DUST Search - Why is there Clone Count in Objective Games? (Domination)

Aero Yassavi wrote:

8213 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

8213 wrote:

Skirmish wins by Objective most of the time.

But Domination comes down to Clone Count more than Objective 99% of the time. So what's the point of having Ambush and Domination game modes, when they are both won the same way?

Funny, I have yet to see a Domination come done to clone count.

I'm thinking whoever you are playing with in Domination keeps spamming units into the choke points in hopes that you will eventually overpower them and take the objective, but that is a terrible tactic and I'm glad it's discouraged.

Are you seriously joking?
Or have you only played one game of Domination?

MOST games (by most I mean 9/10) cmoe down to clone count because eventually the other gives up trying to take the objective and they just sit back go for kills. 150 kills takes about 5 minutes for a good team (even if the other team whips out the Nanite Injectors in full force).

Well considering I play a ton of Domination and have never seen it, my only conclusion is you and whoever frequently tags along with you must die about 50 times a match.


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8213 Grade No.2 134	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:32:00 - [1] - Quote I was just in another game where the enemy MCC had 1 bar of life left. We had over 75%, but we lost because of clone count. My team was playing good, we people fulfilling their roles, and everything was going according to plan and how the game was meant to be played. We were dominating the objective, and keeping it safe. So, when we actually play the objective in an objective based game mode, we get punished for it? When we sacrifice ourselves to gain and protect the objective at all costs, we lose? If I want to play a game where its about killing off the other team's clone reserves I'll select Ambush. You already punish our dying by making us lose ISK/AURUM, so why make us lose the game too? I don't care how long the game lasts, its an objective based game mode, not a killing based game mode. If you want a game with both, then I suggest making a new game mode, since we've gone from 4 down to 3, we could really use one. Seriously CCP, who are you trying to appease? Yourselves, or your some microscopic niche in a market that's the one of the most competitive on the planet? I've noticed in Domination games (especially Nyain San Corporation) teams don't even try for the objective, they just camp above it spamming Mass Drivers the whole game, because they know by doing that they'll win the game eventually via Clone Count. So why even place a NULL Cannon in the game if you don't need to it win? So, can CCP or someone on this board explain to me why Domination or Skirmish has Clone Count?
8213 Grade No.2 134	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:36:00 - [2] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: One of the objectives is completing the mission within your limited clone supply. Your team obviously wasn't playing that objective very well. So why is there a NULL Cannon placed in the game? Is it basically an Ambush game with a secondary/optional objective put into it?
8213 Grade No.2 134	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:38:00 - [3] - Quote TunRa wrote: 8213 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: One of the objectives is completing the mission within your limited clone supply. Your team obviously wasn't playing that objective very well. So why is there a NULL Cannon placed in the game? Is it basically an Ambush game with a secondary/optional objective put into it? So if you are losing you can still win. lol
8213 Grade No.2 134	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:39:00 - [4] - Quote Mad Mav wrote: We are being contracted to protect/attack those objectives. The contractors pay for a certain amount of clones and once those have been extinguished we can't return to the battle. If you consider FW, it makes a bit more since. So WHY is there a NULL Cannon in the game? You don't need to touch it to win the match. So we basically have 1 game mode in DUST 514
8213 Grade No.2 135	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:52:00 - [5] - Quote Skirmish wins by Objective most of the time. But Domination comes down to Clone Count more than Objective 99% of the time. So what's the point of having Ambush and Domination game modes, when they are both won the same way?
8213 Grade No.2 135	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:56:00 - [6] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I know you want a meaningful message that tells how I agree and you should have won. Each member of your team died at least 9 times. You were sht. That's if you take an average and not factor in new players coming into the game when old players leave. So dying while trying to get a hack, or keeping the hack means you're sht? Funny, I thought it was an objective based game mode, apparently, I was wrong. Adding Clone count to an Objective game actually does the opposite of what I think CCP was trying to achieve, instead of adding more depth to the game, it actually took depth away. From now on, my team will just sit somewhere and spam Forge Guns and Mass Drivers until we kill 150 clones... which should take only about 5 minutes(faster than the NULL Cannon can destroy our MCC)
