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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
956
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:51:00 -
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I had recently joined a skirmish match in the Oceania server, the match was almost over but I figured I would spawn in anyway for a few points. Well our MCC was jam packed full of AFKers, and when the match ended this was the result:
http://i.imgur.com/k5EtfAh.jpg
In total there was 22 players who all had 0/0 and 0 WP, 9 on their team and 13 on mine.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
462
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:00:00 -
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after all...untill the sense of the game is "grinding" and it's not funny to play at a certain point, there will always be situations like this. I do hated afkers, just because they/we ruin the game to others....but... "Don't hate the player hate the game" |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1062
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:01:00 -
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But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:03:00 -
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Let's count the number of forum users on there, shall we? |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:03:00 -
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Was this just one game or many?\
The matchmaking system is still rather broken and it's going to be thrown out soon, then replaced.
It's not unusual to be tossed into games that only have 1-2 players in it until the last few moments when everyone else just gets tossed in.
I've even been in a match where I was the only one for the entire game... was great actually. surprisingly peaceful and I got to look at the scenery. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
462
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. i do afk. that's why I'm not better than anyone else. I'm just stating the truth. Much time ago (closed beta) i suggested a 1 WP = 5 SP system hard capped. That's it. If you do well in battle, that's great you just gained 6k SP. If you afk you gain 0 SP. Tah dah! Problem solved! |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
227
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. He may have spawned too late or the packed MCC could have prevented him from reaching the exit ramp.
Personally when visiting Oceana I spawn on the ground. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:06:00 -
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Wow lots of forum warriors in there :P
-XOXO |
CAELAN Andoril
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:07:00 -
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Y'know, I was initially against AFK, like a couple of days ago, but I've changed my mind. So long as it's kept on the relatively empty Oceania server, it's fine. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
458
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:08:00 -
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Atleast they mostly went to one server I feel bad for whoever actually plays on that seerver though |
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
462
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:08:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. i do afk. that's why I'm not better than anyone else. I'm just stating the truth. Much time ago (closed beta) i suggested a 1 WP = 5 SP system hard capped. That's it. If you do well in battle, that's great you just gained 6k SP. If you afk you gain 0 SP. Tah dah! Problem solved! i just quote myself because everyone is still ignoring this^ |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1537
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:08:00 -
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hey at least we're all afking on oceania and keeping out of the american servers. |
castba
Penguin's March
58
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:10:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Was this just one game or many?\
The matchmaking system is still rather broken and it's going to be thrown out soon, then replaced.
It's not unusual to be tossed into games that only have 1-2 players in it until the last few moments when everyone else just gets tossed in.
I've even been in a match where I was the only one for the entire game... was great actually. surprisingly peaceful and I got to look at the scenery. err, no. AFKing is rife on the Oceania server, which would be why so many Aussies and Kiwis play on Europe and US servers. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1062
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:13:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. i do afk. that's why I'm not better than anyone else. I'm just stating the truth. Much time ago (closed beta) i suggested a 1 WP = 5 SP system hard capped. That's it. If you do well in battle, that's great you just gained 6k SP. If you afk you gain 0 SP. Tah dah! Problem solved! i just quote myself because everyone is still ignoring this^ Yeah but Leukoplast shouldn't be complaining/ comment on this if he is one of those people who do afk.
Sure he's all MLG and l33tzor and **** but that still a pretty weak show to me. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
957
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them.
I never said in the OP that I was against it, nor do I deny doing it. Heck, I'm AFKing right now in the Oceania server.
It still feels dirty, I'll admit, but this game is too much of a damn grind. I AFK on my main, then I actually go play the game on my alt, because I am honestly tired of using the AR and calogi suit. AFKing gives me a chance to keep up in points with my main, while I go test out new weapons and suits on my alt. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
957
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:18:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Was this just one game or many?\
The matchmaking system is still rather broken and it's going to be thrown out soon, then replaced.
It's not unusual to be tossed into games that only have 1-2 players in it until the last few moments when everyone else just gets tossed in.
I've even been in a match where I was the only one for the entire game... was great actually. surprisingly peaceful and I got to look at the scenery.
I was sort of thinking that's maybe what happened, but when I spawned in there was at least 8 or 9 in the MCC just standing there. Also 7 of the players on the other team were active (although low amount of kills since there was nobody to kill).
