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They buffed the knives unncessarily in the second uprising 1.0... the damage listed in the 'show info box' used to show the damge per swipe when charged. Now it shows the damage per swipe -without- being charged. This means they can do the same damage as before, but much faster. Which is somewhat fine. That's a reasonable buff.

However, add on the tidbit where charging them makes them do roughly double that listed damage per swipe.... That starts to get a bit crazy. Then factor in the skill bonus from knives, and possibly sidearm damage mods. Then you've got the suit bonus from minny scout, if you fancy ugly rusty suits :P

Something having a difficult/niche use is no excuse for it being -too awesome-. There's a fine line between rewarding weapons that highly rely on player skill and making those weapons too powerful. CCP crossed it here, in my humble opinion. The current uncharged /old charged damage is fine-as it. But It'd honestly rather they revert to the old method and make the uncharged swipes do less damage. These things should mostly be swung when not charged as a follow-up to a charged attack if it doesn't quite kill someone. They shouldn't be a OHK-opener you can use without charging and still have such a great effect.

-CPM Nova Knife #13 Posted: 2013.07.24 22:47

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mollerz Minja Scouts 853	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:36:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts, Per our contract to knife kill Fang 95 upon sight based on his lobbying efforts to nerf our weapon (SEE HERE) I think, as would any scout no doubt agree, thoroughness is paramount. It isn't a matter of fairness. It isn't a matter of honor. Or pride. It's a matter of wiping our enemies off the face of Eden proper. As I said, a matter of thoroughness. That being said, I shall present evidence of of Nova Knifes transgressions. I think you will see, by hi s own mouth, he condemned himself to die by the knife he pretends to uphold. Quote: They buffed the knives unncessarily in the second uprising 1.0... the damage listed in the 'show info box' used to show the damge per swipe when charged. Now it shows the damage per swipe -without- being charged. This means they can do the same damage as before, but much faster. Which is somewhat fine. That's a reasonable buff. However, add on the tidbit where charging them makes them do roughly double that listed damage per swipe.... That starts to get a bit crazy. Then factor in the skill bonus from knives, and possibly sidearm damage mods. Then you've got the suit bonus from minny scout, if you fancy ugly rusty suits :P Something having a difficult/niche use is no excuse for it being -too awesome-. There's a fine line between rewarding weapons that highly rely on player skill and making those weapons too powerful. CCP crossed it here, in my humble opinion. The current uncharged /old charged damage is fine-as it. But It'd honestly rather they revert to the old method and make the uncharged swipes do less damage. These things should mostly be swung when not charged as a follow-up to a charged attack if it doesn't quite kill someone. They shouldn't be a OHK-opener you can use without charging and still have such a great effect. -CPM Nova Knife #13 Posted: 2013.07.24 22:47 See Original Thread Here He quickly disappeared, as he no doubt realizes how dangerous his words are in new eden. Sometimes politicians speak off the cuff. But, given his position, we can not sit on our laurels. He professes to be a knifer. He even took the name of our beloved weapon as his own! But it is obvious, he is working within the CPM to undermine ninjas everywhere while under the guise of being a proponent to our cause. We must cut this man down. He is a traitor.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 687	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:40:00 - [2] - Quote I'll bet he hates the HS bonus for scrambler pistols.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2909	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:46:00 - [3] - Quote This could be fun. Not this specific bounty, but scouts getting people to go after. Maybe we can expand to different types of kills. The scout description doesn't mention assassination for nothing!
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 847	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:46:00 - [4] - Quote I could count the times I have been killed by nova knives on one hand. Hell a blind butcher could count the number of times I have been killed by nova knives on one hand. Clearly they are OP I mean a melee weapon that can be outranged by a heavy walking backwards is OP for sure.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1319	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:49:00 - [5] - Quote I've spoken my piece on the matter. I liked to think I properly displayed how broken they were at Fanfest when I was given the chance to 1v1 a couple CCP dudes in a closed room, and not only annihilated them, but the innocent spectators (who were using guns, and included the rest of the CPM) as well which later tried to join in to assist the CCP guys. However, they left the knives with their doubled power anyways, and as hilarious as they are right now... I do think they're too strong, but not by a lot. All that's left to say is : Come get some! Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :)
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 107	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:50:00 - [6] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Come get some! Sh*t's about to go down.
RKKR The Southern Legion 312	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:53:00 - [7] - Quote New Eden is going to be pretty lame when everyone gets a bounty for expressing their opinion.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 847	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:54:00 - [8] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I've spoken my piece on the matter. I liked to think I properly displayed how broken they were at Fanfest when I was given the chance to 1v1 a couple CCP dudes in a closed room, and not only annihilated them, but the innocent spectators as well which later tried to join in to assist the CCP guys. However, they left the knives with their doubled power anyways, and as hilarious as they are right now... I do think they're too strong, but not by a lot. All that's left to say is : Come get some! Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :) Really? Melee weapons excel at close range combat? Who wuda thunk it.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 677	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:03:00 - [9] - Quote RKKR wrote: New Eden is going to be pretty lame when everyone gets a bounty for expressing their opinion. Pretty lame... or pretty awesome?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 366	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:23:00 - [10] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: This could be fun. Not this specific bounty, but scouts getting people to go after. Maybe we can expand to different types of kills. The scout description doesn't mention assassination for nothing! If assassination mean killing of just one clone - it's not true assassination. There has to be some value attached to it. There has to be some real loss that the target takes - like a certain isk value lost from the vallet or loss of an implanted booster. I am not sure how to implement this in the game though. However, without this it would be just hollow role palying.

