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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
186
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:34:00 -
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3x grenades is too many. |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.08.08 09:15:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Thank you for making a list of all the effective weapons that are not ARs which you would like nerfed because they get kills and are not ARs. You are a bad player. Please go away and play CoD.
Hmm I don't remember writing that It think they should get nerfed :O I don't want them all to get nerfed, I want them to get balanced (MD mainly) big difference. And FYI O'Dell I dont use AR almost at all these days.
You sort of said it yourself, "a list of all the effective weapons" implying the other weapons aren't effective. That's my point, but I'm glad you managed to get your head around it one way or another I know it's a struggle sometimes. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
852
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Posted - 2013.08.08 13:07:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Thank you for making a list of all the effective weapons that are not ARs which you would like nerfed because they get kills and are not ARs. You are a bad player. Please go away and play CoD. Hmm I don't remember writing that It think they should get nerfed :O I don't want them all to get nerfed, I want them to get balanced (MD mainly) big difference. And FYI O'Dell I dont use AR almost at all these days. You sort of said it yourself, "a list of all the effective weapons" implying the other weapons aren't effective. That's my point, but I'm glad you managed to get your head around it one way or another I know it's a struggle sometimes.
I don't think that's what he's saying at all.
You guys just don't want to change your tactics. If there's a dude that fluxes you and follows it up by launching grenades out of a grenade launcher, you should move.
I think the FGs up high and other tactics make the game fun because you have to counter it. You can strafe your way to victory. You've got to get out a DS or get a sniper on him if you want that point.
If this game survives it'll be because of the vast amount of options you can fight with. |
iTbagyou
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.08.08 13:18:00 -
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Possibly we should just throw pillows at each other |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
852
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Posted - 2013.08.08 13:25:00 -
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iTbagyou wrote:Possibly we should just throw pillows at each other
But we can still use ARs.
And the the game would be renamed The Art of Straffing |
Piercing Serenity
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
396
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Posted - 2013.08.08 13:36:00 -
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Thought it was gonna be "PC without QQ"
Wouldn't that be a treat... |
Medical Crash
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
54
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:23:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:I hate getting killed by Forges, Massdrivers, Flaylocks, and Murder Taxi's. Anything else takes at least feels fine to die from.
Not saying forge's don't take some skill....points. But It sucks to be kamehameha'd by militia forge's. Best thing I heard all day...my CEO agreeing that forge's shouldn't do damage to infantry, same way swarms don't. No. FG should be left as is, nothing wrong with them. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
853
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:34:00 -
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Medical Crash wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I hate getting killed by Forges, Massdrivers, Flaylocks, and Murder Taxi's. Anything else takes at least feels fine to die from.
Not saying forge's don't take some skill....points. But It sucks to be kamehameha'd by militia forge's. Best thing I heard all day...my CEO agreeing that forge's shouldn't do damage to infantry, same way swarms don't. No. FG should be left as is, nothing wrong with them.
I don't think there is either. It's just that people don't want to take the time to get rid of them.
They are certainly a pain in the ass. |
Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
51
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:43:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Medical Crash wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I hate getting killed by Forges, Massdrivers, Flaylocks, and Murder Taxi's. Anything else takes at least feels fine to die from.
Not saying forge's don't take some skill....points. But It sucks to be kamehameha'd by militia forge's. Best thing I heard all day...my CEO agreeing that forge's shouldn't do damage to infantry, same way swarms don't. No. FG should be left as is, nothing wrong with them. I don't think there is either. It's just that people don't want to take the time to get rid of them. They are certainly a pain in the ass. We're the big fat guys standing still on top of a structure out in the open charging our weapons. Snipe us. It's not that hard. |
Moochie Cricket
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
423
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:00:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Medical Crash wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I hate getting killed by Forges, Massdrivers, Flaylocks, and Murder Taxi's. Anything else takes at least feels fine to die from.
