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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1167
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:50:00 -
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Jedah McClintock wrote:Has the thought ever occurred that perhaps not everyone is meant to be unified? And I don't just mean the apostates. Could you ever consider the possibility that there can be those who are not compatible with unity, to be their own person, and have the right to live?
This is probably the very definition of blasphemy, but it sometimes best to let a thing be what it is. Let an apple be an apple, don't try to turn it into a mango because apples are against your religion. A human race not united is one that inflects harm upon itself. After all the recent events between the Gallente and Minmatar I would think you of all people would know this by now. Maybe you can sit idly by as countless innocents suffer reckless pain and violence, but I will not. I stand for something much greater than myself. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1125
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:53:00 -
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Jedah McClintock wrote:True Adamance wrote:Jedah McClintock wrote:Has the thought ever occurred that perhaps not everyone is meant to be unified? And I don't just mean the apostates. Could you ever consider the possibility that there can be those who are not compatible with unity, to be their own person, and have the right to live?
This is probably the very definition of blasphemy, but it sometimes best to let a thing be what it is. Let an apple be an apple, don't try to turn it into a mango because apples are against your religion. Those who are not willing to accept God's love, his laws, and the unity He would bring to the universe will be cleansed. This is a truth, there are no exceptions. What's he waiting for? Bring it. I'm right here. Smite my smug face.
We Amarr are his diving instruments under the heavens. Justice will be done unto you, but not by His divinity, but by His mandate.
"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45 |
Jedah McClintock
McClintock's Mercs
40
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:56:00 -
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This reminds me of the bozos who think that by exhorting what can be done through unity that everyone will instantly sign up under their banner. Though I have to admit the religion angle isn't a bad touch and you got prettier poetry than those losers with ambitions far beyond their ability. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1125
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:57:00 -
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Jedah McClintock wrote:This reminds me of the bozos who think that by exhorting what can be done through unity that everyone will instantly sign up under their banner. Though I have to admit the religion angle isn't a bad touch and you got prettier poetry than those losers with ambitions far beyond their ability. I have to ask from which Matari tribe do you hail? |
Jedah McClintock
McClintock's Mercs
41
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:04:00 -
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Vherokior, but my family was into piracy. I didn't care for that way of life and decided to separate myself from that. Hence changing my name to something you would never associate with a native of Matar. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1125
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:11:00 -
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Jedah McClintock wrote:Vherokior, but my family was into piracy. I didn't care for that way of life and decided to separate myself from that. Hence changing my name to something you would never associate with a native of Matar.
Then I pity your tribe.
However and this will be of more interest to you. We have had recent increases from 17%-19% in the number of Vherikior converts at the three year mark.
God is good and has graced your people with the will power and knowledge to understand the universal truths. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
311
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:29:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Jedah McClintock wrote:Vherokior, but my family was into piracy. I didn't care for that way of life and decided to separate myself from that. Hence changing my name to something you would never associate with a native of Matar. Then I pity your tribe. However and this will be of more interest to you. We have had recent increases from 17%-19% in the number of Vherikior converts at the three year mark. God is good and has graced your people with the will power and knowledge to understand the universal truths. Or perhaps they are so gullible to believe in a God. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1190
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:09:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:True Adamance wrote:Jedah McClintock wrote:Vherokior, but my family was into piracy. I didn't care for that way of life and decided to separate myself from that. Hence changing my name to something you would never associate with a native of Matar. Then I pity your tribe. However and this will be of more interest to you. We have had recent increases from 17%-19% in the number of Vherikior converts at the three year mark. God is good and has graced your people with the will power and knowledge to understand the universal truths. Or perhaps they are so gullible to believe in a God. Or not so self righteous and ignorant as to believe they are the most superior of the known universe.
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Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
311
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:17:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:True Adamance wrote:Jedah McClintock wrote:Vherokior, but my family was into piracy. I didn't care for that way of life and decided to separate myself from that. Hence changing my name to something you would never associate with a native of Matar. Then I pity your tribe. However and this will be of more interest to you. We have had recent increases from 17%-19% in the number of Vherikior converts at the three year mark. God is good and has graced your people with the will power and knowledge to understand the universal truths. Or perhaps they are so gullible to believe in a God. Or not so self righteous and ignorant as to believe they are the most superior of the known universe. I never said that? Putting words into my mouth, are you? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
192
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:45:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Or perhaps they are so gullible to believe in a God. Or not so self righteous and ignorant as to believe they are the most superior of the known universe. I never said that? Putting words into my mouth, are you? Respectfully, even if he is, Mr. Hastings, your remarks did suggest arrogance. My own sect is spiritually skeptical, but even we know better than to claim that those who believe in gods are gullible.