Brolaire of Asstoria Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:31:00 - [11] - Quote Sorry....let me get this straight.... Someone actually asked for Nova Knives to be nerfed!? You have got to be ******* kidding me...
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 562	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:32:00 - [12] - Quote So - how do you collect a bounty on someone who doesn't play
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 453	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:32:00 - [13] - Quote RKKR wrote: New Eden is going to be pretty lame when everyone gets a bounty for expressing their opinion. Perhaps you haven't played Eve recently. Pretty much everyone does have a bounty and often just for being their let alone for having an opionion and sharing it. Heck, by Eve standards sharing an opinion is way more justification than you need to put a bounty on someone.
J0LLY R0G3R A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 51	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:32:00 - [14] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: RKKR wrote: New Eden is going to be pretty lame when everyone gets a bounty for expressing their opinion. Pretty lame... or pretty awesome? I'd go with pretty awesome.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7133	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:34:00 - [15] - Quote A feature requested on eve, Placing Bounties from the Forums. Closest thing to an unlike button you're going to get.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 680	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:42:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: A feature requested on eve, Placing Bounties from the Forums. Closest thing to an unlike button you're going to get. Now this is a feature I could get behind.
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 529	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:10:00 - [17] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: RKKR wrote: New Eden is going to be pretty lame when everyone gets a bounty for expressing their opinion. Pretty lame... or pretty awesome? Seriously. Lets get some actual in game bounty mechanics going. We are mercenaries after all.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 3065	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:28:00 - [18] - Quote Brolaire of Asstoria wrote: Sorry....let me get this straight.... Someone actually asked for Nova Knives to be nerfed!? You have got to be ******* kidding me... Correction, Nova Knife asked for Nova knives to be nerfed, the singular really doesn't like the plural eh?
Billi Gene The Southern Legion 231	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:33:00 - [19] - Quote RKKR wrote: New Eden is going to be pretty lame when everyone gets a bounty for expressing their opinion. oh now you're just asking for a bounty on your head Rocka
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 1709	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:35:00 - [20] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I've spoken my piece on the matter. I liked to think I properly displayed how broken they were at Fanfest when I was given the chance to 1v1 a couple CCP dudes in a closed room, and not only annihilated them, but the innocent spectators (who were using guns, and included the rest of the CPM) as well which later tried to join in to assist the CCP guys. However, they left the knives with their doubled power anyways, and as hilarious as they are right now... I do think they're too strong, but not by a lot. All that's left to say is : Come get some! Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :) Annihilated CCP employees? Even with knives, that isn't impressive

Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1329	Posted - 2013.08.11 01:27:00 - [21] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Annihilated CCP employees? Even with knives, that isn't impressive Fair point. But I think you can imagine how immensely satisfying it was.
mollerz Minja Scouts 860	Posted - 2013.08.11 01:56:00 - [22] - Quote As satisfying as it were, it's not a good situation to formulate an OP opinion of knives. The more I hear about your process for coming to that conclusion the more distressing it gets I don't go bragging I stole candy from a baby... Also, I think you will find us to be a lot harder to kill.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1332	Posted - 2013.08.11 14:55:00 - [23] - Quote My "Process" was one of simple numbers. They were formidable enough before CCP decided to double their damage out of nowhere. The damage listed in the show info screen used to be their actual damage, now it's four times that on a charged attack where both swipes hit.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3535	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:43:00 - [24] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :) I have yet to run into you. Come on man. You and me. Man to Man. 1v1. CCP, hurry up with the gladiator mode already.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1335	Posted - 2013.08.11 20:37:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Nova Knife wrote: Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :) I have yet to run into you. Come on man. You and me. Man to Man. 1v1. CCP, hurry up with the gladiator mode already. What!? I'm hurt. We've run into each other, and then squaded up for some awesome shenanigans afterwards! We've only run into each other once, and you handily beat me. I am still waiting for the day the matchmaking stuff puts us on opposite teams so we can have a rematch and I can reclaim my title :)
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 280	Posted - 2013.08.11 20:39:00 - [26] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nova Knife wrote: Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :) I have yet to run into you. Come on man. You and me. Man to Man. 1v1. CCP, hurry up with the gladiator mode already. What!? I'm hurt. We've run into each other, and then squaded up for some awesome shenanigans afterwards! We've only run into each other once, and you handily beat me. I am still waiting for the day the matchmaking stuff puts us on opposite teams so we can have a rematch and I can reclaim my title :) I would assume for how the gladiator mode would be used the forumer`s would rename it to Mortal Combat514
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 279	Posted - 2013.08.11 21:48:00 - [27] - Quote The day Nova Knives are nerfed is the day I throw in the towel and quit this game. There isn't much keeping me here as it is. Scouts are absurdly broken, in a bad way, and CPM is requesting a nerf to one of the only weapons we got? GTFO of here! The weapon is highly situational for most people as it is. You have to be skilled to even use the thing. This CPM member is not representing the community as he should be and should have his title stripped IMO.
Kinky Burrito A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 192	Posted - 2013.08.11 21:54:00 - [28] - Quote I have never, ever, ever felt like knives needed a nerf. I am honestly dumbfounded as to why anyone would think they are overpowered.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 258	Posted - 2013.08.11 22:17:00 - [29] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I've spoken my piece on the matter. I liked to think I properly displayed how broken they were at Fanfest when I was given the chance to 1v1 a couple CCP dudes in a closed room, and not only annihilated them, but the innocent spectators (who were using guns, and included the rest of the CPM) as well which later tried to join in to assist the CCP guys. However, they left the knives with their doubled power anyways, and as hilarious as they are right now... I do think they're too strong, but not by a lot. All that's left to say is : Come get some! Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :) They are fine.
mollerz Minja Scouts 874	Posted - 2013.08.11 23:13:00 - [30] - Quote BARDAS wrote: The day Nova Knives are nerfed is the day I throw in the towel and quit this game. There isn't much keeping me here as it is. Scouts are absurdly broken, in a bad way, and CPM is requesting a nerf to one of the only weapons we got? GTFO of here! The weapon is highly situational for most people as it is. You have to be skilled to even use the thing. This CPM member is not representing the community as he should be and should have his title stripped IMO. I honestly think that there is no way Nova Knife is a good knifer. I would love to see him against Mr Musturd. Nova Knife would definitely be crying for a knife nerf after that asswhoopin. I agree. now weapon switching is broken, or i end up with my AR and knives out at the same time an dI have to switch back and forth to fix it. I can't say whether those bugs or the team chat tab not populating bug is the most annoying BFotM. I am having a hard time sprinting sometimes as well. like button presses plain don't register.

