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Cenex Langly
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:05:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Thumb Green wrote:First Prophet wrote:Make all SP passive SP.
No more AFKing. No more grinding for cap. No more boosting for more SP.
Less people playing, sure. But everyone would be less bitter and burnt out. And the active player base would the ones who enjoy the game and have fun. Get rid of the active boosters and refund the aurum of anyone who still has one. Or replace them all with passive boosters or some other new kind of booster.
Probably won't be done because of the money being made from active boosters, they've been top sellers since forever, but this is probably how it should be. Yeah remove active sp completely, wonderful idea; except that it would completely screw new over anyone that didn't start in open beta. This isn't EVE were there are built in safe areas for newer players and until (if ever) there are, active sp must remain. That way even when they get demolished they still gain a little extra that helps them progress to being on equal grounds with the vets. A better solution to AFK'ing is to remove the passive 5 sp a second and isk gain you get in battles, while you are behind the red line. Exactly. In fact, there needs to be the RED line, which is the same for both teams, and then a "YELLOW ZONE" that represents the current areas that are Red Zone for one team, but not the other. Enemy YELLOW ZONE would appear as normal RED ZONE for the opposing team, just like it does now. Being in the Red Zone would do what it does now with the 20 second timer (15 sec?). Being in the YELLOW ZONE would have no timer, but you would not be able to earn ANY WP while inhabiting the area. No more Red Line Snipers, no more AFKers. Two birds, one stone.
Problem Solved. Everyone who spawns in must move out of the start zone asap or they get disconnected. Then when in the neutral zone they can be killed by anyone so by all means, if you want to AFK you are still able to be killed. I like this idea. Fixes AFK problems and redline problems. |
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:38:00 -
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in the short run yes this is true, alot of AFKers will leave. The up shot of this is you have a far more active community, fewer match completely one sided due to lack of teammates*, and you are more likely to keep new players because of this. I would much rather lose players and have less people that would abuse the system in a way that hurts the community for their own selfish reasons, then have a large player base that all play like 12yo brats who think they are owed something by the world.
If the community is good it will grow, if the community is **** it will stagnate.
*while there maybe "ethical AFKers" out there that bless us by withholding or applying their skill to balance matches, they are by far the minority of AFKers and this is a bullshit justification anyways. |
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:38:00 -
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Agree killing afkers will kill the dust population. It would be funny to see the numbers drop if they kill off afk. (1389 peak lol)
I will laugh and troll for months, wait I already doo. Hahahahah. |
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:48:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:AFKers are as much whats wrong with this game as anything on CCP's end.
Or do you think that being stomped because a bunch of selfish people leave your team short handed while they hide in the MCC somehow makes the game more appealing to those who actually try to play it?
AFKers aren't helping the game, they're just making it less enjoyable for everyone else.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that but frankly yes the community has done almost as much or more to harm this game then CCP.
I am not defending CCP, those days are over, dust branch of CCP has dug themselves a giant hole on their own, but the community has made the whole process a nightmare, and potentially delayed a decent discussion on if and how CCP is broken and can be fixed.
Instead we got whining, fanbois, conspiracy theorist, haters, self serving assholes who would rather see the game scraped then to have it play any way but how they wanted it........ the list goes on. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:02:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Agree.
Make the game fun so the AFK'ers won't feel the need to AFK, waiting for the good stuff.
while I'm sure there are a lot of people using this justification, its complete bull ****! Justify it how you want, AFKing is nothing but selfish. Frankly this could be the best game in the god damn world, there could be a god damn waiting list to get in and there would still be AFKers out there. As long as there is active SP and it takes little effort to AFK people will do it in numbers high enough to be match breaking. While AFKers can not be stopped in their entirety some effort must be made to make their numbers insignificant enough to not be noticeable in the average play session*. and correctable enough by the players that if there is an issue they can feel like they can do something about it.
the player base of this game is not going to grow beyond a small group of faithful and random people cycling thru as long as AFKers are not dealt with, so worrying that fixing a problem with the game will hurt our PCU is bullshit, we either take the hit now or when the game is less capable of handling it, but if its not done this game never have a serious player base.
*if you think that AFKers are not so bad any more thats probably because many of them are in the asia servers where AFKing is so bad the game is barely playable. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:03:00 -
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We need to weed out the weak anyways I'm not talking about the crap players who try then learn i'm talking about MCC campers, LAV noobs, and red line snipers >;( jk bout the redline snipers but MCC snipers need to get gone!! |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:07:00 -
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Blake Kingston wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Agree.
Make the game fun so the AFK'ers won't feel the need to AFK, waiting for the good stuff. Ya I think thats the bottom line. Even if they leave and uninstall the game, the character remains and they keep earning Passive SP on it. But then they aren't blocking an active player from joining a match. The irony is that AFK'ers, by making their side lose due to less manpower, tempt others to the AFK dark side as well. Turn on FF for anyone who's been on the MCC for more than a minute - that'll make the FF advocates happy as well.
you sir are a gem I like it, I dont care if you afk in the hills but you should not have a guarantied(mostly) safe place to AFK.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:10:00 -
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Eris Ernaga wrote:We need to weed out the weak anyways I'm not talking about the crap players who try then learn i'm talking about MCC campers, LAV noobs, and red line snipers >;( jk bout the redline snipers but MCC snipers need to get gone!!
dont joke about the red line sir that **** needs to go away red line matches are bull ****, and no quality sniper redline snipes because its the best way to lose a match and end up with every one red lined(their may be one map that is an exception). |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:19:00 -
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It's pretty much true. I'd say from looking at the forums that just about every vet that is still playing AFKs on a regular basis, myself included, and although I personally wouldn't quit if AFKing was solved, many people would, which would be bad business for CCP.
