I, for one, do not believe the forge guns are the next FOTM. It takes a LOT of sp to get anywhere with them, and it does take accuracy in order to hit anything properly. I'll leave in the splash damage it has, because you know what, I'd expect a giant ball of electricity to mess up a big group of people close together. The problem, I find, is with the range.

Being hit from building tops makes it near impossible to escape, and damn impossible to counter, save having a sniper finding a good angle. Now if an enemy sniper gets on a roof and starts popping people, I'm okay with this. He has to have skill to aim, there are ways to hide from him, and more to the point, he can't wreck everything he looks at, just infantry.

Forge guns need to have their range toned down. I personally wouldn't touch the damage. Frankly, a standard forge gun doing more damage than a standard compressed rail turret is insane, but I'm willing to compromise with forge gunners on a few points. But being able to hit anything from across the map?

And before someone starts going on about how the sight makes it hard to aim, two things. For one, apparently it isn't that bad, because enough forge gunners are spending the match on rooftops sniping infantry with it. Two, considering how the sight is, doesn't that mean it was intended to be a short range weapon? Like on the order of 150m max? Plus I have physics on my side, Electricity cannot remain in a ball for that long anyway, it would dissipate insanely fast.

But I know how much the nerf-bat sucks to hit your favorite toy. I have an alt that ran cal logi (used it for actual logi, not wtfpwnmobile) I can understand investing sp in something only to have it gimped. So I'm willing to concede that 150m max range would be a slap in the face for forge gunners. So here's what I propose.

1. Keep the damage as is. Again, I think it's retardedly high, but compromise is give and take.

2. Keep the splash damage and radius. Hell, give one of them a slight buff (not both) for all I care, I would expect a projectile of that size to cause some damage wherever it lands.

3. Reduce range to 250m. This forces forge gunners to engage vehicles where we can fight back, or at the very least escape your fire.

Yeah, you will lose out on some kills. But your mission is not to destroy vehicles, but to deny the enemy vehicle assets (although destruction of enemy vehicles is a perfectly valid way to do this.) Your mission is to deny tanks the ability to engage your fellow blueberries, whether that's by blowing them to hell, or forcing them to retreat. Either way, your job has been done; the enemy can no longer rely on that tank as an asset. This range nerf will force you to be in the battle proper to accomplish your mission. Everyone bar snipers has to brave the enemy fire in order to get their kills, you should be no different. The reason snipers deserve a pass at this is a. their weapons can only hurt infantry, not both as yours do. b. they don't have the protections of a heavy suit (regardless of the fact that heavies are gimped by speed, that doesn't matter if your sitting still sniping) and c. they also have the mission of relaying enemy positions to friendlies, something you can't do as forge gunners because you have no zoom.

Plus, even if you can't hit everything from the rooftops like you are now, there is still no vehicle that can enage you where you cannot. Sure, a redline tank can outrange you, but you have the opportunity to close the distance and still hit him. As it stands, The only two counters to forge guns on rooves (roofs? Can't remember which is grammatically accurate.) are snipers, which you can siply move back a little to avoid, and dropships, which you can swat down without breaking a sweat. This should not be the case. Get down in the dirt with the rest of us.

TL;DR Forge guns keep the massive damage, take a splash radius damage buff or radius buff for all I care (not both, I care a little :P) and reduce the range to stop rooftop forge gunning

Rail guns are supposed to have massive range. This isn't a ball of electricity - It's a physical slug.

Besides, you didn't establish WHY this is problem, instead of just being something that you don't like.

Rail guns are supposed to deal massive amounts of damage per shot at the cost of ROF at high ranges. The FG is supposed to be a heavy sniper platform.

It's not an anti vehicle. The weapon description says it's a anti matter weapon meaning its for anything from infantry to installations and vehicle's.

I, for one, do not believe the forge guns are the next FOTM. It takes a LOT of sp to get anywhere with them, and it does take accuracy in order to hit anything properly. I'll leave in the splash damage it has, because you know what, I'd expect a giant ball of electricity to mess up a big group of people close together. The problem, I find, is with the range.

Being hit from building tops makes it near impossible to escape, and damn impossible to counter, save having a sniper finding a good angle. Now if an enemy sniper gets on a roof and starts popping people, I'm okay with this. He has to have skill to aim, there are ways to hide from him, and more to the point, he can't wreck everything he looks at, just infantry.