The Templars view their faith uncritically, it is true. Do you wish to question that faith, or are you content to mirror it with the fervor of a devout, unquestioning atheist? |
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
330
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:25:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Or perhaps they are so gullible to believe in a God. Or not so self righteous and ignorant as to believe they are the most superior of the known universe. I never said that? Putting words into my mouth, are you? Respectfully, even if he is, Mr. Hastings, your remarks did suggest arrogance. My own sect is spiritually skeptical, but even we know better than to claim that those who believe in gods are gullible. The Templars view their faith uncritically, it is true. Do you wish to question that faith, or are you content to mirror it with the fervor of a devout, unquestioning atheist? The problem might be that Mr. Xavier here is generalizing all religions into the monotheistic "oppressive" demographic, there are as many ways to believe in divine power as there are people in New Eden. And believe it or not, the Amarr like the way they live because they have been living like that for centuries, as have the Gallente with their freedom ideals. Going around shouting Gallente superiority makes you look rude and ignorant of all other cultures.
And while you may not have directly said that Mr. Xavier, you certainly act and talk like that. Heck, I have my own goals of having an independent Intaki and believe in my own version of Ida, you don't see me blabbering about it to every possible venue. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1449
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:31:00 -
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I don't give two flying ***** about your culture or creed. What it comes down to is supplies.
If a mercenary is an avid fan of the Minmatar Logi and the SMG, despite the fact that they are Caldari, they should fight for the Minmatar so they can suck up and get their favorite gear.
It's as simple as that. We are mercenaries people time to start thinking like one and stop playing politician. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
311
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:45:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Respectfully, even if he is, Mr. Hastings, your remarks did suggest arrogance. My own sect is spiritually skeptical, but even we know better than to claim that those who believe in gods are gullible.
The Templars view their faith uncritically, it is true. Do you wish to question that faith, or are you content to mirror it with the fervor of a devout, unquestioning atheist?
I do question that faith, Ryeon. The statement that "you are gullible if you believe in God" is my opinion, is all. And it may be arrogant, but it is my opinion that sufficient evidence must be presented before adequately believing in something. I apologize if I had offended you, it was not my intention. I was only stating my beliefs.
Denak Kalamari wrote: The problem might be that Mr. Xavier here is generalizing all religions into the monotheistic "oppressive" demographic, there are as many ways to believe in divine power as there are people in New Eden. And believe it or not, the Amarr like the way they live because they have been living like that for centuries, as have the Gallente with their freedom ideals. Going around shouting Gallente superiority makes you look rude and ignorant of all other cultures.
And while you may not have directly said that Mr. Xavier, you certainly act and talk like that. Heck, I have my own goals of having an independent Intaki and believe in my own version of Ida, you don't see me blabbering about it to every possible venue.
What?
What?
Alright, I will break down that statement.
Denak Kalamari wrote: The problem might be that Mr. Xavier here is generalizing all religions into the monotheistic "oppressive" demographic,
No. Never had I said this, never had I even thought about this. How did you even come up with this?
Denak Kalamari wrote:there are as many ways to believe in divine power as there are people in New Eden. And believe it or not, the Amarr like the way they live because they have been living like that for centuries, as have the Gallente with their freedom ideals. I know this? There are many ways to worship different entities.
Denak Kalamari wrote:Going around shouting Gallente superiority makes you look rude and ignorant of all other cultures. I do not understand this at all. Did I ever say The Gallente Federation is superior? No, I have not, but you are welcome to scour through all the words I have spoken to find a instance where I have.
Please do understand that I am not an ambassador of the Federation. Whatever I say is not necessarily an overview of how all Gallenteans think. I from from the Federation, so it would be wise to assume I hold a majority of their beliefs, but again, I am not speaking for the Federation.
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Zealot Devaurous
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 03:19:00 -
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I fight because that is what I have become... a fight to decide a fight for blood...for love... for profit I chose to be merc because I fight for no side just to fight any side. I am a Zealot ... to quelm the inbalance
-- The Last Entry of Zealot Zal Devarous |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
184
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:15:00 -
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I fight the Ammar so that fewer of my fellow Minmatar will have to die in this horrible war. Every Ammarian I kill now is one less who will be there to shoot my brethren. The sooner it is over, the sooner we can become the great civilization we were meant to be.
Truth is I will work for anyone and any side as long as it either hurts the Ammar war effort, I don't consider it immoral, or doesn't help the Ammar directly. I have no qualms with the Ammar people, just the fanatics and slavers who claim they kill and enslave us in the name of a "benevolent" god. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1203
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:36:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:I fight the Ammar so that fewer of my fellow Minmatar will have to die in this horrible war. Every Ammarian I kill now is one less who will be there to shoot my brethren. The sooner it is over, the sooner we can become the great civilization we were meant to be.
Truth is I will work for anyone and any side as long as it either hurts the Ammar war effort, I don't consider it immoral, or doesn't help the Ammar directly. I have no qualms with the Ammar people, just the fanatics and slavers who claim they kill and enslave us in the name of a "benevolent" god. A War you started. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
184
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:53:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: A War you started.
2 things:
1. The original war your government started when you invaded Minmatar space hundreds of years ago.
2. Our current war was started by the Elders a group you spend those hundreds of years trying to make us forget. They had no official support from our government at any time, in fact we did not even know they existed. They were only aided by a miniscule amount of our captains who went rogue and have all long since died in the war or been detained.