The best solution for AFKing is better content and core mechanics, not FF or match-kicking. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:49:00 -
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Stile451 wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Wrong.
AFKers ARE hurting the game, therefore they ARE part of the problem.
They are a hinderance to their teammates who are trying to actually play, and will ultimately discourage them from playing altogether, driving them away.
Stop being part of the problem. 1. I don't AFK(although I may start shortly due to endless grinding). If I did it would be on Oceania Domination. 2. What is your suggestion to fix the underlying reason behind AFKing without screwing over newbies? A lot of people want to stop AFKing(you most vehemently) but very few have offered up suggestions so that someone would not want to AFK(other than ways to screw over the newbies for SP). 3. Send the mails. Send them every time you see an AFKer. They aren't doing it to annoy you, they are doing it to remain competitive. Ask nicely and many will comply.
No Passive SP/isk in the red line if you are in the red line you are not doing your job, ask any good sniper and he will say the same, so why should you get payed.
frankly that suggestion is kind I would say no sp/isk at all in the red line, that said if you want to be all bleeding heart about it, no SP/ISK in or on the MCC, all other AFKers can be easily killed by teamates and enemies.
oh also FF in the MM after a minute |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:07:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Stile451 wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Wrong.
AFKers ARE hurting the game, therefore they ARE part of the problem.
They are a hinderance to their teammates who are trying to actually play, and will ultimately discourage them from playing altogether, driving them away.
Stop being part of the problem. 1. I don't AFK(although I may start shortly due to endless grinding). If I did it would be on Oceania Domination. 2. What is your suggestion to fix the underlying reason behind AFKing without screwing over newbies? A lot of people want to stop AFKing(you most vehemently) but very few have offered up suggestions so that someone would not want to AFK(other than ways to screw over the newbies for SP). 3. Send the mails. Send them every time you see an AFKer. They aren't doing it to annoy you, they are doing it to remain competitive. Ask nicely and many will comply. Ya now I think I'll try that, l'll start mailing afk'ers from now on, though I'll waste half my time doing it because I am using the Oceania server, which brings me to another point of contention that everyone is overlooking, because of where I live the Oceania server is the one that I get top service on, if all afk'ers keep going there you are ****ing me over directly. This does not inspire friendly feelings sir.
sir I am offended by what you are saying, you are saying that AFKers don't have rights like the rest of us??? why should you get preferential treatment because of where you live I mean your and insignificant player base unlike AFKers their important because if some one stops them I will have to start actually playing, you sir are a bigot this is a legitimate means of play you are not special you must tolerate the AFK players because with out them you wouldn't have enough people for a match and therefor you should be grateful for AFKers because they are keeping your servers full............
just ******* ban me for trolling, I dont care anymore, this is the ******* selfish bullshit mind set that is so ******* prevalent in society at large. Its ******* caustic, nothing more then people justifying what they know is a behavior that hurts every one but grants them short term benefits they can't see past their own sense of self importance..... F_U_C_K YOU ALL!
You know what CCP don't fix it let this ******* game and its community collapse under its own narcissism. Yes narcissism can inform and drive gameplay BUT ONLY IF THERE IS ACTUAL GAMEPLAY INVOLVED IN THAT ACT!!
oh right but i forgot all that player interaction involved in AFKing.
seriously all of you can get ****** by Cthulhu him self. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:12:00 -
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Rupture Reaperson wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Second, some people might come back if they knew afking had been dealt with.
Hahahahahahaha, of course, cause AFK its what makes people dump the game 
It is for a number of players. AFKing contributes to the issues that are primarily generated by a poor matchmaker.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:13:00 -
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Planetside2PS4F2P wrote:OP is right because ccp allows afk, it is considered a valid tactic.
Agree
CCP has commented on multiple occasions that they are looking for a fix for AFK. They have explicitly stated that it is a problem.
They do not consider it a valid tactic.
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bumm baliste
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:20:00 -
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Rupture Reaperson wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Second, some people might come back if they knew afking had been dealt with.
Hahahahahahaha, of course, cause AFK its what makes people dump the game
big reason I haven't picked up this game in months....... and when you play on oceanic servers(which I don't) and you can't get one good game yea that will be the reason people quit. Next thing you know Oceanic servers shut down from lack of interest and their problem become our problem.
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bumm baliste
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:25:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Planetside2PS4F2P wrote:OP is right because ccp allows afk, it is considered a valid tactic.
Agree CCP has commented on multiple occasions that they are looking for a fix for AFK. They have explicitly stated that it is a problem. They do not consider it a valid tactic.
then announce that they will be monitoring for it and banning accounts for it. This garbage that DCCP is pulling where they say oh this is cheating don't do it untill we fix this, and do nothing about has to stop. If this was ECCP you abused an exploit and didn't immediately report it or used it after reporting it you would get banned straight up so sorry no refund just good bye.
CCP if there is something you should not be done you need to start sending out warnings and temporary bans leading up to permanent ones
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