DUST Search - What people think if ccp added

Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:

broonfondle majikthies wrote:

Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:

Security Dispersion:
In high security space, killing a civilian nets you -50 wp and a security status loss.
Once your security status is below -0.5 (after killing lots of civies) you are no longer immune to friendly fire in high-sec pub matches. Once your security falls below -0.8 you may no longer participate in high-security Pub matches until your standing improves (via PVE).

But, penalties are no fun, so positives are a better route imo:
The a portion of the isk pay-out is determined by the number of surviving civilians at the end of the match for both teams (as typically the attacking corporation wanted the facility and its staff).
But, there could be modes where the attackers want to eliminate all the civilians, each civilian giving bonus pay-out at the end of the match.
Perhaps there is a mode where the defenders are eliminating the civilians, but the attackers are trying to save them, netting differing payouts for both teams.

No gaming company will support the gunning down of innocent civilians in their creations

GTA, Saints Row, God Of War, Civilization, Age of Empires, many RTS-s. More.

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Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 88	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:04:00 - [1] - Quote moral decisions in battles,i mean players would occasionaly do toughf choices.For example you see enemy heavy machine gunner just going to position to attack your corp/team mates,and you are position to eliminate heavy but there are civilians running front of line of fire and there is no time to move better position.So would you shoot hmg and same time killing civilians or saving civilians by moving better position but losing time to save your mates.So what people think if ccp added moral decisions?
Ploo-Koon Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 147	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:05:00 - [2] - Quote There would be A LOT of dead civilians.
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 59	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:06:00 - [3] - Quote First, always protect your corp bros. second, cool idea.
Foley Jones Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 152	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:06:00 - [4] - Quote Ploo-Koon wrote: There would be A LOT of dead civilians. and A LOT of hatemail :D
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 88	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:05:00 - [5] - Quote Its great idea,and would bring little reality in this game
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1675	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:09:00 - [6] - Quote Like anyone would pick the "good" moral choice
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 90	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:10:00 - [7] - Quote It would simply go as with capsuleers why should an immortal care for the mortals...what happens in space would continue on the ground dead civilians everywhere. But I would like to see choices in FW matter right now FW battles are just normal skirmishes where I have to wait longer ...
BrownEye1129 SVER True Blood 28	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:26:00 - [8] - Quote Wtf are the civilians doing in the middle of a battlefield? Picking daisies? What online competitiive FPS would do something like that? Seriously though waste of time in PVP, maybe in the PVE element it might work.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7084	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:29:00 - [9] - Quote Go play Eve if you want to be a mass murderer. Ships are crewed up to 10k per battleship and they're not pod pilots either. So near full compliment of folks. Also... you're probably made from dozens of different dead people already. Biomass begets biomass, people recycling is quite common in New Eden.
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 130	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:31:00 - [10] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Wtf are the civilians doing in the middle of a battlefield? Picking daisies? What online competitiive FPS would do something like that? Seriously though waste of time in PVP, maybe in the PVE element it might work. SOCOM did

