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Leovarian L Lavitz Better Academy. 514	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:36:00 - [1] - Quote Dust used to look absolutely outstanding, what happened to it and why?
First Prophet Valor Company Incorporated 796	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:37:00 - [2] - Quote Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\
Leovarian L Lavitz Better Academy. 514	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:38:00 - [3] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work.
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 64	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:42:00 - [4] - Quote I would take decent gameplay over sparkles and lighting effects. CCP is having enough trouble as it is getting hit detection and the 3d models to run right that they should have to worry about not blowing up my machine entirely.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 187	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:45:00 - [5] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. CCP has been very open by the fact that Unreal can't take the features that would be on Carbon. PS4 is pretty much the only thing that can take Carbon.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1177	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:52:00 - [6] - Quote Dust always seems to be going backwards in development with the promise that it will eventually return to where it started. Hey guys, we have large open landscapes with giant MCCs and a bunch of air and ground vehicles! Plus a giant warbarge to explore outside of combat! Ok, no more large landscapes and aerial fighters, but we still have the awesome moving MCCs! And only one room in the warbarge but hey it's still there! No more moving MCC, but hey we still haves guns and a few vehicles! Oh hey look Fan Fest, we're going to have PVE coming later this year and gas planets and boarding spaceships shortly after! A lot of people are complaining that everything in the game now is somehow inherently broken so we're going to shift our focus, enjoy all the same stuff you've had for over a year while we tend to their every tear!
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 278	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:58:00 - [7] - Quote well they had PS4 Dev kits at the Shanghai offices so I do expect this game to move away from PS3 to PS4 because the limitations.
IIphalanxII Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:05:00 - [8] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: well they had PS4 Dev kits at the Shanghai offices so I do expect this game to move away from PS3 to PS4 because the limitations. that is why i'm angered, they are not telling anything like, hey ppl support us cause we are trying harder so we can be ready for PS4, instead they say we made a new laser rifle scope F**** Y****
bacon blaster BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 125	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:06:00 - [9] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: well they had PS4 Dev kits at the Shanghai offices so I do expect this game to move away from PS3 to PS4 because the limitations. They want to keep a ps3 version up for a few years because not everyone can afford a new game system on release. (Not made of money, and you can tell because I have not yet spent myself to death) That said, I can't wait to see what they do with it on the ps4.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 505	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:08:00 - [10] - Quote Go ps4 or go home

R F Gyro Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 459	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:16:00 - [11] - Quote IIphalanxII wrote: that is why i'm angered, they are not telling anything like, hey ppl support us cause we are trying harder so we can be ready for PS4, instead they say we made a new laser rifle scope F**** Y**** I'm fairly sure CCP's contract with Sony will prevent them talking about Dust on PS4 (or any other platform). Dust exclusive to PS3 for 1 year was supposed to be one of the things keeping people buying PS3s while everyone waits for PS4 launch. That won't work if people who want Dust are saying "we'll wait for the PS4 version". Of course, no-one's buying PS3s for Dust at all now, so its kind of academic.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3536	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:19:00 - [12] - Quote CARBON is not just a game engine. It's also a complete gaming architecture that is used to power Eve Online. It's a very complex game engine. Besides, CCP didn't have time to fully implement it on a large scale compared to their lab tests so they had to go with the Unreal Engine.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2919	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:20:00 - [13] - Quote That being said, why not just consider all of PS3 the beta, and a short beta on PS4?
IIphalanxII Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:21:00 - [14] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: IIphalanxII wrote: that is why i'm angered, they are not telling anything like, hey ppl support us cause we are trying harder so we can be ready for PS4, instead they say we made a new laser rifle scope F**** Y**** I'm fairly sure CCP's contract with Sony will prevent them talking about Dust on PS4 (or any other platform). Dust exclusive to PS3 for 1 year was supposed to be one of the things keeping people buying PS3s while everyone waits for PS4 launch. That won't work if people who want Dust are saying "we'll wait for the PS4 version". Of course, no-one's buying PS3s for Dust at all now, so its kind of academic. all of the developers in different games talk like: we will see in the future, we have plans but we cannot talk about them we want to transition but we have 1 year contract and we are happy for now.... i've heard it in a ton of game reviews why can't CCP do the same???? like Dust community support us and in the future will come awesome graphical advancements. dude that's what diplomacy and marketing is all about..