8213 Grade No.2 135	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:59:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: 8213 wrote: Skirmish wins by Objective most of the time. But Domination comes down to Clone Count more than Objective 99% of the time. So what's the point of having Ambush and Domination game modes, when they are both won the same way? Funny, I have yet to see a Domination come done to clone count. I'm thinking whoever you are playing with in Domination keeps spamming units into the choke points in hopes that you will eventually overpower them and take the objective, but that is a terrible tactic and I'm glad it's discouraged. Are you seriously joking? Or have you only played one game of Domination? MOST games (by most I mean 9/10) cmoe down to clone count because eventually the other gives up trying to take the objective and they just sit back go for kills. 150 kills takes about 5 minutes for a good team (even if the other team whips out the Nanite Injectors in full force).
8213 Grade No.2 135	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:06:00 - [8] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: 8213 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: 8213 wrote: Skirmish wins by Objective most of the time. But Domination comes down to Clone Count more than Objective 99% of the time. So what's the point of having Ambush and Domination game modes, when they are both won the same way? Funny, I have yet to see a Domination come done to clone count. I'm thinking whoever you are playing with in Domination keeps spamming units into the choke points in hopes that you will eventually overpower them and take the objective, but that is a terrible tactic and I'm glad it's discouraged. Are you seriously joking? Or have you only played one game of Domination? MOST games (by most I mean 9/10) cmoe down to clone count because eventually the other gives up trying to take the objective and they just sit back go for kills. 150 kills takes about 5 minutes for a good team (even if the other team whips out the Nanite Injectors in full force). Well considering I play a ton of Domination and have never seen it, my only conclusion is you and whoever frequently tags along with you must die about 50 times a match. Honestly, your opinion is officially null and void. I am convinced you are lying or trolling.
8213 Grade No.2 135	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:13:00 - [9] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: That amarr guy is one hardcore RPlayers so I don't think he can troll... Seriously do you play solo or with squads? Name some corps you play domination with. Mine, Team Players, GIANT, and sometimes just a squad of scattered people. I almost never Domination solo, because I value my sanity. But don't worry, I'm going to do what Nyain San does, just spam mass drivers the whole game until we win. F*ck PTFO, who needs it?
8213 Grade No.2 135	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:24:00 - [10] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: 8213 wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: That amarr guy is one hardcore RPlayers so I don't think he can troll... Seriously do you play solo or with squads? Name some corps you play domination with. Mine, Team Players, GIANT, and sometimes just a squad of scattered people. I almost never Domination solo, because I value my sanity. But don't worry, I'm going to do what Nyain San does, just spam mass drivers the whole game until we win. F*ck PTFO, who needs it? Go get some of your buddies to attest to these statements. Wait right here... don't go anywhere, you sit right in front of that computer monitor and I'll come back with my buddies, just to appease you. Because Its not like I've been playing this game for a long time, and did for my YouTube channel for a while that I was able to network into the semi-decent players in this game when the player count was less than 2,000. Don't go anywhere

8213 Grade No.2 136	Posted - 2013.08.11 16:55:00 - [11] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: I play lots of domination and I only ever see clone victory when the other team is unwisely spamming the objective. Also you can stop hacks without dying. Nobodies trolling you. Yup, those stupid teams that try to play the objective in an objective game mode. Why don't they just stay off the objective and just go for kills? Ambush players should just play Domination, since its like a double version of OMS
8213 Grade No.2 136	Posted - 2013.08.11 17:03:00 - [12] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: 8213 wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: I play lots of domination and I only ever see clone victory when the other team is unwisely spamming the objective. Also you can stop hacks without dying. Nobodies trolling you. Yup, those stupid teams that try to play the objective in an objective game mode. Why don't they just stay off the objective and just go for kills? Ambush players should just play Domination, since its like a double version of OMS Spamming the objective isn't exactly the same thing as playing the objective. Try using some real battle tactics. Like getting to a high point that over looks the objective and just spam it with Forges, MDs, and Snipers? Good idea.