Plus after doing several more matches AFK, I am seeing the same players. So was definitely a big group of AFkers that happened to be placed in the same match. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
464
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. i do afk. that's why I'm not better than anyone else. I'm just stating the truth. Much time ago (closed beta) i suggested a 1 WP = 5 SP system hard capped. That's it. If you do well in battle, that's great you just gained 6k SP. If you afk you gain 0 SP. Tah dah! Problem solved! i just quote myself because everyone is still ignoring this^ Yeah but Leukoplast shouldn't be complaining/ comment on this if he is one of those people who do afk. Sure he's all MLG and l33tzor and **** but that still a pretty weak show to me. Maybe he's just like me/us. Let me explain: you do a great game. You do own with your 200k proto but someone on a lag, a forge gun, a group of 20 players kills you. You go 50-1. That's a great score isn't it. But when you do you gain an average of 250k isk. Your profit is "just" 50k isk and something like 1500 sp more than usual. Now on the same match you afk. You don't die. You don't kill. But you still gain and profit more or less 150k isk. moreover you gain SP. Now, tell me, what will you do, if you like the game, you know it has potential, but it's still a bit broken? |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
883
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:21:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:hey at least we're all afking on oceania and keeping out of the american servers.
I afk in America servers. Not our fault we don't wanna play with teddy bears wielding I WIN buttons. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
494
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:24:00 -
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LOL! Calvin B, explain yourself immediately!! |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
464
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:29:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:LOL! Calvin B, explain yourself immediately!! I just laughed really loud and it's 6 in the morning here :/ |
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
230
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:32:00 -
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castba wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Was this just one game or many?\
The matchmaking system is still rather broken and it's going to be thrown out soon, then replaced.
It's not unusual to be tossed into games that only have 1-2 players in it until the last few moments when everyone else just gets tossed in.
I've even been in a match where I was the only one for the entire game... was great actually. surprisingly peaceful and I got to look at the scenery. err, no. AFKing is rife on the Oceania server, which would be why so many Aussies and Kiwis play on Europe and US servers. I tried a Domination over there today. The entire team rosters didn't fill until the end.
I was only running on the American server because in the past soon as the game started glitching a quick check of the player roster and it was packed with foreign corp names. Not sure what CCP has been up to but Oceania ran very smoothly. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
402
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:33:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Adamance wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. i do afk. that's why I'm not better than anyone else. I'm just stating the truth. Much time ago (closed beta) i suggested a 1 WP = 5 SP system hard capped. That's it. If you do well in battle, that's great you just gained 6k SP. If you afk you gain 0 SP. Tah dah! Problem solved! i just quote myself because everyone is still ignoring this^ Yeah but Leukoplast shouldn't be complaining/ comment on this if he is one of those people who do afk. Sure he's all MLG and l33tzor and **** but that still a pretty weak show to me. Maybe he's just like me/us. Let me explain: you do a great game. You do own with your 200k proto but someone on a lag, a forge gun, a group of 20 players kills you. You go 50-1. That's a great score isn't it. But when you do you gain an average of 250k isk. Your profit is "just" 50k isk and something like 1500 sp more than usual. Now on the same match you afk. You don't die. You don't kill. But you still gain and profit more or less 150k isk. moreover you gain SP. Now, tell me, what will you do, if you like the game, you know it has potential, but it's still a bit broken? I would play it?
I can't understand why you guys are afk'ing, surely it's a huge pain to have to keep finding a battle every fifteen minutes? |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
464
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:36:00 -
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err....double post |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:38:00 -
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I guess that's what happens when you bring out an "event" that greatly encourages grinding.
Perhaps CCP should have had an event that actually encouraged actively playing. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
464
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:38:00 -
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RINON114 wrote: I would play it?
I can't understand why you guys are afk'ing, surely it's a huge pain to have to keep finding a battle every fifteen minutes?
Don't get me wrong, i do play and enjoy the game when playing with my corpmates. But when I work on my mac i just afk. It's just so convenient. If you ask me, yes, i do feel dirty sometimes, but as I already stated, don't hate the player hate the game.
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castba
Penguin's March
59
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:54:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:don't hate the player hate the game. So because it is possible to do, all players should be absolved of their decision to abuse game mechanics? What a bullshit thought process. CCP didn't make people AFK. People made their own decision to do so. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1793
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:07:00 -
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A big part of this is their misunderstanding of the appeal/reward of AFK.
They changed the way the award in this event works to benefit more active play..... but they did it sort of half-assed. Half an ass is useful to no one.
Normal SP gain is 5sp per sec for doing nothing and 1sp per WP. They doubled the latter value. The problem is WP to SP should probably already garner larger rewards.