Forge guns need to have their range toned down. I personally wouldn't touch the damage. Frankly, a standard forge gun doing more damage than a standard compressed rail turret is insane, but I'm willing to compromise with forge gunners on a few points. But being able to hit anything from across the map?

And before someone starts going on about how the sight makes it hard to aim, two things. For one, apparently it isn't that bad, because enough forge gunners are spending the match on rooftops sniping infantry with it. Two, considering how the sight is, doesn't that mean it was intended to be a short range weapon? Like on the order of 150m max? Plus I have physics on my side, Electricity cannot remain in a ball for that long anyway, it would dissipate insanely fast.

But I know how much the nerf-bat sucks to hit your favorite toy. I have an alt that ran cal logi (used it for actual logi, not wtfpwnmobile) I can understand investing sp in something only to have it gimped. So I'm willing to concede that 150m max range would be a slap in the face for forge gunners. So here's what I propose.

1. Keep the damage as is. Again, I think it's retardedly high, but compromise is give and take.

2. Keep the splash damage and radius. Hell, give one of them a slight buff (not both) for all I care, I would expect a projectile of that size to cause some damage wherever it lands.

3. Reduce range to 250m. This forces forge gunners to engage vehicles where we can fight back, or at the very least escape your fire.

Yeah, you will lose out on some kills. But your mission is not to destroy vehicles, but to deny the enemy vehicle assets (although destruction of enemy vehicles is a perfectly valid way to do this.) Your mission is to deny tanks the ability to engage your fellow blueberries, whether that's by blowing them to hell, or forcing them to retreat. Either way, your job has been done; the enemy can no longer rely on that tank as an asset. This range nerf will force you to be in the battle proper to accomplish your mission. Everyone bar snipers has to brave the enemy fire in order to get their kills, you should be no different. The reason snipers deserve a pass at this is a. their weapons can only hurt infantry, not both as yours do. b. they don't have the protections of a heavy suit (regardless of the fact that heavies are gimped by speed, that doesn't matter if your sitting still sniping) and c. they also have the mission of relaying enemy positions to friendlies, something you can't do as forge gunners because you have no zoom.

Plus, even if you can't hit everything from the rooftops like you are now, there is still no vehicle that can enage you where you cannot. Sure, a redline tank can outrange you, but you have the opportunity to close the distance and still hit him. As it stands, The only two counters to forge guns on rooves (roofs? Can't remember which is grammatically accurate.) are snipers, which you can siply move back a little to avoid, and dropships, which you can swat down without breaking a sweat. This should not be the case. Get down in the dirt with the rest of us.

TL;DR Forge guns keep the massive damage, take a splash radius damage buff or radius buff for all I care (not both, I care a little :P) and reduce the range to stop rooftop forge gunning

U can't hit anything from across the map so ur argument is unvalid

I regularly get forge-sniped at ranges of 130m+, especially this one guy from nyain san.

I regularly get forge-sniped at ranges of 130m+, especially this one guy from nyain san.

Rail guns are supposed to have massive range. This isn't a ball of electricity - It's a physical slug.

Besides, you didn't establish WHY this is problem, instead of just being something that you don't like.

Rail guns are supposed to deal massive amounts of damage per shot at the cost of ROF at high ranges. The FG is supposed to be a heavy sniper platform.

....the forge gun utilises a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds....

...Yeah, you will lose out on some kills. But your mission is not to destroy vehicles, but to deny the enemy vehicle assets (although destruction of enemy vehicles is a perfectly valid way to do this.) Your mission is to deny tanks the ability to engage your fellow blueberries, whether that's by blowing them to hell, or forcing them to retreat.

all that needs to be down is to have some stair cases or ladders added to those rooftop that derpships can only reach...


that way any1 with ars can crawl up those ladders and take out eh forgesniper and stuff....

its becoming a pain in the ass to lose an objective just because the enemy team put an uplink on the building right above u..

Evidently we need a lesson in warfare.

Everything in warfare is about mission accomplishment. Looking at skirmish, that mission is to capture and hold objectives. The AR gunner is the main effort to accomplish this. He captures the objective, and repels the enemy assault. Everyone else is to make his job easier to do. Vehicles provide infantry suppression, AV denies enemy vehicles the chance to kill him, etc. But the goal of every weapon outside of the AR is to support the assault done by the assault rifle (clever how they named it that way, isn't it?)

Forge guns are to make sure that enemy tanks are unable to attack friendlies as they assault the objective. It doesn't matter if the tank lives or dies. As long as it is unable to shoot at your team.

