That's like saying a military General cannot lead men because he doesn't have a Masters in Music Theory.

I don't have enough attention personally to get to proto on anything... I keep trying different weapons, suits, and such. I currently have both Gallente and Caldari advanced medium suits, about to get advanced Gallente Logi, have advanced scramblers, mass drivers, assault rifles, SMG, and flaylock (which I am beyond terrible with so switched to SMG). My shield and armor skills are mediocre at best because I keep leveling them up together.

Basically I get things to advanced and then move on to try the next thing.

Luckily I have been able to stay away from investing anything in vehicles because that would just ruin me and I would never get anywhere.

Why? I don't balance vehicle stats, I don't do art for them, I don't do any design for them whatsoever. I am much more interested in making sure I am involved with, or as close to as possible, the areas of the game that I and the rest of my team do work on.

The game is way too big to know everything, skill into everything, do everything, and just understand it all. So yes, I could go and learn things I do not work on or I could instead spend that time trying to make sure I have at least a small understanding of what is going on with what I do work on. :)

You... don't even have an argument.

I got max proto gallente logi then maxed the entire dropsuit core upgrades skill tree (hacking, scan buffs...everything). I then got light weps operation and MD operation to 5. I am sooooo satisfied with that progress that I am finally ready to start speccing into LLAV and LDropship which I'm just gonna unlock before hitting vehicle core upgrades. I wanted to be a DS pilot again ever since Codex and now that I have logi maxed out, I'm ready to commit to the good sheet! I'll be on 20 mill SP at the end of the month .

I'll end up speccing into anything that says "logistics" in it ...

...and eWarfare!

much love to foxfour, but I have to take this opportunity here to point out that you are doing it (a little bit) wrong. You're fine on not training proto suits, that's a huge SP investment, and with the suit bonuses being nearly worthless, its really not worth training the protosuit if you plan to spend significant time doing anything else (including using STD or ADV versions of that same suit). Not training proto weapons however (do at least your primary!) is unfortunate because those SP are well spent even if you don't plan to use the duvolle/freedom/boundless whatever. In other words... DAT PROFICIENCY SKILL. Basically suit bonuses are ****, the skill is a high multiplier, the weapon bonuses are always good, and they have a low multiplier.

Also, try a few Corp Battles against a top tier PC corporation, without using any proto gear... That might influence your perceptions just a little bit. And don't tell me you can't, CCP devs having hidden alter-egos inside active sov-warfare corps is an established tradition (if an occasionally decried one).

At least he keeps involved in goings-on pertaining to vehicles.

This is good advice, hopefully some people read it before going straight to proto thinking it will change all sorts of problems for them.
It's more about the modules you use vs the suit

Very true. I just keep wanting to try different weapons! Once I have all the weapons to advanced I will try and get one of them to level 5. As you said, even if I don't use the proto version of the weapon the skill is still giving me a bonus and then I have access to the proficiency skills.

CCP FoxFour has the "Troll Free" racial bonus (Resists baiting by 20% per level)
CCP FoxFour activates his "Shut the f**k down" module. However, with Compassion Proficiency level 5, he can soften the blow

Take it easy there CoD. He doesn't have 28K likes for nothing.

I don't have enough attention personally to get to proto on anything... I keep trying different weapons, suits, and such. I currently have both Gallente and Caldari advanced medium suits, about to get advanced Gallente Logi, have advanced scramblers, mass drivers, assault rifles, SMG, and flaylock (which I am beyond terrible with so switched to SMG). My shield and armor skills are mediocre at best because I keep leveling them up together.

Basically I get things to advanced and then move on to try the next thing.

Luckily I have been able to stay away from investing anything in vehicles because that would just ruin me and I would never get anywhere.

anyone who is serious about this game should not be agreeing with this.

Its unfortunate for new players not to be able to respec, or still being in the 'beta'

this is where everyone did all this testing and got reset and tried other things.

if anyone wants to be competitive in this game.. you NEED to specialize.. first and foremost

going proto for your suit is important, but NOT the top priority imo..

upgrading innates, and specializing a weapon and particular equipment should be the first priorities

when your suit begins to limit you, that's when you grind for the next.

adv level suits allow players to be extremely competitive

innate shields and armor as well as shield extenders and/or armor plating (depending on your style) are extremely useful

core upgrades, electronics, engineering are crucial to be able to properly fit your stuff

if in a corp building up, covering various roles is paramount to success.

we were all at this point, perfect example is my own corp. I have been heavy since day 1.. hmg first, then forge. had another heavy, did it opposite.. started forge, then hmg

our logis started out differently.. each getting their primary weapon, but 1 goes droplinks, another nanos, etc etc

being able to fit the equipment is obviously necessary.

be smart with your SP. ask a buddy if not sure what to spend it on.

until u get over 10m SP you really need to be smart with it

And you know that i dont? How may i ask would you know such a thing?

After a month of intense playing, I finally got my PROTO Logistic Dropsuit.