I was not aware you were allowed to hold grudges? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
193
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:40:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I don't give two flying ***** about your culture or creed. What it comes down to is supplies.
If a mercenary is an avid fan of the Minmatar Logi and the SMG, despite the fact that they are Caldari, they should fight for the Minmatar so they can suck up and get their favorite gear.
It's as simple as that. We are mercenaries people time to start thinking like one and stop playing politician. Um ... soldier? Respectfully, I favor Caldari nova knives, which work best with Matari scout gear and pair nicely with Matari remote explosives and Caldari AV grenades. Gallentean assault rifles also suit me rather well. At this rate, I should be at war with myself.
Perhaps it would be better to just take advantage of New Eden's open markets and use the liquid assets we earn to acquire such gear as we choose?
Xavier Hastings wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Respectfully, even if he is, Mr. Hastings, your remarks did suggest arrogance. My own sect is spiritually skeptical, but even we know better than to claim that those who believe in gods are gullible.
The Templars view their faith uncritically, it is true. Do you wish to question that faith, or are you content to mirror it with the fervor of a devout, unquestioning atheist?
I do question that faith, Ryeon. The statement that "you are gullible if you believe in God" is my opinion, is all. And it may be arrogant, but it is my opinion that sufficient evidence must be presented before adequately believing in something. I apologize if I had offended you, it was not my intention. I was only stating my beliefs. Respectfully, Mr. Hastings, I was aware that your remarks were a statement of opinion. As long as you were relating your genuine thoughts, it would have been difficult to characterize them otherwise. However, in your manner of stating, you are not so much questioning as mocking.
Or sneering, perhaps.
I do not share the Amarrian faith, but I do recognize that the Amarr have built several thousand years of relatively stable civilization on "gullibility." It's a pretty impressive feat, and if the Gallentean civiliation does not survive to match it, it will likely be because you and those like you were insufficiently persuasive in convincing the Amarr that they've been had, at least to the point where they decide that scrambler rifles are not the right tool for doing their god's work.
Sneering does not tend to persuade people that you are right, only that you are a self-satisfied fool who deserves to suffer. That this last is a common Caldari view of the Gallente in general probably doesn't help, of course. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1207
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Posted - 2013.08.13 21:43:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:True Adamance wrote: A War you started.
2 things: 1. The original war your government started when you invaded Minmatar space hundreds of years ago. 2. Our current war was started by the Elders a group you spend those hundreds of years trying to make us forget. They had no official support from our government at any time, in fact we did not even know they existed. They were only aided by a miniscule amount of our captains who went rogue and have all long since died in the war or been detained. I was not aware you were allowed to hold grudges?
Its not war if we seek it help your people. Its humanitarian effort. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
312
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:48:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:I don't give two flying ***** about your culture or creed. What it comes down to is supplies.
If a mercenary is an avid fan of the Minmatar Logi and the SMG, despite the fact that they are Caldari, they should fight for the Minmatar so they can suck up and get their favorite gear.
It's as simple as that. We are mercenaries people time to start thinking like one and stop playing politician. Um ... soldier? Respectfully, I favor Caldari nova knives, which work best with Matari scout gear and pair nicely with Matari remote explosives and Caldari AV grenades. Gallentean assault rifles also suit me rather well. At this rate, I should be at war with myself. Perhaps it would be better to just take advantage of New Eden's open markets and use the liquid assets we earn to acquire such gear as we choose? Xavier Hastings wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Respectfully, even if he is, Mr. Hastings, your remarks did suggest arrogance. My own sect is spiritually skeptical, but even we know better than to claim that those who believe in gods are gullible.
The Templars view their faith uncritically, it is true. Do you wish to question that faith, or are you content to mirror it with the fervor of a devout, unquestioning atheist?
I do question that faith, Ryeon. The statement that "you are gullible if you believe in God" is my opinion, is all. And it may be arrogant, but it is my opinion that sufficient evidence must be presented before adequately believing in something. I apologize if I had offended you, it was not my intention. I was only stating my beliefs. Respectfully, Mr. Hastings, I was aware that your remarks were a statement of opinion. As long as you were relating your genuine thoughts, it would have been difficult to characterize them otherwise. However, in your manner of stating, you are not so much questioning as mocking. Or sneering, perhaps. I do not share the Amarrian faith, but I do recognize that the Amarr have built several thousand years of relatively stable civilization on "gullibility." It's a pretty impressive feat, and if the Gallentean civiliation does not survive to match it, it will likely be because you and those like you were insufficiently persuasive in convincing the Amarr that they've been had, at least to the point where they decide that scrambler rifles are not the right tool for doing their god's work. Sneering does not tend to persuade people that you are right, only that you are a self-satisfied fool who deserves to suffer. That this last is a common Caldari view of the Gallente in general probably doesn't help, of course. I do apologize if I had been rude. It did seem I was taking a stab at everyone who believe in a deity, and again, I apologize. Of course, being an Atheist does not mean I am arrogant or hostile to people with faith. I should have presented it better. |
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