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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:45:00 -
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ladwar wrote:wow... i love how the event to lessen AFK causes mass AFKing.
I sometimes wonder if we're all just a part of of some sort of massive psychological experiment. |
mini rehak
The Southern Legion
46
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Posted - 2013.08.08 06:49:00 -
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Speaking of akf parties, did you ever get that dancing hive video yet? |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1078
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:10:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:ladwar wrote:wow... i love how the event to lessen AFK causes mass AFKing. I sometimes wonder if we're all just a part of of some sort of massive psychological experiment.
then CCP failed or using reverse psychology to get AFK numbers even higher which i dunno is true atm. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1796
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:11:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:castba wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:don't hate the player hate the game. So because it is possible to do, all players should be absolved of their decision to abuse game mechanics? What a bullshit thought process. CCP didn't make people AFK. People made their own decision to do so. Abuse? It's a game mechanic that allows you gain sp and isk even if you're doing nothing, maybe because ccp wanted to reward ppl unable to be useful for their squad, who knows. ccp is well aware of the problem since closed beta. They changed SP systems many times, but still afk is "permitted" somehow. But, please, understand that I myself posted a solution, even in closed beta i posted that same solution that would solve afking. Still nobody gives a damn. Either players and ccp.
Both players and CCP care I think, but it's a touchy issue to handle.
It would be sensible in some ways to have things completely performance-based, right? Don't give people SP for doing nothing. However, the WP award system in the game is already a bit broken. A dropship pilot that did nothing but act as... well, a dropship? That might be 0 WP for the match. Scanners = O WP. Vehicle Repair = 0 WP. This list goes on. WP accounts for a pretty narrow window of battlefield efforts. Are you killing people or destroying installments? Great! Here's your WP. Everyone else is screwed.
This aside from people that are "trying" to help their team, but failing. That person who puts down droplinks that either never get used or get destroyed before that. That person following a heavy repping that gets killed instead of the heavy. They don't get WP, but they're clearly participating.
Then of course, there are the new players. Pub-stomping can be an opportunity for WP in some ways, but it's often means excessive death, loss of ISK, and the inabilitiy to effectively fight back. This is significant for two reasons:
1. Any fix for AFK (or people doing things/attacking from the redline) has to account for the downtrodden folk that are forced into the redline.
2. New players are going to naturally perform worse than vets, and there'd be a huge SP gap that would only widen more if performance were the only metric by which they rewarded SP.
It gets more complicated still though. People AFK-ing are often vets, right? People get burned out, people aren't sure if they want to keep playing, etc. AFK-ing people are people that for whatever reason have NOT given up on the game. These are often people (I'd guess) that still give money to the devs in the form of boosters both active and passive. The point of AFK-ing is to keep getting SP even if you don't feel like playing. If SP-getting were to suddenly have a higher barrier of entry (only active play), those same vets might just drop from playing until some later date when the game "gets good". That means no more active booster purchases, which means an actual AFK fix might hurt CCP's bottom-line.
That's not to say there aren't ways to fix it, but AFK-ing is both a product of the game's problems and a sort of symbol of the faith people apparently still have in the future of it. If they weren't planning on playing again -at some point-, then there'd be no point in getting SP.
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Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
121
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:15:00 -
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Who won? Just curious cuz if no Null Cannons are taken then which side (if any) takes damage?
That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1539
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:16:00 -
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Eriknaught wrote:Who won? Just curious cuz if no Null Cannons are taken then which side (if any) takes damage?
That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.
MCCs do deal damage to eachother, and the attacking MCC always attacks first. |
Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
121
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:18:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Eriknaught wrote:Who won? Just curious cuz if no Null Cannons are taken then which side (if any) takes damage?
That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. MCCs do deal damage to eachother, and the attacking MCC always attacks first.
Thanks for clearing that up. Never had to face a draw scenario.
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The Robot Devil
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
821
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:44:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:True Adamance wrote:But you also AFKed which essentially makes you as bad as them. I never said in the OP that I was against it, nor do I deny doing it. Heck, I'm AFKing right now in the Oceania server. It still feels dirty, I'll admit, but this game is too much of a damn grind. I AFK on my main, then I actually go play the game on my alt, because I am honestly tired of using the AR and calogi suit. AFKing gives me a chance to keep up in points with my main, while I go test out new weapons and suits on my alt.
It feels dirty because you are a cheater, booster and exploiter. It is supposed to feel dirty when you lie, cheat and steal. Complaining about the thing your are doing...add hypocrisy to that list.
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
221
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Posted - 2013.08.08 08:49:00 -
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Yep that's me at the bottom. Unfortunately I happened to just join the game. For some reason I couldn't find one game that had not already started. So no I was not AFK I was lookin for a match so I could play murder taxi. I like to try and run you over and if I miss I jump out waddle my fat heavy self toward you and mow you down with my HMG. I cant do drive by's so this is the closest I can get. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
221
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Posted - 2013.08.08 08:52:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:LOL! Calvin B, explain yourself immediately!!
I did see comment above. |
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Calroon DeVil
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
109
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Posted - 2013.08.08 09:33:00 -
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haha this is hilarious, almost.
CCP being desperate with SP events, trying to stay above 5k players.
All they're getting is AFK people.
Press release: Hey everyone, Dust 514 is a success and we managed to have 5000 players in-game again, since weeks of failing said number.
I really hope some of you people got backup jobs while maintaining this turd.
Hilarious, really.
If you'd only put more effort into this game.
It's mindboggling seeing that you don't.
2013 CCP, it's really 2013 by now. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
963
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:03:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:Speaking of akf parties, did you ever get that dancing hive video yet?
Recorded another one tonight, but it went too long and I need to edit it so it doesn't take me 20 hours to upload. Sadly I don't have the video editing software ATM to do it, but I am working on it.  |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
963
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:06:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Yep that's me at the bottom. Unfortunately I happened to just join the game. For some reason I couldn't find one game that had not already started. So no I was not AFK I was lookin for a match so I could play murder taxi. I like to try and run you over and if I miss I jump out waddle my fat heavy self toward you and mow you down with my HMG. I cant do drive by's so this is the closest I can get.
Yup, in his defense every other match I was AFK, he was actively playing. He was just a late joiner in the one I happened to take a snapshot of. Sorry calvin  |
sammus420
Goonfeet
Top Men.
253
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:12:00 -
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I'm AFK and proud of it. The "problem" was brought to CCP's attention way back in closed beta, and since they haven't taken a single step in any direction to reduce the rewards for people who take part, we can only assume that AFKing is an intended part of the game.
And this event probably is a method for them to briefly raise the player count; someone from Sony is probably stopping by their office this week and they want to be able to say "but look! Our numbers are up compared to the last month!"  |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
893
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:17:00 -
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Or maybe is just CCP putting all the AFKers together, in one 1990's server that they had collecting dust in the basement...?
Could it be ?... I do notice allot more activity in the battles i been playing recently ...KUDOS to you CCP if you found a way to do that. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
671
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:25:00 -
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back in beta I used to afk for about 10 or 11 games, now I just don't care if I hit cap or not, I play when I play and that's it. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
General Tso's Alliance
293
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:28:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:back in beta I used to afk for about 10 or 11 games, now I just don't care if I hit cap or not, I play when I play and that's it.
Best way to do it.
It's not a job, don't treat it like one. |
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