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 75	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:26:00 - [15] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: That being said, why not just consider all of PS3 the beta, and a short beta on PS4? That's exactly what's going. Dust on PS3 is a beta for Dust on PS4.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3033	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:43:00 - [16] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dust used to look absolutely outstanding, what happened to it and why? WHY does everyone think the 2009 demo was some kind of paradigm of visuals? It looked flat and generic. The guns and vehicles all looked like knock-offs of stuff you could buy off the shelf today, and it suffered from "brown world" more than even Battlefield 3. Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. You can't "keep assets" between engines. You MIGHT be able to carry over your audio files, but every last visual and mechanical asset has to be built again in the new engine. Trust me, I have some experience with this.
Viktor Zokas 187. 188	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:51:00 - [17] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dust used to look absolutely outstanding, what happened to it and why? WHY does everyone think the 2009 demo was some kind of paradigm of visuals? It looked flat and generic. The guns and vehicles all looked like knock-offs of stuff you could buy off the shelf today, and it suffered from "brown world" more than even Battlefield 3. Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. You can't "keep assets" between engines. You MIGHT be able to carry over your audio files, but every last visual and mechanical asset has to be built again in the new engine. Trust me, I have some experience with this. You must be a wizard, go on.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2431	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:54:00 - [18] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dust used to look absolutely outstanding, what happened to it and why? WHY does everyone think the 2009 demo was some kind of paradigm of visuals? It looked flat and generic. The guns and vehicles all looked like knock-offs of stuff you could buy off the shelf today, and it suffered from "brown world" more than even Battlefield 3. Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. You can't "keep assets" between engines. You MIGHT be able to carry over your audio files, but every last visual and mechanical asset has to be built again in the new engine. Trust me, I have some experience with this. And yet it looked better than it does right now. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 278	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:54:00 - [19] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dust used to look absolutely outstanding, what happened to it and why? WHY does everyone think the 2009 demo was some kind of paradigm of visuals? It looked flat and generic. The guns and vehicles all looked like knock-offs of stuff you could buy off the shelf today, and it suffered from "brown world" more than even Battlefield 3. Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. You can't "keep assets" between engines. You MIGHT be able to carry over your audio files, but every last visual and mechanical asset has to be built again in the new engine. Trust me, I have some experience with this. trust me, I`m a doctor :P I trust you and boy does it suck, might be longer till we get LAAs :O
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3036	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:55:00 - [20] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dust used to look absolutely outstanding, what happened to it and why? WHY does everyone think the 2009 demo was some kind of paradigm of visuals? It looked flat and generic. The guns and vehicles all looked like knock-offs of stuff you could buy off the shelf today, and it suffered from "brown world" more than even Battlefield 3. Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. You can't "keep assets" between engines. You MIGHT be able to carry over your audio files, but every last visual and mechanical asset has to be built again in the new engine. Trust me, I have some experience with this. You must be a wizard, go on. Back when I was part of the team working on MechWarrior Living Legends, people in our community used to ask why we didn't just take everything we had in CryEngine 2 and just drop it into CryEngine 3. The fact of the matter is that even migrating to a newer version of the same engine, we would have had to throw everything out and start over. Every asset and every gameplay mechanic would have to be rebuilt in the new version. Now imagine going from your own in-house engine to a completely unrelated one produced by another company.

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2574	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:55:00 - [21] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dust used to look absolutely outstanding, what happened to it and why? WHY does everyone think the 2009 demo was some kind of paradigm of visuals? It looked flat and generic. The guns and vehicles all looked like knock-offs of stuff you could buy off the shelf today, and it suffered from "brown world" more than even Battlefield 3. Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. You can't "keep assets" between engines. You MIGHT be able to carry over your audio files, but every last visual and mechanical asset has to be built again in the new engine. Trust me, I have some experience with this. You must be a wizard, go on. He's right though. You can't just copy-paste from one engine into another. They both work differently. What works on Unreal won't work on Carbon because they're two completely different systems. Unless you have some ultimate wisdom you're hiding from us.
Sylwester Dziewiecki Beyond Hypothetical Box 139	Posted - 2013.08.11 18:02:00 - [22] - Quote Exploding MCC in 2009 demo gave the impression of being right next to an exploding atomic bomb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzVjggarRns it looks so alive: rivers, brides, moving WarBareg, MCC hangar, effects.. but it is just move(something generated to look good, and thats it).
