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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
88
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:16:00 -
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Another faction,is it bcause your coverment say "you are caldari,you have to fight against gallente" or you have to bcause you feel its your holy mission to do so.So what is your reason to fight another faction? And another question do you ever fight to help another faction, i mean gallente helping minmatar or ammarian helping caldari faction? And last question do you ever fight against your own faction or against your alliance faction? |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
321
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:51:00 -
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Changing your views hmm? That's a good thing from your original fanaticism at least.
And to answer your question, we are mercenaries, the very definition means that we fight for our personal interests and gain. But me? I fight the person who stand in the way of my obkectives, simple as that |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
311
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Posted - 2013.08.08 22:20:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Another faction,is it bcause your coverment say "you are caldari,you have to fight against gallente" or you have to bcause you feel its your holy mission to do so.So what is your reason to fight another faction? And another question do you ever fight to help another faction, i mean gallente helping minmatar or ammarian helping caldari faction? And last question do you ever fight against your own faction or against your alliance faction? I fight for Freedom. The Gallente is the embodiment of the Freedom, for they are the last Democracy in New Eden.
I do help the Minmatar against the Amarr. It is not right that they are enslaved.
Do I fight against my Faction? No. I would never turn against my Homeland, unless they lost all meaning, all purpose. If they abandoned the concept of Freedom, then I would leave. Leave for the dark corners of space, for the last remaining bits of sanity have been cornered there. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1672
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Posted - 2013.08.08 22:38:00 -
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I fight the Gallente because their hypocrisy and sanctimonious attitudes bother me too no end and that is not even mentioning their history of unwarranted aggression against the Caldari in the name of "freedom". As for the Amarr and Minmatar I have no strong feelings towards them either way but still respect them, though I would warn the Minmatar to stay wary in their dealings with the Gallente since as soon as they decide they don't like what you are doing they will attack you in the name of liberating your people. After all the Caldari and Gallente were allies until they decided they did not like our culture. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1073
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:36:00 -
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To unify Man in the name of God, and to ensure His word is spread to the furthest stars.... is what I might say....
The Matar are a chosen people, as dictated by God and the Empire, to fulfil the Empires Immortal destiny and also the destiny of the Matar. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1073
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:37:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Another faction,is it bcause your coverment say "you are caldari,you have to fight against gallente" or you have to bcause you feel its your holy mission to do so.So what is your reason to fight another faction? And another question do you ever fight to help another faction, i mean gallente helping minmatar or ammarian helping caldari faction? And last question do you ever fight against your own faction or against your alliance faction? I do help the Minmatar against the Amarr. It is not right that they are enslaved.
Yet another ignorant Gallentean that does not understand what we do for the Matar. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1416
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:47:00 -
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I'm a gallente who fights for the amarr because I like scrambler pistols. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1076
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:58:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I'm a gallente who fights for the amarr because I like scrambler pistols. I like you |
Jedah McClintock
McClintock's Mercs
40
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Posted - 2013.08.09 00:34:00 -
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I'll never be a wanted man in my home world for sticking it to the Amarr, so naturally I will aid Minmatar when they have their skirmishes. In the abstract, I'm inclined to help the Gallente in feud with the Caldari, but the Caldari have very sweet dropships so I do business with them as I train to pilot one of those bad boys.
As for individual corporations, it's too much work for me to track which are incorporated where. Not too entirely sure if those climbers running them are particularly concerned about the interests of their own people, so I have no particular loyalty to any of them. Bouncing from one corporate interest to another with each battle doesn't bother me much. |
Arc-08
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.08.09 02:35:00 -
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the only reason i fight you treacherous Caldari, is because of the multitude, and magnitude of your terrorist attacks agaisnt the Gallente. I'm inspired by Orto Garushi (leader of ishukone corporation) because he wanted to end the war, but you evil Caldari killed him because he wasn't part of the dictatorship. I have always helped the Minmatar, and to prove my willingness to help them, i have skilled into their assault suits just so they know, i have their backs. And i will continue to fight the Amar for the fact that slavery is wrong, Amar if you would just give up slavery, and your constant obsession over relegion, i believe we could become great allies (possibly). |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1084
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Posted - 2013.08.09 02:52:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:the only reason i fight you treacherous Caldari, is because of the multitude, and magnitude of your terrorist attacks agaisnt the Gallente. I'm inspired by Orto Garushi (leader of ishukone corporation) because he wanted to end the war, but you evil Caldari killed him because he wasn't part of the dictatorship. I have always helped the Minmatar, and to prove my willingness to help them, i have skilled into their assault suits just so they know, i have their backs. And i will continue to fight the Amar for the fact that slavery is wrong, Amar if you would just give up slavery, and your constant obsession over relegion, i believe we could become great allies (possibly). That would destroy our very way of life. We are God's chosen people, and his divine mandate to us was to bring his word to the furthest stars or New Eden.