Now, for gameplay purposes, the forge gun should be balanced so that you can't get to an area where no one can stop you, and you can fire with impunity. Thus, my suggestions.

Try being less of a **** next time.

I say reduce the damage at ranges greater then 200 meters.

Yea leave forge guns as they are. I too expect to be swatted like a fly when that beast of a weapon hits me. Just please CCP give me access, even a treacherous staircase or something. An objective front we can establish and push!

I, for one, do not believe the forge guns are the next FOTM. It takes a LOT of sp to get anywhere with them, and it does take accuracy in order to hit anything properly. I'll leave in the splash damage it has, because you know what, I'd expect a giant ball of electricity to mess up a big group of people close together. The problem, I find, is with the range.

Being hit from building tops makes it near impossible to escape, and damn impossible to counter, save having a sniper finding a good angle. Now if an enemy sniper gets on a roof and starts popping people, I'm okay with this. He has to have skill to aim, there are ways to hide from him, and more to the point, he can't wreck everything he looks at, just infantry.

Forge guns need to have their range toned down. I personally wouldn't touch the damage. Frankly, a standard forge gun doing more damage than a standard compressed rail turret is insane, but I'm willing to compromise with forge gunners on a few points. But being able to hit anything from across the map?

And before someone starts going on about how the sight makes it hard to aim, two things. For one, apparently it isn't that bad, because enough forge gunners are spending the match on rooftops sniping infantry with it. Two, considering how the sight is, doesn't that mean it was intended to be a short range weapon? Like on the order of 150m max? Plus I have physics on my side, Electricity cannot remain in a ball for that long anyway, it would dissipate insanely fast.

But I know how much the nerf-bat sucks to hit your favorite toy. I have an alt that ran cal logi (used it for actual logi, not wtfpwnmobile) I can understand investing sp in something only to have it gimped. So I'm willing to concede that 150m max range would be a slap in the face for forge gunners. So here's what I propose.

1. Keep the damage as is. Again, I think it's retardedly high, but compromise is give and take.

2. Keep the splash damage and radius. Hell, give one of them a slight buff (not both) for all I care, I would expect a projectile of that size to cause some damage wherever it lands.

3. Reduce range to 250m. This forces forge gunners to engage vehicles where we can fight back, or at the very least escape your fire.

Yeah, you will lose out on some kills. But your mission is not to destroy vehicles, but to deny the enemy vehicle assets (although destruction of enemy vehicles is a perfectly valid way to do this.) Your mission is to deny tanks the ability to engage your fellow blueberries, whether that's by blowing them to hell, or forcing them to retreat. Either way, your job has been done; the enemy can no longer rely on that tank as an asset. This range nerf will force you to be in the battle proper to accomplish your mission. Everyone bar snipers has to brave the enemy fire in order to get their kills, you should be no different. The reason snipers deserve a pass at this is a. their weapons can only hurt infantry, not both as yours do. b. they don't have the protections of a heavy suit (regardless of the fact that heavies are gimped by speed, that doesn't matter if your sitting still sniping) and c. they also have the mission of relaying enemy positions to friendlies, something you can't do as forge gunners because you have no zoom.

Plus, even if you can't hit everything from the rooftops like you are now, there is still no vehicle that can enage you where you cannot. Sure, a redline tank can outrange you, but you have the opportunity to close the distance and still hit him. As it stands, The only two counters to forge guns on rooves (roofs? Can't remember which is grammatically accurate.) are snipers, which you can siply move back a little to avoid, and dropships, which you can swat down without breaking a sweat. This should not be the case. Get down in the dirt with the rest of us.

TL;DR Forge guns keep the massive damage, take a splash radius damage buff or radius buff for all I care (not both, I care a little :P) and reduce the range to stop rooftop forge gunning

2.caused by motion. source

a slug made by motion or air if you would have it.
these weapons actually have very short ranges but are powerful at those short ranges. its not meant to be the "heavy sniper platform" is meant to be the heavy anti-vehicle platform so there should be damage drop(start) at around ~100m-150m

Evidently we need a lesson in warfare.

Everything in warfare is about mission accomplishment. Looking at skirmish, that mission is to capture and hold objectives. The AR gunner is the main effort to accomplish this. He captures the objective, and repels the enemy assault. Everyone else is to make his job easier to do. Vehicles provide infantry suppression, AV denies enemy vehicles the chance to kill him, etc. But the goal of every weapon outside of the AR is to support the assault done by the assault rifle (clever how they named it that way, isn't it?)