mollerz Minja Scouts 874	Posted - 2013.08.11 23:14:00 - [31] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: All that's left to say is : Come get some! Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :) Where can I go to take your scalp? time/place? tick tock
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 551	Posted - 2013.08.12 12:43:00 - [32] - Quote BARDAS wrote: This CPM member is not representing the community as he should be and should have his title stripped IMO. I disagree, Bardas. Our Minja brothers have taken issue with Nova's stance on Knifing, but this disconnect is far from a vote of No Confidence. Nova is ranked among our strongest advocates. He's been in touch with the state of Scouts and the Scout Community since Uprising. Nova has offered substantially more insight and feedback with regard to our cause than any other CPM. - Shotty GoBang
mollerz Minja Scouts 881	Posted - 2013.08.12 15:37:00 - [33] - Quote yea. I second shotty. just trying to make this game funner
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 282	Posted - 2013.08.12 15:52:00 - [34] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: BARDAS wrote: This CPM member is not representing the community as he should be and should have his title stripped IMO. I disagree, Bardas. Our Minja brothers have taken issue with Nova's stance on Knifing, but this disconnect is far from a vote of No Confidence. Nova's been in frequent contact with the Scout Community since Uprising. We may not agree with his every opinion, but disagreement is not grounds for stripping of title (IMHO). - Shotty GoBang Yeah I guess you have a point. Saw red when I saw my beloved Nova Knives being eyed by a nerf bat. He did make a different post that wasn't too bad the other day either to CCP. Link below. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101452&find=unread I withdraw my complaint against him personally, but my statement towards Knives stands.
Lightning Bolt2 DUST University Ivy League 100	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:13:00 - [35] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Nova Knife wrote: Don't stress too much about 'proof'. I'll gladly give kudos and public props to anyone that manages to knife me :) I have yet to run into you. Come on man. You and me. Man to Man. 1v1. CCP, hurry up with the gladiator mode already. What!? I'm hurt. We've run into each other, and then squaded up for some awesome shenanigans afterwards! We've only run into each other once, and you handily beat me. I am still waiting for the day the matchmaking stuff puts us on opposite teams so we can have a rematch and I can reclaim my title :) can't wait till were against Nova Knife... so I cn kill u with my knives, drive a SLAV over you, and then drop an orbital on you and youre team. yes, I hate any1 who wants knives nerfed... oh wait its you're intentions just sabotaging CCP by nerfing already weak/hard to use weapons, all hail AR 514.
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 112	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:20:00 - [36] - Quote I fight for all sidearms, because during closed beta the scrambler pistol was my go-to weapon. I'll grab a knife today. Here this all ye nova ninjas, this nova pirate has joined your fight! With pistol and knife, I will cut through the enemies of sidearm combat effectiveness.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 361	Posted - 2013.08.15 19:50:00 - [37] - Quote Lillica Deathdealer wrote: I fight for all sidearms, because during closed beta the scrambler pistol was my go-to weapon. I'll grab a knife today. Here this all ye nova ninjas, this nova pirate has joined your fight! With pistol and knife, I will cut through the enemies of sidearm combat effectiveness. Sidearms rock. I have an alt that is a sidearm specialist. It's amazing how many fits I have with just slightly different variants of pistols, SMG's, etc.... there is so much variety out there!
Viktor Zokas 187. 222	Posted - 2013.08.15 20:45:00 - [38] - Quote Yes, a weapon that you have to get close up and personal to use is op. Never mind the fact that getting to your target in a battle is a whole another difficulty in on itself. That's why you see everyone using nova knives in PC all the time. Right? Pretty op weapon there.


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