And the Lord spoke, and said, Lo, my people, Witness, for I have made the worlds of Heaven; And these worlds I give to you, My Chosen, So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.
None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim, Who serve Me as others shall serve you, For all things under Me serve one higher; So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.
As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea; As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf; Yet all under Heaven serve Me; So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens. - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21
Slavery is a test. It tests the character of a people to see if they are worthy of becoming the chosen as well.
"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5 |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
89
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:31:00 -
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Ok i have couple of questions,who rule all the land,and do us "heathens"has same god as you ammarians have,you say you are chosen people and you have devine right to rule and educate us lesser beings,so how long ammarians have tried this and how come they have not succeeded in this,is ammarian people`s faith and belive so weak that your maker don`t want rule the new eden.Why your maker diden`t help you against jove,is jove god stronger than yours? |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
321
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:36:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:the only reason i fight you treacherous Caldari, is because of the multitude, and magnitude of your terrorist attacks agaisnt the Gallente. I'm inspired by Orto Garushi (leader of ishukone corporation) because he wanted to end the war, but you evil Caldari killed him because he wasn't part of the dictatorship. I have always helped the Minmatar, and to prove my willingness to help them, i have skilled into their assault suits just so they know, i have their backs. And i will continue to fight the Amar for the fact that slavery is wrong, Amar if you would just give up slavery, and your constant obsession over relegion, i believe we could become great allies (possibly).
A few posts above:
Delta 749 wrote:I fight the Gallente because their hypocrisy and sanctimonious attitudes bother me too no end and that is not even mentioning their history of unwarranted aggression against the Caldari in the name of "freedom". As for the Amarr and Minmatar I have no strong feelings towards them either way but still respect them, though I would warn the Minmatar to stay wary in their dealings with the Gallente since as soon as they decide they don't like what you are doing they will attack you in the name of liberating your people. After all the Caldari and Gallente were allies until they decided they did not like our culture.
Irony much? |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
89
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:49:00 -
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And adamance one more question if slavery is test to see if the people is chosen,how come you ammarians dont have to be slaves,are ammarians never been slaves if not,should you also put in test of slavery? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1103
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Posted - 2013.08.10 00:18:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:And adamance one more question if slavery is test to see if the people is chosen,how come you ammarians dont have to be slaves,are ammarians never been slaves if not,should you also put in test of slavery?
In our histories the Amarrian people suffered greatly during their time of Athra. As such we passed our divine test of Faith and God proclaimed us his Chosen.
"For forty millennia we struggled in the desert. Time of infinity to grief our misgivings. Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance. One can repent and pray for forgiveness. But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man. The stars above will not weep for us parting. The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance. The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence.v Only in God can we thrive and grow. Only in God." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 4:23
Our time suffering has passed, and we proved our Faith. Now we seek to ensure that the other peoples of New Eden know what it is to toil in God's name.
"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5
This is a truth, and that is why we take slaves. We seek to bring them closer to God so that they too may know of His love for them. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1103
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Posted - 2013.08.10 00:23:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok i have couple of questions,who rule all the land,and do us "heathens"has same god as you ammarians have,you say you are chosen people and you have devine right to rule and educate us lesser beings,so how long ammarians have tried this and how come they have not succeeded in this,is ammarian people`s faith and belive so weak that your maker don`t want rule the new eden.Why your maker diden`t help you against jove,is jove god stronger than yours?
The Jove to my knowledge do not have a unified Faith. So little is known about them that we can only speculate on what their culture may have been like.
The Amarrians have warred and sought to teach the unenlightened the ways for God for many millienia, our Faith has brought us this far, it is not weak, it is not lacking. It is cemented in the knowledge that we have an immortal destiny to achieve. It is the peoples of Athra who will Reclaim the star and unite humanity.