In my experience: 1 Skirmish AFK: 4k SP, 1 Skirmish Actually playing: 5.5k SP (about 800 SP in that particularly match). So, even with a 2x bonus, AFK is still hugely rewarding. Playing gave you more SP per match before this, and that's still the case. However, AFK is still very efficient. If you can get 1500+ WP a match, hey... that's great SP gain, but as anyone that looks at scoreboard can tell you - that's a fraction of the average players. AFK still makes great efficiency sense for most players.
You can eat, cook, play Shadowrun/Civilization/EVE/Dragon's Dogma/Animal Crossing, watch TV, read a book, do work you get paid for, or whatever... all while collecting SP at a rate that is more or less on par with people that actually play.
If you're burned out on the game, the same old modes, waiting for new content, waiting for fixes, but aren't ready to give up on the game... hey, AFK provides you with a way to keep while doing other things.
So, yeah.. a 2x modifier on the conversion rate of WP to SP doesn't come close to addressing the issue. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1539
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:07:00 -
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castba wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:don't hate the player hate the game. So because it is possible to do, all players should be absolved of their decision to abuse game mechanics? What a bullshit thought process. CCP didn't make people AFK. People made their own decision to do so.
No but CCP made it where the rewards for playing are almost exactly the same as the rewards for not playing.
I have a big presentation next but i want proto rep tools.. hm.. Oh wait I can do both at the same time! |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
466
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:35:00 -
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castba wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:don't hate the player hate the game. So because it is possible to do, all players should be absolved of their decision to abuse game mechanics? What a bullshit thought process. CCP didn't make people AFK. People made their own decision to do so. Abuse? It's a game mechanic that allows you gain sp and isk even if you're doing nothing, maybe because ccp wanted to reward ppl unable to be useful for their squad, who knows. ccp is well aware of the problem since closed beta. They changed SP systems many times, but still afk is "permitted" somehow. But, please, understand that I myself posted a solution, even in closed beta i posted that same solution that would solve afking. Still nobody gives a damn. Either players and ccp. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1078
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:38:00 -
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wow... i love how the event to lessen AFK causes mass AFKing. |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1539
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:45:00 -
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ladwar wrote:wow... i love how the event to lessen AFK causes mass AFKing.
I sometimes wonder if we're all just a part of of some sort of massive psychological experiment. |
mini rehak
The Southern Legion
46
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:49:00 -
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Speaking of akf parties, did you ever get that dancing hive video yet? |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1078
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:10:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:ladwar wrote:wow... i love how the event to lessen AFK causes mass AFKing. I sometimes wonder if we're all just a part of of some sort of massive psychological experiment. then CCP failed or using reverse psychology to get AFK numbers even higher which i dunno is true atm. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1796
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:11:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:castba wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:don't hate the player hate the game. So because it is possible to do, all players should be absolved of their decision to abuse game mechanics? What a bullshit thought process. CCP didn't make people AFK. People made their own decision to do so. Abuse? It's a game mechanic that allows you gain sp and isk even if you're doing nothing, maybe because ccp wanted to reward ppl unable to be useful for their squad, who knows. ccp is well aware of the problem since closed beta. They changed SP systems many times, but still afk is "permitted" somehow. But, please, understand that I myself posted a solution, even in closed beta i posted that same solution that would solve afking. Still nobody gives a damn. Either players and ccp.
Both players and CCP care I think, but it's a touchy issue to handle.
It would be sensible in some ways to have things completely performance-based, right? Don't give people SP for doing nothing. However, the WP award system in the game is already a bit broken. A dropship pilot that did nothing but act as... well, a dropship? That might be 0 WP for the match. Scanners = O WP. Vehicle Repair = 0 WP. This list goes on. WP accounts for a pretty narrow window of battlefield efforts. Are you killing people or destroying installments? Great! Here's your WP. Everyone else is screwed.
This aside from people that are "trying" to help their team, but failing. That person who puts down droplinks that either never get used or get destroyed before that. That person following a heavy repping that gets killed instead of the heavy. They don't get WP, but they're clearly participating.
Then of course, there are the new players. Pub-stomping can be an opportunity for WP in some ways, but it's often means excessive death, loss of ISK, and the inabilitiy to effectively fight back. This is significant for two reasons:
1. Any fix for AFK (or people doing things/attacking from the redline) has to account for the downtrodden folk that are forced into the redline. 2. New players are going to naturally perform worse than vets, and there'd be a huge SP gap that would only widen more if performance were the only metric by which they rewarded SP.