Not saying forge's don't take some skill....points. But It sucks to be kamehameha'd by militia forge's. Best thing I heard all day...my CEO agreeing that forge's shouldn't do damage to infantry, same way swarms don't. No. FG should be left as is, nothing wrong with them. I don't think there is either. It's just that people don't want to take the time to get rid of them. They are certainly a pain in the ass.
Small range nerf would be nice |
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Killar-12
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
439
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:10:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Medical Crash wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I hate getting killed by Forges, Massdrivers, Flaylocks, and Murder Taxi's. Anything else takes at least feels fine to die from.
Not saying forge's don't take some skill....points. But It sucks to be kamehameha'd by militia forge's. Best thing I heard all day...my CEO agreeing that forge's shouldn't do damage to infantry, same way swarms don't. No. FG should be left as is, nothing wrong with them. I don't think there is either. It's just that people don't want to take the time to get rid of them. They are certainly a pain in the ass. Small range nerf would be nice or Pulling out a sniper rifle. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
853
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:11:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Medical Crash wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I hate getting killed by Forges, Massdrivers, Flaylocks, and Murder Taxi's. Anything else takes at least feels fine to die from.
Not saying forge's don't take some skill....points. But It sucks to be kamehameha'd by militia forge's. Best thing I heard all day...my CEO agreeing that forge's shouldn't do damage to infantry, same way swarms don't. No. FG should be left as is, nothing wrong with them. I don't think there is either. It's just that people don't want to take the time to get rid of them. They are certainly a pain in the ass. Small range nerf would be nice
I think instead of a nerf there should be some resistances for drop ships that help them survive FGs a little better. With a tank they can enfilade and defilade to avoid AV, unless of course they are going rambo into large groups of infantry. Dropships are just sitting ducks for FGs and swarms. |
XxWarlordxX97
187.
4399
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:54:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:1) Mass Drivers 2) Core locus Grenades 3) Flux grenades 4) Core flaylocks 5) Ishukone assault forge guns
Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.
But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.
I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD
What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more?
- BANE Where is the LLAV
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Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
603
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:03:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:1) Mass Drivers 2) Core locus Grenades 3) Flux grenades 4) Core flaylocks 5) Ishukone assault forge guns
- BANE Right so just take away any explosive weapons in PC. People QQ too much. "I hate being killed by mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks, core locus grenades, and murder taxis." Stop crying. You basically want a game without explosions No offence Skipper, but all you use is Mass Drivers and don't really care about PC, partly as you're either Awoxing or Ringing, I wouldn't really expect you to understand how frustrating it is for someone who wants to enjoy a good fight.
Frustrating? You only knew me since MCOD. I only recently started using the MD in PC. I use the SR more than anything. If you want to enjoy a good fight go to a pub. or Q sync with someone. I realize that people hate the MD, but it's only because they are getting killed by it.
I understand what you're saying. And I'm saying it's not reasonable. I've been in PC battle that I haven't been ringing for. I get that you hate explosions. But it's part of the game. Go to a PFC if you want 'rules'. I heard someone is really strict over there... |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven EoN.
282
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:13:00 -
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Seriously what is with all these calls for specific 'rule of engagement', otherwise you're not honorable. I understood the agreement not to use the pre-nerf flaylock because it was so ubiquitous and obviously broken, but this is getting to be ridiculous.
Unless we get another weapon that is on the pre-nerf flaylock or pre-nerf TAR level of broken-ness (hint: we do not have one currently), then can we just agree to play our best with whatever weapons or tactics we choose? Just play to the best of your ability and see who wins? |
Killar-12
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
441
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:13:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Seriously what is with all these calls for specific 'rule of engagement', otherwise you're not honorable. I understood the agreement not to use the pre-nerf flaylock because it was so ubiquitous and obviously broken, but this is getting to be ridiculous.
