasma Cannon is fine, |
paulus777
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:47:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Make them less noobtubey and more rewarding for those who actually get direct hits.
Thoughts? This would destroy the diversity of the types of MD as some are more geared for AoE and some for direct. Right now the MD gains an excessive benefit from the way explosive damage is calculated but that is changing. There is also some evidence that a latency issue is effecting things for all AoE weapons, CCP is looking into this. In addition there's the chance that AoE damage is being counted as a double head shot due to arcs of application, this last is unconfirmed but could explain a great deal of the behavior we're seeing. In short I think that we need to get these general/core mechanics fixed and then see where things stand rather than playing with the stats on specific weapons, MD or otherwise, Cheers, Cross
I have to agree with the above as the MD stands now you can have great direct damage or AoE not the best of both.
And just to make a point about these being 'noobtubes' try using one at a bit of range! With a 3-4 second travel time and arcing fire it needs skill to use! Lets not nerf everything because it can sometimes take down a Cal Logi with an AR! LetGÇÖs keep some usable variety in this game.
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