Forge guns are to make sure that enemy tanks are unable to attack friendlies as they assault the objective. It doesn't matter if the tank lives or dies. As long as it is unable to shoot at your team.

Now, for gameplay purposes, the forge gun should be balanced so that you can't get to an area where no one can stop you, and you can fire with impunity. Thus, my suggestions.

Try being less of a **** next time.

of or relating to the motion of material bodies and the forces and energy associated therewith

Caldari hybrid tech is based around railguns shooting material bodies.

The effect you are referring to is Gallente blaster tech, and if you look athe the weapon profiles you'll see that that the FG is indeed a railgun that shoots slugs. The FG is basically just a giant sniper rifle.

Although I could support a lowering of splash damage, or radius, the rest of your ideas are without merit.

First, any place that a FG can shoot at a tank from, the tank, if equipped with either a rail or stabilized blaster can shoot right back at them. With a rail gun, a tank has DOUBLE the range of a Forge Gun. That of course discounts the obvious issues the game engine is having with rendering, but to say that nothing can hit the forge gunner is a complete falsehood.

Next, if your team is so foolhardy as to allow a FG to get up top with a logi for ammo and reps, and an uplink in the event he gets popped, then it is partly your own fault. Bases have those railguns for a reason, use them. Also, if eager beaver infantry were not so focused on getting their murder taxis spawned in, maybe the tankers on your team could get their railguns in play soon enough to prevent the enemy from getting up high. Not to mention that getting a properly skilled sniper in a position to keep a heavy away from a ledge is quite simple. The statement that no one can stop a FG up high is baseless provided you are willing to actually think about the problem, instead of just wanting it changed to better suit your playstyle.

All of the preceding ignores the fact that there are in fact many ways to attack a heavy up high, not the least of which is to get their first an prevent them from getting a foothold.

the way it fires is the same as rails would fire. just because it fit under that group does not make it that, nice try on word play but you are wrong, btw air is a material body. why the clip even looks like a large battery.

Powered by a Gemini microcapacitor, the Forge Gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s, enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems. During the pre-fire charge, the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic field and helping to shield the user from backscatter and the excessive heat produced. Power generation remains the single largest drawback of the current design, the onboard capacitor requiring a significant amount of time to reach full power after each discharge.
Specifications

Race: Caldari
Designation: DCMA S-1
Variant: Standard
Length: 135cm
Weight (loaded): 58.4kg
Weight (unloaded): 55.1kg
Max. effective range: 1,200m
Ammunition: Solid-state

lol it still doesn't proof your right. ice is the solid state of water, plasma is the solid state of air..... plus that site is the most incomplete junk i have ever seen. 6 weapons and 4 vehicles. no mass drivers, no scambler rifles, no armor tanks no MLT tanks, no enforcers, no snipers rifles. its so incomplete that is best to call it out dated and completely incorrect in everything is actually has on it and can not be used as source. it doesn't even have turrets, any of them! effective range 1200m *looks at actual range* um yea no.....

I say reduce the damage at ranges greater then 200 meters.

It's damage profile is .9 to shields and 1.1 to armor. That means it fires the same sort of projectile as the other rail guns. If it fired solid-state air (plasma) it would be 1.1 to shields and .9 t armor. And this is taken from the 1.2 devbog, so it's as current as you can get. If it fired chunks of plasma, I think it'd be in the description as that is an awesome sci-fi weapon. they wouldn't leave people to assume it fires boring slugs. Which it totally does.

i accept your surrender forum warrior.

Although I could support a lowering of splash damage, or radius, the rest of your ideas are without merit.

First, any place that a FG can shoot at a tank from, the tank, if equipped with either a rail or stabilized blaster can shoot right back at them. With a rail gun, a tank has DOUBLE the range of a Forge Gun. That of course discounts the obvious issues the game engine is having with rendering, but to say that nothing can hit the forge gunner is a complete falsehood.

Next, if your team is so foolhardy as to allow a FG to get up top with a logi for ammo and reps, and an uplink in the event he gets popped, then it is partly your own fault. Bases have those railguns for a reason, use them. Also, if eager beaver infantry were not so focused on getting their murder taxis spawned in, maybe the tankers on your team could get their railguns in play soon enough to prevent the enemy from getting up high. Not to mention that getting a properly skilled sniper in a position to keep a heavy away from a ledge is quite simple. The statement that no one can stop a FG up high is baseless provided you are willing to actually think about the problem, instead of just wanting it changed to better suit your playstyle.