It gets more complicated still though. People AFK-ing are often vets, right? People get burned out, people aren't sure if they want to keep playing, etc. AFK-ing people are people that for whatever reason have NOT given up on the game. These are often people (I'd guess) that still give money to the devs in the form of boosters both active and passive. The point of AFK-ing is to keep getting SP even if you don't feel like playing. If SP-getting were to suddenly have a higher barrier of entry (only active play), those same vets might just drop from playing until some later date when the game "gets good". That means no more active booster purchases, which means an actual AFK fix might hurt CCP's bottom-line.
That's not to say there aren't ways to fix it, but AFK-ing is both a product of the game's problems and a sort of symbol of the faith people apparently still have in the future of it. If they weren't planning on playing again -at some point-, then there'd be no point in getting SP.
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Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
121
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:15:00 -
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Who won? Just curious cuz if no Null Cannons are taken then which side (if any) takes damage? That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1539
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:16:00 -
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Eriknaught wrote:Who won? Just curious cuz if no Null Cannons are taken then which side (if any) takes damage? That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.
MCCs do deal damage to eachother, and the attacking MCC always attacks first. |
Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
121
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:18:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Eriknaught wrote:Who won? Just curious cuz if no Null Cannons are taken then which side (if any) takes damage? That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. MCCs do deal damage to eachother, and the attacking MCC always attacks first.
Thanks for clearing that up. Never had to face a draw scenario.
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The Robot Devil
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
821
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:44:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. I never said in the OP that I was against it, nor do I deny doing it. Heck, I'm AFKing right now in the Oceania server. It still feels dirty, I'll admit, but this game is too much of a damn grind. I AFK on my main, then I actually go play the game on my alt, because I am honestly tired of using the AR and calogi suit. AFKing gives me a chance to keep up in points with my main, while I go test out new weapons and suits on my alt.
It feels dirty because you are a cheater, booster and exploiter. It is supposed to feel dirty when you lie, cheat and steal. Complaining about the thing your are doing...add hypocrisy to that list.
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calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
221
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Posted - 2013.08.08 08:49:00 -
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Yep that's me at the bottom. Unfortunately I happened to just join the game. For some reason I couldn't find one game that had not already started. So no I was not AFK I was lookin for a match so I could play murder taxi. I like to try and run you over and if I miss I jump out waddle my fat heavy self toward you and mow you down with my HMG. I cant do drive by's so this is the closest I can get. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
221
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Posted - 2013.08.08 08:52:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:LOL! Calvin B, explain yourself immediately!!
I did see comment above. |
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Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
109
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Posted - 2013.08.08 09:33:00 -
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haha this is hilarious, almost. CCP being desperate with SP events, trying to stay above 5k players. All they're getting is AFK people.
Press release: Hey everyone, Dust 514 is a success and we managed to have 5000 players in-game again, since weeks of failing said number.
I really hope some of you people got backup jobs while maintaining this turd. Hilarious, really.
If you'd only put more effort into this game. It's mindboggling seeing that you don't. 2013 CCP, it's really 2013 by now. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
963
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:03:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:Speaking of akf parties, did you ever get that dancing hive video yet?
Recorded another one tonight, but it went too long and I need to edit it so it doesn't take me 20 hours to upload. Sadly I don't have the video editing software ATM to do it, but I am working on it. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
963
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:06:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Yep that's me at the bottom. Unfortunately I happened to just join the game. For some reason I couldn't find one game that had not already started. So no I was not AFK I was lookin for a match so I could play murder taxi. I like to try and run you over and if I miss I jump out waddle my fat heavy self toward you and mow you down with my HMG. I cant do drive by's so this is the closest I can get.
Yup, in his defense every other match I was AFK, he was actively playing. He was just a late joiner in the one I happened to take a snapshot of. Sorry calvin |
sammus420
Goonfeet Top Men.
253
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:12:00 -
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I'm AFK and proud of it. The "problem" was brought to CCP's attention way back in closed beta, and since they haven't taken a single step in any direction to reduce the rewards for people who take part, we can only assume that AFKing is an intended part of the game.
And this event probably is a method for them to briefly raise the player count; someone from Sony is probably stopping by their office this week and they want to be able to say "but look! Our numbers are up compared to the last month!" |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
893
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:17:00 -
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Or maybe is just CCP putting all the AFKers together, in one 1990's server that they had collecting dust in the basement...?
Could it be ?... I do notice allot more activity in the battles i been playing recently ...KUDOS to you CCP if you found a way to do that. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
671
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:25:00 -
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back in beta I used to afk for about 10 or 11 games, now I just don't care if I hit cap or not, I play when I play and that's it. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
293
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:28:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:back in beta I used to afk for about 10 or 11 games, now I just don't care if I hit cap or not, I play when I play and that's it.
Best way to do it.
It's not a job, don't treat it like one. |
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