Even though it has many options compare to all others Dropsuits, my advice would be to work on your Advance Dropsuit and then your Dropsuit Upgrades.

The PROTO Dropsuit will not make you invincible. :)

Also remember to get a PROTO Dropsuit you need to reach (the 696'...k SP) Level 4 that will give you absolutely nothing, and then the whopping 1'245'... SP (or so) level 5.

With almost 2M SP you can level-up allot of Dropsuit Upgrades, that will help you as much as a PROTO.

Hope this helps someone making the right decision, since here in DUST once you make a decision, you have to LIVE with it!

im a caldari assault myself, and if your not playing in PC, my advice is to get your basic specalized suit, and stick with it till you hit 10million SP. i know this sounds terrible, but running a standard level AR with proficiency 5 will let you mop up on anybody you meet, especially with a single complex shield extender and complex damage mod in the high slot. my standard fit for pubs is

Dragonfly assault suit
Toxin AR
Toxin SMG
M1 locus grenade
standard level nanohive
complex shield extender
complex light damage mod
advanced armor rep
advanced cpu upgrade

this suit runs me just under 17thousand isk per death and im usually in the top3 of the leaderboard for my team in pubs. its a cheap suit, and with a little extra isk, you can upgrade the aurum items with isk and still profit.

I don't have enough attention personally to get to proto on anything... I keep trying different weapons, suits, and such. I currently have both Gallente and Caldari advanced medium suits, about to get advanced Gallente Logi, have advanced scramblers, mass drivers, assault rifles, SMG, and flaylock (which I am beyond terrible with so switched to SMG). My shield and armor skills are mediocre at best because I keep leveling them up together.

Basically I get things to advanced and then move on to try the next thing.

Luckily I have been able to stay away from investing anything in vehicles because that would just ruin me and I would never get anywhere.

I actually run my adv most games, but nice to see your ideas and fits are the same as mine, lol =)

You have to understand that CoD here is on a "Remove AV from the game" crusade and anything that even seems like its anti-vehicle, like a dev saying he doesn't spec into vehicles, becomes a target for his QQ.

And you know that i dont? How may i ask would you know such a thing?

Yes many of us now run proto all the time, and lose isk every pub match, but we also make profit overall because of corproation structure and pc. This is not the norm...

im a caldari assault myself, and if your not playing in PC, my advice is to get your basic specalized suit, and stick with it till you hit 10million SP. i know this sounds terrible, but running a standard level AR with proficiency 5 will let you mop up on anybody you meet, especially with a single complex shield extender and complex damage mod in the high slot. my standard fit for pubs is

Dragonfly assault suit
Toxin AR
Toxin SMG
M1 locus grenade
standard level nanohive
complex shield extender
complex light damage mod
advanced armor rep
advanced cpu upgrade

this suit runs me just under 17thousand isk per death and im usually in the top3 of the leaderboard for my team in pubs. its a cheap suit, and with a little extra isk, you can upgrade the aurum items with isk and still profit.

Usually designers and producers are good at the game being made/worked on.

A true engineer is more concerned if the system works, and getting the hardware it is running on to not die.

The designer/producers are making sure it is fun, feels right, is balanced, etc.

Don't confuse the 2 jobs.

Why? I don't balance vehicle stats, I don't do art for them, I don't do any design for them whatsoever. I am much more interested in making sure I am involved with, or as close to as possible, the areas of the game that I and the rest of my team do work on.

The game is way too big to know everything, skill into everything, do everything, and just understand it all. So yes, I could go and learn things I do not work on or I could instead spend that time trying to make sure I have at least a small understanding of what is going on with what I do work on. :)

Luckily I have been able to stay away from investing anything in vehicles because that would just ruin me and I would never get anywhere.

Because dust is designed with 32 years of skills to train to start off *with the current gaps filled in* and you think that's ok...

You ... I... 'alwkdja;k what is wrong with you foxfour :/ this game need to have sub weapon skills reduced to 0.5 muliplers, suits need to be x2 for basic and x8 for advanced. LAVs should be x4

Think about it, tanks are x12 what are fighters going to be x20, MCC x40, larger ground titans x80????

You guys have no idea how to make a game, you actually had MORE PLAYERS before release. Before release dust had only 16 years of skills to train. Shield and armor skills buffed both dropsuits and tanks.

SHIELD AND ARMOR SKILLS SHOULD BUFF BOTH DROP SUITS AND TANKS AGAIN *for starters...*

If you guys can't figure out why this game had more players during the open beta then during release you should all get fired and replaced with a new team with a new vision.

what kinda of game releases from open beta and without a word of feedback doubles the length of the skill training prgression trees without adding any new content...

New content should increase training times not some, "oh today we are making a change so that everyone has to grind twice as long, because you know what players in the beta wouldn't stop complaining about? They were complaining that it was too easy to cross train into vehicles, and different weapons, yeah that's the feedback we were giving you, you really hit the mark on that change guys. HIGH FIVE.