As to why our God has not aided us... all I can say is that it is not his way to do such things. We Amarr are his divine instruments in this universe, we Templars are his Avenging Angels, our citizens His flock, our ships his divine will. However as you say we have not yet achieved the destiny he set before us. You must remember that flesh is fallible, but Faith is not. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1150
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Posted - 2013.08.10 01:31:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:And adamance one more question if slavery is test to see if the people is chosen,how come you ammarians dont have to be slaves,are ammarians never been slaves if not,should you also put in test of slavery? In our histories the Amarrian people suffered greatly during their time of Athra. As such we passed our divine test of Faith and God proclaimed us his Chosen. "For forty millennia we struggled in the desert. Time of infinity to grief our misgivings. Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance. One can repent and pray for forgiveness. But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man. The stars above will not weep for us parting. The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance. The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence.v Only in God can we thrive and grow. Only in God." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 4:23 Our time suffering has passed, and we proved our Faith. Now we seek to ensure that the other peoples of New Eden know what it is to toil in God's name. "Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5 This is a truth, and that is why we take slaves. We seek to bring them closer to God so that they too may know of His love for them. A little more detailed, several thousand years ago the first Amarrians were exiled from the continent of Assimia on Athra, now known as Amarr Prime. They were sent to a harsh island where they suffered many hardships and labors. And from the Udorians and Khanid of Athra to the races of distant stars such as the Ni-Kunni, all Amarrian bloodlines can be traced back to slavery. I wouldn't exactly call our practice hypocritical. Difficult to explain? Yes, but at least we don't have problems of prejudice in our society. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions
38
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Posted - 2013.08.10 01:52:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:A little more detailed, several thousand years ago the first Amarrians were exiled from the continent of Assimia on Athra, now known as Amarr Prime. They were sent to a harsh island where they suffered many hardships and labors. And from the Udorians and Khanid of Athra to the races of distant stars such as the Ni-Kunni, all Amarrian bloodlines can be traced back to slavery. I wouldn't exactly call our practice hypocritical. Difficult to explain? Yes, but at least we don't have problems of prejudice in our society. Correction, all but True Amarr. If you are say that there is no prejudice among the Amarr then you are dead in my eyes, for all you would be to me is a blind puppet for a race that has swindled its way into power by feeding off humanities hopes of faith. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1108
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Posted - 2013.08.10 04:28:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:A little more detailed, several thousand years ago the first Amarrians were exiled from the continent of Assimia on Athra, now known as Amarr Prime. They were sent to a harsh island where they suffered many hardships and labors. And from the Udorians and Khanid of Athra to the races of distant stars such as the Ni-Kunni, all Amarrian bloodlines can be traced back to slavery. I wouldn't exactly call our practice hypocritical. Difficult to explain? Yes, but at least we don't have problems of prejudice in our society. Correction, all but True Amarr. If you are say that there is no prejudice among the Amarr then you are dead in my eyes, for all you would be to me is a blind puppet for a race that has swindled its way into power by feeding off humanities hopes of faith.
Our faith is not some means to control the masses it is our strength of will, and what unifies us as a collective people. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1153
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Posted - 2013.08.10 04:38:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:A little more detailed, several thousand years ago the first Amarrians were exiled from the continent of Assimia on Athra, now known as Amarr Prime. They were sent to a harsh island where they suffered many hardships and labors. And from the Udorians and Khanid of Athra to the races of distant stars such as the Ni-Kunni, all Amarrian bloodlines can be traced back to slavery. I wouldn't exactly call our practice hypocritical. Difficult to explain? Yes, but at least we don't have problems of prejudice in our society. Correction, all but True Amarr. If you are say that there is no prejudice among the Amarr then you are dead in my eyes, for all you would be to me is a blind puppet for a race that has swindled its way into power by feeding off humanities hopes of faith. We Amarrians may look down upon those who do not have faith, but we do not hold prejudice against those within our society for we are all His chosen ones and serve a purpose.
According to the news report linked above, Federation citizens of Minmatar descent are being heavily discriminated. Earlier a Federation citizen of Brutor descent was attacked by fellow citizens and ended up killing them in self defense, yet he was immediately arrested without question and taken to the Black Eagles for interrogation. I could bring up more accounts of such prejudice within their society, but I think you get the idea. |
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
90
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:31:00 -
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Remember you know just that,what they want you to know. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1108
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:38:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Remember you know just that,what they want you to know.
They who? As I said before our Faith is not a tool for control. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
177
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:02:00 -
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I fight against the Gallente because their arrogance and self-righteousness threaten my home, my family, and my beliefs.
There are others (Sansha's Nation is a particular blight), but the Federation is the greater threat at the moment. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1392
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:52:00 -
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Does there really need to be a why? Combat is it's own reason. I'll not indulge myself in petty rationalizations. My cause was selected for me. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
311
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Another faction,is it bcause your coverment say "you are caldari,you have to fight against gallente" or you have to bcause you feel its your holy mission to do so.So what is your reason to fight another faction? And another question do you ever fight to help another faction, i mean gallente helping minmatar or ammarian helping caldari faction? And last question do you ever fight against your own faction or against your alliance faction? I do help the Minmatar against the Amarr. It is not right that they are enslaved. Yet another ignorant Gallentean that does not understand what we do for the Matar. Spare me, Adamance! Do you truly think I do not know of your reasons? Your reasons of righteousness? Ha!