Unless we get another weapon that is on the pre-nerf flaylock or pre-nerf TAR level of broken-ness (hint: we do not have one currently), then can we just agree to play our best with whatever weapons or tactics we choose? Just play to the best of your ability and see who wins? Thank you... |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
321
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:18:00 -
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Am I hearing that people want to limit use of weapons in PC to gun-game? What the douche? No. No GTFO. People did this crap in MGO and it brought the game down to nothing but crying fests(To the point where Assault Rifles were the only weapon people were allowed to use in player's servers). It's stupid, and it shouldn't in a game like this about actual wars and battles ESPECIALLY when CCP goes in and "tries" to balance things while in MGO nothing happened to balance the gameplay. |
Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
606
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:18:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Seriously what is with all these calls for specific 'rule of engagement', otherwise you're not honorable. I understood the agreement not to use the pre-nerf flaylock because it was so ubiquitous and obviously broken, but this is getting to be ridiculous.
Unless we get another weapon that is on the pre-nerf flaylock or pre-nerf TAR level of broken-ness (hint: we do not have one currently), then can we just agree to play our best with whatever weapons or tactics we choose? Just play to the best of your ability and see who wins?
Shhh don't say that. People might start crying. +1
It seems like PC has turned into a list of these rules that are set up by people who start losing.
It seems like people just want to use ARs and HMGs in PC battles. People hate diversity |
Killar-12
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
442
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:20:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Seriously what is with all these calls for specific 'rule of engagement', otherwise you're not honorable. I understood the agreement not to use the pre-nerf flaylock because it was so ubiquitous and obviously broken, but this is getting to be ridiculous.
Unless we get another weapon that is on the pre-nerf flaylock or pre-nerf TAR level of broken-ness (hint: we do not have one currently), then can we just agree to play our best with whatever weapons or tactics we choose? Just play to the best of your ability and see who wins? Shhh don't say that. People might start crying. +1 It seems like PC has turned into a list of these rules that are set up by people who start losing. It seems like people just want to use ARs and HMGs in PC battles. People hate diversity Just like in real life people hate those who are different. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
858
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:26:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Seriously what is with all these calls for specific 'rule of engagement', otherwise you're not honorable. I understood the agreement not to use the pre-nerf flaylock because it was so ubiquitous and obviously broken, but this is getting to be ridiculous.
Unless we get another weapon that is on the pre-nerf flaylock or pre-nerf TAR level of broken-ness (hint: we do not have one currently), then can we just agree to play our best with whatever weapons or tactics we choose? Just play to the best of your ability and see who wins? Shhh don't say that. People might start crying. +1 It seems like PC has turned into a list of these rules that are set up by people who start losing. It seems like people just want to use ARs and HMGs in PC battles. People hate diversity Just like in real life people hate those who are different.
It's getting philosophical in here. |
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Arcturis Vanguard
Pure Innocence. EoN.
65
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:39:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
****'s stupid, but hey, DUST is all about who can spam all the gay **** the best. literally almost ALL my deaths were from nades and MD's.
I heard your tears don't look good on a mass driver. Yeah, that's fine! make grenades do crap damage so you AR users can't die! Make sure you nerf Mass Drivers too.
Umm...skipper....lance is predominantly heavy...
(Thinks to himself) I can't recall a moment where lance had an AR in his hands... |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:47:00 -
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Lol,
Love how what I was actually saying was "I'd like to see a PC fight without these weapons".
But to a lot of you, that means "I hate all these weapons and they should never be used and nerfed, all we should use is ARs".