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 924	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:41:00 - [11] - Quote I've been thinking too that there should be civilians that are busy evacuating. Each murder would be -100 WP and an ISK fine. At the beginning of the match you'd hear sirens and see people leaving but soon after the field would be clear. Not all facilities would be surprised though.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 632	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:45:00 - [12] - Quote This idea made me giggle . Tgis would be a cool idea in faction warfair and would be cool to read about 100s of civilian deaths at the hands of immortal mercs when defending or attacking factionally controlld districts.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1090	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:48:00 - [13] - Quote Ploo-Koon wrote: There would be A LOT of dead civilians. i think people would stop killing reds and go only for civilians..
Cody Allentek Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:50:00 - [14] - Quote WE ARE IMMORTAL MERCENARIES, CIVILIAN CASUALTIES ARE NOT OUR CONCERN
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 633	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:52:00 - [15] - Quote ladwar wrote: Ploo-Koon wrote: There would be A LOT of dead civilians. i think people would stop killing reds and go only for civilians.. Heheheh I would .hell id soot my own bluberrys if I could
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1090	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:53:00 - [16] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: ladwar wrote: Ploo-Koon wrote: There would be A LOT of dead civilians. i think people would stop killing reds and go only for civilians.. Heheheh I would .hell id shot my own bluberrys if I could totally.. some need to get shot.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 135	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:53:00 - [17] - Quote Slightly unusable as in the weapon development vids they say that the weapons we use are so powerful and unshielded that anyone anywhere near them when they are fired will be set alight if not protected by a dropsuit
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 98	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:54:00 - [18] - Quote I can see people saving the civilians but then they (civilians) would be gunned down by someone else just for the kicks and the savior would most likely die with them. As for penalizing player from shooting the civilians, I would gladly use them as a meatshields, as would pretty much everyone else :D Moral decisions and EVE universe don't mix all that well.
Leovarian L Lavitz Better Academy. 486	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:56:00 - [19] - Quote Security Dispersion: In high security space, killing a civilian nets you -50 wp and a security status loss. Once your security status is below -0.5 (after killing lots of civies) you are no longer immune to friendly fire in high-sec pub matches. Once your security falls below -0.8 you may no longer participate in high-security Pub matches until your standing improves (via PVE). But, penalties are no fun, so positives are a better route imo: The a portion of the isk pay-out is determined by the number of surviving civilians at the end of the match for both teams (as typically the attacking corporation wanted the facility and its staff). But, there could be modes where the attackers want to eliminate all the civilians, each civilian giving bonus pay-out at the end of the match. Perhaps there is a mode where the defenders are eliminating the civilians, but the attackers are trying to save them, netting differing payouts for both teams.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 135	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:58:00 - [20] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Security Dispersion: In high security space, killing a civilian nets you -50 wp and a security status loss. Once your security status is below -0.5 (after killing lots of civies) you are no longer immune to friendly fire in high-sec pub matches. Once your security falls below -0.8 you may no longer participate in high-security Pub matches until your standing improves (via PVE). But, penalties are no fun, so positives are a better route imo: The a portion of the isk pay-out is determined by the number of surviving civilians at the end of the match for both teams (as typically the attacking corporation wanted the facility and its staff). But, there could be modes where the attackers want to eliminate all the civilians, each civilian giving bonus pay-out at the end of the match. Perhaps there is a mode where the defenders are eliminating the civilians, but the attackers are trying to save them, netting differing payouts for both teams. No gaming company will support the gunning down of innocent civilians in their creations

pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 634	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:58:00 - [21] - Quote ladwar wrote: pegasis prime wrote: ladwar wrote: Ploo-Koon wrote: There would be A LOT of dead civilians. i think people would stop killing reds and go only for civilians.. Heheheh I would .hell id shot my own bluberrys if I could totally.. some need to get shot. Especially those little f@#kers that get in my tank and sellotape the fire button down before aiming at the mcc all game. Hell iv lost more tanks driving into the redline than av lol . Pop on nitro just befor you drive in and well theyll think twice before jumping in my tank to spam again . Although I had a game with a really persistant blue and I killd him 4 times in this manner. Lol the hate mail hahahahaha
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 89	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:00:00 - [22] - Quote Ok what if you make decision to shoot hmg and kill civilians doing so,but after many years there will be rise of military/politician/terrorist leader,who start massive killings and destruction upprising against your faction/corporation/race.And this person is eventuality responsible 10 000 or 100 000 people getting killed and town`s and cities getting erased from maps.And only reason this is happening is this person did see you shooting hes/hers parents in this incident.I think things like this should be added to this game when pve comes.But maybe i am hoping too much and im sure ccp dont add things like this to dust.But i think also that little things like this would bring role-playing elements in this game and there would be strategy aspect also,people would have really consider their actions.
Leovarian L Lavitz Better Academy. 487	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:03:00 - [23] - Quote broonfondle majikthies wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Security Dispersion: In high security space, killing a civilian nets you -50 wp and a security status loss. Once your security status is below -0.5 (after killing lots of civies) you are no longer immune to friendly fire in high-sec pub matches. Once your security falls below -0.8 you may no longer participate in high-security Pub matches until your standing improves (via PVE). But, penalties are no fun, so positives are a better route imo: The a portion of the isk pay-out is determined by the number of surviving civilians at the end of the match for both teams (as typically the attacking corporation wanted the facility and its staff). But, there could be modes where the attackers want to eliminate all the civilians, each civilian giving bonus pay-out at the end of the match. Perhaps there is a mode where the defenders are eliminating the civilians, but the attackers are trying to save them, netting differing payouts for both teams. No gaming company will support the gunning down of innocent civilians in their creations GTA, Saints Row, God Of War, Civilization, Age of Empires, many RTS-s. More.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 274	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:03:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Go play Eve if you want to be a mass murderer. Ships are crewed up to 10k per battleship and they're not pod pilots either. So near full compliment of folks. Also... you're probably made from dozens of different dead people already. Biomass begets biomass, people recycling is quite common in New Eden. you remind me of an old movie where humanity has a population control that leads to food shortages and the Gov discovers a near unlimited amount of edible food at the bottom of the ocean, up until the people realize the food is chopped up criminals and "necessary losses"..... oh and the Matrix
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 130	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:06:00 - [25] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: broonfondle majikthies wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Security Dispersion: In high security space, killing a civilian nets you -50 wp and a security status loss. Once your security status is below -0.5 (after killing lots of civies) you are no longer immune to friendly fire in high-sec pub matches. Once your security falls below -0.8 you may no longer participate in high-security Pub matches until your standing improves (via PVE). But, penalties are no fun, so positives are a better route imo: The a portion of the isk pay-out is determined by the number of surviving civilians at the end of the match for both teams (as typically the attacking corporation wanted the facility and its staff). But, there could be modes where the attackers want to eliminate all the civilians, each civilian giving bonus pay-out at the end of the match. Perhaps there is a mode where the defenders are eliminating the civilians, but the attackers are trying to save them, netting differing payouts for both teams. No gaming company will support the gunning down of innocent civilians in their creations GTA, Saints Row, God Of War, Civilization, Age of Empires, many RTS-s. More. You forgot Cod....russian airport mmmmmmmmmm
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 135	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:06:00 - [26] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: broonfondle majikthies wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Security Dispersion: In high security space, killing a civilian nets you -50 wp and a security status loss. Once your security status is below -0.5 (after killing lots of civies) you are no longer immune to friendly fire in high-sec pub matches. Once your security falls below -0.8 you may no longer participate in high-security Pub matches until your standing improves (via PVE). But, penalties are no fun, so positives are a better route imo: The a portion of the isk pay-out is determined by the number of surviving civilians at the end of the match for both teams (as typically the attacking corporation wanted the facility and its staff). But, there could be modes where the attackers want to eliminate all the civilians, each civilian giving bonus pay-out at the end of the match. Perhaps there is a mode where the defenders are eliminating the civilians, but the attackers are trying to save them, netting differing payouts for both teams. No gaming company will support the gunning down of innocent civilians in their creations GTA, Saints Row, God Of War, Civilization, Age of Empires, many RTS-s. More. I haven't played most of them but the ones I have are all 3rd person. There is a distinction between what 'you' do and what the 'character your watching' has done
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 634	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:13:00 - [27] - Quote broonfondle majikthies wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Security Dispersion: In high security space, killing a civilian nets you -50 wp and a security status loss. Once your security status is below -0.5 (after killing lots of civies) you are no longer immune to friendly fire in high-sec pub matches. Once your security falls below -0.8 you may no longer participate in high-security Pub matches until your standing improves (via PVE). But, penalties are no fun, so positives are a better route imo: The a portion of the isk pay-out is determined by the number of surviving civilians at the end of the match for both teams (as typically the attacking corporation wanted the facility and its staff). But, there could be modes where the attackers want to eliminate all the civilians, each civilian giving bonus pay-out at the end of the match. Perhaps there is a mode where the defenders are eliminating the civilians, but the attackers are trying to save them, netting differing payouts for both teams. No gaming company will support the gunning down of innocent civilians in their creations Lol I bet youd be the first carebear to use yourself as ameat shield protecting the civies. Lol
Aran Abbas Goonfeet Top Men. 224	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:21:00 - [28] - Quote I could see this maybe working if the civilians were base personnel, scientists, workers etc. One team gets a bonus for the alive ones and the other for the dead ones.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7086	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:23:00 - [29] - Quote There is also the slight problem of the game getting banned in countries if this is done, and I for one don't want to see two instances of Dust 514 to be honest.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 153	Posted - 2013.08.09 12:27:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There is also the slight problem of the game getting banned in countries if this is done, and I for one don't want to see two instances of Dust 514 to be honest. You are right ofcourse, however it is amusing. So murder is ok sometimes but not others? Its ok to maim and kill one 'type' of human but not another. Have to laugh at ridiculous laws and ideas.



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