All of the preceding ignores the fact that there are in fact many ways to attack a heavy up high, not the least of which is to get their first an prevent them from getting a foothold.

Forges don't need an adjustment, honestly.
Bad players get messed up by GOOD Forge Gunners, yes it's a ***** when a Forge Gun is on a roof, TAKE YOUR SNIPER RIFLE/FORGE GUN and fire back.

Seriously, I'm one of the guys that should be crying as a vehicle specialist, but I'm not, people need to stop asking for any type of nerf to this weapon.

The railguns and stabilized blasters have the range to hit roof forgers, but the problem is one of tracking; they can't aim that high unless they're in the redline.

And its simply a race to get the forge gunner up there.

I've had forge guns on rooftops on my team and the enemy's, and almost every time (A few times two snipers hit the forge from different vantage points, killing him) he was up there the entire match.

I'd say leave it alone if there was a way up there that wasn't a dropship. At least then he either risks being flanked or has to have someone cover him. But as it is, there's nothing but hoping you get lucky enough to get to him.

Since it is a railgun, not a ball of electricity as I thought previously, I will retract my range nerf. In its place, increase the charge time significantly. Lore-wise, accelerating a projectile to those speeds on a handheld platform would take a real long time, say, 7-9 seconds. Vehicle railguns should remain the same, because they are using the power generated by the vehicle itself in order to accelerate the projectile.

Another idea, reduce splash radius down at longer ranges. Also reducing damage instead of it just disappearing would be nice at longer ranges too. The splash radius will lower much faster than the damage though.

Reducing damage before the slug dissipates makes sense.

Reducing splash radius at longer ranges due to the energy around the slug dissipating also makes sense.

This would make them able to combat infantry at long ranges, but would need considerably more accuracy and would also take more than one shot to wipe out a guy before he gets a chance to look for cover.

This would also allow Forge Gunners to still threaten vehicles as they could still deal some damage at a range, although not quite as much. The damage reduction would have to be very gradual to ensure long range AV is possible(rail tank snipers =P)

Something needs to be done about rooftop forges. The only way to effectively remove them is with an orbital. These are the other possible methods, but not as effective.

• Snipers are good and all, but in order for a sniper to take out a rooftop forge, the sniper needs to be at an equal or higher elevation than the forge gunner. This is to prevent the forge gunner from stepping away from the edge and out of sight. But the problem is that forge gunners occupy the tallest buildings. All other buildings of equal or taller height are accessible by dropship only, but a skilled forge gunner cane take out a dropship before it places a sniper on top of a building.


• Railgun HAVs. Typically on the ground, and limited view of a forge gunner. The forge gunner can step back from the edge and is out of sight. A skilled forge gunner uses the assault forge gun and moves around randomly as he shoots. It takes a highly skilled and lucky railgun shot to get a direct hit on such a target while the forge gunner is shooting lethal projectiles back at the HAV. There's no way to get splash damage because the rooftop is at a higher elevation. But even if the lucky shot is placed, chances are that there is an uplink and the forge gunner will simply spawn there again.


• Dropship boarding party. The method is simple. You take a cheap dropship, gather some people in it and fly to the building where the forge gunner has set up camp, where everyone will then drop and ambush the forge gunner. The problem is that a skilled forge gunner will blow up the dropship before it reaches the destination. I do this all the time with my railgun HAV: I prevent dropships from reaching rooftops, except for any that don't render for me. This is for my own concern because I don't want a rooftop forge gunner shooting at me.

Now why are orbitals the most effective? They will destroy everything on that rooftop, such as uplinks, nanohives, and your friend the forge gunner. Every other method only takes care of the forge gunner while the uplink stays intact for the forge gunner to respawn back up there.

This statement right here show's how much of an idiot you are. It's so full of full ****** that I literally can not even begin telling you how stupid it is. It's that stupid.

Please uninstall DUST.

jeez nobody is even scared of dropships, cuz their to easy to kill, so why you want to destroy them sooo bad.

if you nerf the charge time on the forge gun i think it would be fair to give it a damage buff. other wise the tank will laugh at you while it drives a way or for s**ts and giggles runs you over while you are waiting for your next shot to charge. in other words there should be an appropriate compensation for a longer charge time as seen in the breach varient

I think the range makes sense for the weapon.

First and foremost, it's a railgun.
It's also meant for AV, which you need range for.
Finally, heavies are very slow, so they need long range weapons to make up for it.