In a nutshell, the Amarr enslave the Minmatar because the suffering they endure allow them to be "closer to God". Part of the "chosen'. This is true, is it not?
True Adamance wrote:Slavery is a test. It tests the character of a people to see if they are worthy of becoming the chosen as well.
You see, I do understand your reasons. But I also disagree. It is simply incomprehensible to enslave someone with the justification of religious belief. It is appalling. Absolutely appalling.
Of course, you will point out how the "Minmatar are being discriminated against" in Gallentean society. This discrimination is inherently wrong, if this in in fact true. These are just reports, not facts.
Of course, they are being investigated as we speak. Whether it be the Free Market at work, such as Private Businesses stating who they want in or out of their restaurants, or in fact Racial Discrimination, we will get to the bottom of this. And if it is racism, I assure you that it will be dealt with swiftly and surely. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1162
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:02:00 -
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Gallente dislike for the Minmatar as people is more than just reports, Xavier. It has been ongoing since the two races met.
Gallente look the other way on freed Minmatar.
Gallente gunman kills 59 Minmatar at cultural festival, including the Ray of Matar.
Gallenteans inflict violence on Minmatar immigrants.
Gallenteans attack Brutor student, in self defense he is arrested and sent to the Black Eagles.
The Gallente may pride themselves as the heroes of freedom and equality, but when it comes to accepting other races into their society their true colors shine. And sure the Federation may release an official statement condemning these actions, but it does change the fact that there is a culture of violence and prejudice seeded within your borders. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1124
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:38:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:True Adamance wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Another faction,is it bcause your coverment say "you are caldari,you have to fight against gallente" or you have to bcause you feel its your holy mission to do so.So what is your reason to fight another faction? And another question do you ever fight to help another faction, i mean gallente helping minmatar or ammarian helping caldari faction? And last question do you ever fight against your own faction or against your alliance faction? I do help the Minmatar against the Amarr. It is not right that they are enslaved. Yet another ignorant Gallentean that does not understand what we do for the Matar. Spare me, Adamance! Do you truly think I do not know of your reasons? Your reasons of righteousness? Ha! In a nutshell, the Amarr enslave the Minmatar because the suffering they endure allow them to be "closer to God". Part of the "chosen'. This is true, is it not? True Adamance wrote:Slavery is a test. It tests the character of a people to see if they are worthy of becoming the chosen as well. You see, I do understand your reasons. But I also disagree. It is simply incomprehensible to enslave someone with the justification of religious belief. It is appalling. Absolutely appalling. Of course, you will point out how the "Minmatar are being discriminated against" in Gallentean society. This discrimination is inherently wrong, if this in in fact true. These are just reports, not facts. Of course, they are being investigated as we speak. Whether it be the Free Market at work, such as Private Businesses stating who they want in or out of their restaurants, or in fact Racial Discrimination, we will get to the bottom of this. And if it is racism, I assure you that it will be dealt with swiftly and surely.
Appalling? To seek unity, understanding, and peace for the children of God?
As for reports... nay sir these Matari refugees in the Federation have long been known to be discriminated against such is the insular nature the enthic Gallentean people have. |
Jedah McClintock
McClintock's Mercs
40
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:45:00 -
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Has the thought ever occurred that perhaps not everyone is meant to be unified? And I don't just mean the apostates. Could you ever consider the possibility that there can be those who are not compatible with unity, to be their own person, and have the right to live?
This is probably the very definition of blasphemy, but it sometimes best to let a thing be what it is. Let an apple be an apple, don't try to turn it into a mango because apples are against your religion. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1124
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:47:00 -
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Jedah McClintock wrote:Has the thought ever occurred that perhaps not everyone is meant to be unified? And I don't just mean the apostates. Could you ever consider the possibility that there can be those who are not compatible with unity, to be their own person, and have the right to live?
This is probably the very definition of blasphemy, but it sometimes best to let a thing be what it is. Let an apple be an apple, don't try to turn it into a mango because apples are against your religion. Those who are not willing to accept God's love, his laws, and the unity He would bring to the universe will be cleansed. This is a truth, there are no exceptions. |
Jedah McClintock
McClintock's Mercs
40
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Jedah McClintock wrote:Has the thought ever occurred that perhaps not everyone is meant to be unified? And I don't just mean the apostates. Could you ever consider the possibility that there can be those who are not compatible with unity, to be their own person, and have the right to live?
This is probably the very definition of blasphemy, but it sometimes best to let a thing be what it is. Let an apple be an apple, don't try to turn it into a mango because apples are against your religion. Those who are not willing to accept God's love, his laws, and the unity He would bring to the universe will be cleansed. This is a truth, there are no exceptions.
What's he waiting for? Bring it. I'm right here. Smite my smug face. |
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