there is no such thing as gun game in dust.

lol why flux? Can't take out uplink spam without flux.


EDIT: Its SyNergy btw

I use Flux, I just added it because I didn't wanna single out those poor core locus

Yes there is, it's just non-apparent in PC

No, there isn't. Every movement to your aim has a delay on it since Uprising and with the increase of strafe speed in 1.2 it has reached the point where there is no possible way for a human to track a target via reaction. Most of your so called "gun game" is actually instinctual guesswork, and folks who pride themselves on it are overconfident of their own abilities.

Furthermore, moving objects in Dust still do not have fluid movement as the netcode gives every person a kind of "slideshow shuffle" as they run. As long as player movement does not appear fluid there is no way for a human to do anything other than guess which will they will turn. Even an individual who jumps into the air can change direction on a whim, rendering prediction ultimately useless.


I too would enjoy Dust being an actual tracking shooter, but currently that is not possible with mechanics we have been given. Do not fool yourself into thinking you have proven gungame in Dust, because you don't. No one does.

It's all very well saying all that, and I do know exactly what you mean and I understand that is apparent. But that does not dismiss the fact that using weapons other than the aforementioned 5 is far more prudent in what I'd deem a 'good' fight. There are bugs and all that **** as we all know but hell at the end of the day, a gun fight is a gun fight and I'd much rather in not be against a spam-weapon. See my point? I wasn't trying to question the physical mechanics of the game.

I don't know how long you've been doing corp battles but its the way its always been done since before PC. People will always use whatever they have to to win. In the begin it was tanks/missiles then when we finally got off of manus peak it was all about getting up high with md and vizam. Its just the way the game is. Between the map layouts and the horrible lack of balance with weapons/equipment this is where we are.

Kinda sad that the best battles i had in PC where when we agree'd to not use certain weapons heh.

1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns

Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.

But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.

I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD

What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more?


- BANE

Well, I used to do corp battles all the time back in... say Jan-March kind of time, but then I quit Dust, and came back for PC. The old corp battles were better, at least, the matches I played. Fights against KEQ, WTF, BetaMax, PRO, PFB etc etc. The problems were apparent to a degree then but not quite as severe, the problems then as you say were more area-denial based not CQ spam.

You talk to me as if I'm unaware of the problem, that's the point of my post.

Didn't mean to talk down on you or anything, i guess my posts are a little aggressive since all the qq/hate recently.

So if you are aware of the problem what is the purpose of this thread? Just a rant i guess? I mean I don't see any other point to it especially for this section of the forum.

As long as there is FPS games and a competitive community to play them, they will always, ALWAYS go to certain weapons,equipment,tactics that can help them win.

Don't call in vehicles I don't use a forge...

Nades are a huge part of any shooter tho, so qq about them is a lost cause

Yeah just a rant to be honest, not exactly any less productive than the rest of the threads going around at the moment xD
But yeah, this ain't a QQ or ***** at anyone, I'm just mad at the game ;)

Haha your right there, then in my defense to my orginal post, let me rant too bro:P haha.

But ya I understand man, think everyone(even the people who usually keep quiet) are getting fed up with the game, hence posts like these.

1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns

Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.

But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.

I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD

What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more?


- BANE

You got to think if they start to nerf everything this game will loose more players then it will gain, the only thing what doesn't bother me Is the nades I do moan but I live with it (I am armor based myself)

1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns


- BANE

****'s stupid, but hey, DUST is all about who can spam all the gay **** the best. literally almost ALL my deaths were from nades and MD's.

Right so just take away any explosive weapons in PC.


People QQ too much. "I hate being killed by mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks, core locus grenades, and murder taxis." Stop crying.

You basically want a game without explosions

1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns

Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.

But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.

I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD

What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more?


- BANE

Thank you for making a list of all the effective weapons that are not ARs which you would like nerfed because they get kills and are not ARs. You are a bad player. Please go away and play CoD.

Hmm I don't remember writing that It think they should get nerfed :O I don't want them all to get nerfed, I want them to get balanced (MD mainly) big difference. And FYI O'Dell I dont use AR almost at all these days.

You sort of said it yourself, "a list of all the effective weapons" implying the other weapons aren't effective. That's my point, but I'm glad you managed to get your head around it one way or another I know it's a struggle sometimes.

Possibly we should just throw pillows at each other

I hate getting killed by Forges, Massdrivers, Flaylocks, and Murder Taxi's. Anything else takes at least feels fine to die from.

Not saying forge's don't take some skill....points. But It sucks to be kamehameha'd by militia forge's. Best thing I heard all day...my CEO agreeing that forge's shouldn't do damage to infantry, same way swarms don't.

No. FG should be left as is, nothing wrong with them.

I don't think there is either. It's just that people don't want to take the time to get rid of them.

They are certainly a pain in the ass.

I don't think there is either. It's just that people don't want to take the time to get rid of them.

They are certainly a pain in the ass.

Small range nerf would be nice

Small range nerf would be nice

1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns

Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.

But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.

I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD

What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more?


- BANE

No offence Skipper, but all you use is Mass Drivers and don't really care about PC, partly as you're either Awoxing or Ringing, I wouldn't really expect you to understand how frustrating it is for someone who wants to enjoy a good fight.

Seriously what is with all these calls for specific 'rule of engagement', otherwise you're not honorable. I understood the agreement not to use the pre-nerf flaylock because it was so ubiquitous and obviously broken, but this is getting to be ridiculous.

Unless we get another weapon that is on the pre-nerf flaylock or pre-nerf TAR level of broken-ness (hint: we do not have one currently), then can we just agree to play our best with whatever weapons or tactics we choose? Just play to the best of your ability and see who wins?

Seriously what is with all these calls for specific 'rule of engagement', otherwise you're not honorable. I understood the agreement not to use the pre-nerf flaylock because it was so ubiquitous and obviously broken, but this is getting to be ridiculous.

Unless we get another weapon that is on the pre-nerf flaylock or pre-nerf TAR level of broken-ness (hint: we do not have one currently), then can we just agree to play our best with whatever weapons or tactics we choose? Just play to the best of your ability and see who wins?

Shhh don't say that. People might start crying. +1


It seems like PC has turned into a list of these rules that are set up by people who start losing.


It seems like people just want to use ARs and HMGs in PC battles. People hate diversity

Just like in real life people hate those who are different.

I heard your tears don't look good on a mass driver.

Yeah, that's fine! make grenades do crap damage so you AR users can't die! Make sure you nerf Mass Drivers too.

Am I hearing that people want to limit use of weapons in PC to gun-game? What the douche? No. No GTFO. People did this crap in MGO and it brought the game down to nothing but crying fests(To the point where Assault Rifles were the only weapon people were allowed to use in player's servers). It's stupid, and it shouldn't in a game like this about actual wars and battles ESPECIALLY when CCP goes in and "tries" to balance things while in MGO nothing happened to balance the gameplay.

Solutions:
1) Mass Drivers - use a MD yourself
2) Core locus Grenades - skill into Core Grenades
3) Flux grenades - Have an armor variant suit
4) Core flaylocks - not a factor as much anymore
5) Ishukone assault forge guns - don't use vehicles

- Problem Solved

Ok, before I go into it again let's get something set, just once more for you so you understand. I don't have a problem with these weapons in general, I merely stated I would like to see a PC without them.

FYI I am armour anyway, I don't use Vehicles and I use fluxes myself

lol why flux? Can't take out uplink spam without flux.


EDIT: Its SyNergy btw

1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns

Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.

But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.

I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD

What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more?


- BANE

Why was the OP erased?

The plot thickens

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