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 279	Posted - 2013.08.11 18:03:00 - [23] - Quote well if they use this guy he would use his skills to transfer the coding from 1 desktop to the other while getting smoke blown i9n his face and laser lights flash in his face! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBX6cAtpkC8&feature=c4-overview&list=UU3cxDDMpYTZ7PqZma4NdNuA
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3038	Posted - 2013.08.11 18:07:00 - [24] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: well if they use this guy he would use his skills to transfer the coding from 1 desktop to the other while getting smoke blown i9n his face and laser lights flash in his face! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBX6cAtpkC8&feature=c4-overview&list=UU3cxDDMpYTZ7PqZma4NdNuA Yes, CCP Veritas is pretty amazing, even without his awesome beard. However, what we're talking about is just outside the realm of possibility. You can't migrate assets across engines.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 279	Posted - 2013.08.11 18:09:00 - [25] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: well if they use this guy he would use his skills to transfer the coding from 1 desktop to the other while getting smoke blown i9n his face and laser lights flash in his face! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBX6cAtpkC8&feature=c4-overview&list=UU3cxDDMpYTZ7PqZma4NdNuA Yes, CCP Veritas is pretty amazing, even without his awesome beard. However, what we're talking about is just outside the realm of possibility. You can't migrate assets across engines. I was in the realm of joking and ignoring logic for the sake of the joke
tribal wyvern ZionTCD 971	Posted - 2013.08.11 18:36:00 - [26] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. How do we know they threw everything out? For all we know they could have kept the progress made with carbon and release it on ps4 2 years from now.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 279	Posted - 2013.08.11 18:54:00 - [27] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. How do we know they threw everything out? For all we know they could have kept the progress made with carbon and release it on ps4 2 years from now. well I wouldn`t say it would be genius to delete it (btw I`m not mocking your comment or sarcastically jibing you) so here`s hoping CCP kept it just in case.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3044	Posted - 2013.08.11 20:31:00 - [28] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: First Prophet wrote: Carbon was meant for high end PCs. It melted PS3s. So they switched to Unreal. Edit: Also learn to use the search function. :\ Why did they throw out all of their assets then? It's like they started from scratch after five years of work. How do we know they threw everything out? For all we know they could have kept the progress made with carbon and release it on ps4 2 years from now. well I wouldn`t say it would be genius to delete it (btw I`m not mocking your comment or sarcastically jibing you) so here`s hoping CCP kept it just in case. Now THAT would seem perfectly within the realm of possibility. As well, given they've teased the idea of shared social spaces, I don't think a difference of engines would be an issue here. For one example, after the Trinity 2.0 upgrade, they kept the 1.0 client available for people to download who couldn't match the new specs, and both clients ran alongside each other for the next 2 years, both have all the same functionality with the only difference being what they rendered. Given that the tech demos for Unreal 3 around the time of Gears of War 2 showcased groups of hundreds of character assets all moving through a tightly packed environment without framerate drop, I think just rending simple characters walking around, even in fairly large numbers, wouldn't be too stressful. From what we've seen of the PS4, it could easily handle Trinity 2.0, which is the actual rendering engine of CARBON, which is their Core Technology Framework that encompasses that, their physics engine Destiny, and several other systems. The eventual idea they stated was to have one platform that EVE, Dust, and World of Darkness all operate on.
Orca Amsel Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 188	Posted - 2013.08.11 20:52:00 - [29] - Quote Why does everyone think the 2009 demo was using the carbon engine? From 2009 there was this rumor post on dust514.org that said CCP will be using Unreal engine for this game. CCP switching engines was something that I asked CCP nothin about a few months ago and got this answer Quote: May 03 02:55:14 Orca_Amsel hey [CCP]nothin do you know when ccp switch to unreal for dust? May 03 02:55:23 Orca_Amsel switched* May 03 02:55:38 [CCP]nothin it's been on Unreal since it was announced May 03 02:55:44 Orca_Amsel since 2009? May 03 02:55:48 [CCP]nothin yup
Leovarian L Lavitz Better Academy. 516	Posted - 2013.08.11 20:56:00 - [30] - Quote Orca Amsel wrote: Why does everyone think the 2009 demo was using the carbon engine? From 2009 there was this rumor post on dust514.org that said CCP will be using Unreal engine for this game. CCP switching engines was something that I asked CCP nothin about a few months ago and got this answer Quote: May 03 02:55:14 Orca_Amsel hey [CCP]nothin do you know when ccp switch to unreal for dust? May 03 02:55:23 Orca_Amsel switched* May 03 02:55:38 [CCP]nothin it's been on Unreal since it was announced May 03 02:55:44 Orca_Amsel since 2009? May 03 02:55:48 [CCP]nothin yup Perhaps the confusion comes from the artist mock ups and the initial videos which may have been done in the carbon engine.



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