Not what I meant, just would like to see a match without them for once, but it's a shame that was misconstrued, I understand the importance of the weapons and the degree of variety. Ah nvm. |
DJINN Kujo
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
420
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:42:00 -
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Solutions: 1) Mass Drivers - use a MD yourself 2) Core locus Grenades - skill into Core Grenades 3) Flux grenades - Have an armor variant suit 4) Core flaylocks - not a factor as much anymore 5) Ishukone assault forge guns - don't use vehicles
- Problem Solved |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1127
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:14:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Am I hearing that people want to limit use of weapons in PC to gun-game? What the douche? No. No GTFO. People did this crap in MGO and it brought the game down to nothing but crying fests(To the point where Assault Rifles were the only weapon people were allowed to use in player's servers). It's stupid, and it shouldn't in a game like this about actual wars and battles ESPECIALLY when CCP goes in and "tries" to balance things while in MGO nothing happened to balance the gameplay.
pay more attention to the war room...
every time anything happens people QQ
1 thing I will always respect IE/AE/George Foreman grill salesman for..
they recognize and appreciate good fights just like we do.
before, during, after we do what we think will secure a victory, using whatever is available in the game to achieve our goal.
everyone rocking the FoTM doesn't necessarily translate into WINNING.
sure player X Y and Z spec into FoTM and now get more kills, but this is skirmish... control points, domination, pick a term.
cloning out the opposition in a truly competitive match isn't a very good tactic. Just ask those that have tried
sure there's situations that arise where this is a factor, but that's not the norm
in all of our PC I seem to recall only a handful of matches that resulted in 1 team cloning the other.
yes explosives weapons are the current popular choice among most. I attribute that to the absolutely pi$$ poor hit detection that doesn't affect explosives nearly as much.
sadly, I think its true, and once we see hit detection addressed the skilled players currently using FoTM will go back to what they prefer |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:19:00 -
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DJINN Kujo wrote:Solutions: 1) Mass Drivers - use a MD yourself 2) Core locus Grenades - skill into Core Grenades 3) Flux grenades - Have an armor variant suit 4) Core flaylocks - not a factor as much anymore 5) Ishukone assault forge guns - don't use vehicles
- Problem Solved
Ok, before I go into it again let's get something set, just once more for you so you understand. I don't have a problem with these weapons in general, I merely stated I would like to see a PC without them.
FYI I am armour anyway, I don't use Vehicles and I use fluxes myself |
Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
55
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:29:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:DJINN Kujo wrote:Solutions: 1) Mass Drivers - use a MD yourself 2) Core locus Grenades - skill into Core Grenades 3) Flux grenades - Have an armor variant suit 4) Core flaylocks - not a factor as much anymore 5) Ishukone assault forge guns - don't use vehicles
- Problem Solved Ok, before I go into it again let's get something set, just once more for you so you understand. I don't have a problem with these weapons in general, I merely stated I would like to see a PC without them. FYI I am armour anyway, I don't use Vehicles and I use fluxes myself but by stating that you would like to see a PC without these weapons implies that you do have a problem with them. that's why players responded the way they did. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1192
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:53:00 -
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inconvenient to ones chosen profession is not the same as broken or OP.
Leave the damn forge alone, it doesn't need a range or a damage nerf. Hell nothing in this game needs another range nerf. It's already a joke for weapon ranges among all other FPS titles. |
Jadu Wen
Xer Cloud Consortium
14
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:47:00 -
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Jarlaxle Xorlarrin wrote:lol why flux? Can't take out uplink spam without flux.
EDIT: Its SyNergy btw
You should check out this thread on Using Radiation Zones to Curtail Drop Uplink Use. I think it's a novel way to recondition but not force players to discontinue uplink spam of objectives. Plus it creates a system for highly dynamic play. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1494
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:13:00 -
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Id like to see no proto AV at all against my basic tank, hell id use the standard turret too
But fat chance that is going to happen |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
843
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:47:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:1) Mass Drivers 2) Core locus Grenades 3) Flux grenades 4) Core flaylocks 5) Ishukone assault forge guns
Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.
But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.
I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD
What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more?
- BANE
Unfortunatley there are a lot of people I believe would suck a dk to win so it will never happen.
Forget the epic gun fights and logi heals being effective in combat, those days are gone. |
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