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Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1974
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Posted - 2014.11.10 20:37:00 -
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They are fodder for snipers. Let me explain.
Heavies don't really go outside, so snipers aren't a massive issue for them.
Scouts are (1) cloaked, (2) fast, (3) with small hitboxes, and (4) focus on short range combat (shotguns, knives, and rifle hipfire) so they don't ADS much. So snipers see them less often, and miss much more often.
For assaults, you don't have the close range firepower to stay indoors like a heavy. Your place is mid to long range combat. But you (1) don't have a cloak, (2) are relatively slow with a (3) relatively large hitbox, and (4) are reliant on ADS (you're not fast enough to close to hipfire range like a scout usually does).
All of this makes you a sitting duck for snipers. You have maybe 200-300 HP more than a scout, but a headshot is an OHK regardless; it might take three body shots rather than two to take you down, but you are much more likely to get hit three times than a scout is to get hit twice.
Not butthurt, I don't have any SP in assaults on my main character. But taking my assault alt for a spin has been an eye opener, and a head opener (my head).
inb4 imbeciles with 1KDRs who can't read, going 'IF U WOZ AS GR8 AS ME UD NEVAR DYE EVAR!!!!11111111111'. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4503
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Posted - 2014.11.10 20:39:00 -
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As a Gallente Assault with an Assault Rifle and an Ion Pistol, I am close range and almost never die from snipers even out in the open.
Your argument is now null. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1974
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Posted - 2014.11.10 20:49:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:As a Gallente Assault with an Assault Rifle and an Ion Pistol, I am close range and almost never die from snipers even out in the open.
Your argument is now null. With the Gallente assault and AR you ADS a little less as the range is so poor, which may mitigate things a little. Still, you have not addressed the fundamentals of the argument I am making. |
Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
135
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Posted - 2014.11.10 21:02:00 -
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@Ryme Intrinseca I agree with you, middle frame are the most-killed frame by snipers, but I don't know what to do to improve it. Personnally, I'm an assault, but I don't care about those snipers Simply : If they kill me. I'll kill them. Not a dream. This is a reality. Charge Sniper Rifle + 4 complex damager + headshot = Bye bye sniper camper
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4374
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Posted - 2014.11.10 21:35:00 -
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If I get headshotted by a sniper, they deserved it.
If I get 4 bodyshotted by a sniper, they deserve it.
If I choose to not respond to the sniper, I hope they enjoy continuing to snipe me.
I am an assault suit.
Yes certain maps are 2 ******* large and there's just 2 much ******* open ground to get to another "hotspot"
Be much better on maps these sizes to have like 9 objectives and 32 v 32 teams (looking at you fracture road and gorder gulch and NOT line harvest or the like)
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
281
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:01:00 -
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You say scouts can hide from snipers with their cloak, yet I can clearly see that blueish glow running around.
I headshotted a sprinting cloaker with a Charge SR today.
That moment when you mow down a proto Caldari assault suit with a militia laser rifle.
Words can't describe it.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5889
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:04:00 -
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I'm an Assault Amarr and I run around with an Assault SCR, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, 2 complex damage mods and two Complex Kinetic Catalyzers. And anything within 30m of me is dead.
Therefore, your argument is invalid.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13586
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:13:00 -
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Killer's Coys wrote:@Ryme Intrinseca I agree with you, middle frame are the most-killed frame by snipers, but I don't know what to do to improve it.
That's because there's nothing to improve other than your worth as a player.
With the current SR iteration, if you find yourself getting repeatedly killed by them than you need assess your ability to use cover and perhaps your strafing skills as well.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1974
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:45:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm an Assault Amarr and I run around with an Assault SCR, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, 2 complex damage mods and two Complex Kinetic Catalyzers. And anything within 30m of me is dead.
Therefore, your argument is invalid. On the contrary, this is totally irrelevant to the issue of assault vulnerability to snipers. |
Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1257
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Posted - 2014.11.10 23:53:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm an Assault Amarr and I run around with an Assault SCR, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, 2 complex damage mods and two Complex Kinetic Catalyzers. And anything within 30m of me is dead.
Therefore, your argument is invalid. On the contrary, this is totally irrelevant to the issue of assault vulnerability to snipers. Lol. Assault 'vulnerability'.
Try running a bright yellow suit. With nearly scout level eHP. And nearly commando level speed.
Then,i'll listen to your legitimate complaint.
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
769
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Posted - 2014.11.10 23:58:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm an Assault Amarr and I run around with an Assault SCR, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, 2 complex damage mods and two Complex Kinetic Catalyzers. And anything within 30m of me is dead.
Therefore, your argument is invalid. On the contrary, this is totally irrelevant to the issue of assault vulnerability to snipers. Lol. Assault 'vulnerability'. Try running a bright yellow suit. With nearly scout level eHP. And nearly commando level speed. Then,i'll listen to your legitimate complaint.
Do Logi's really only have 300 eHP?
I don't Logi but if this is true I understand why no one does anymore.
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1257
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Posted - 2014.11.11 00:23:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Meee One wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm an Assault Amarr and I run around with an Assault SCR, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, 2 complex damage mods and two Complex Kinetic Catalyzers. And anything within 30m of me is dead.
Therefore, your argument is invalid. On the contrary, this is totally irrelevant to the issue of assault vulnerability to snipers. Lol. Assault 'vulnerability'. Try running a bright yellow suit. With nearly scout level eHP. And nearly commando level speed. Then,i'll listen to your legitimate complaint. Do Logi's really only have 300 eHP? I don't Logi but if this is true I understand why no one does anymore. Min logistics only has 240 eHP base. Yet is slower than basic. eHP speed ratio doesn't apply it seems.
According to a certain CCP dev "240 eHP is fine". Amarr has the most at 300.
It even costs the most too.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
942
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Posted - 2014.11.11 00:43:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Meee One wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm an Assault Amarr and I run around with an Assault SCR, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, 2 complex damage mods and two Complex Kinetic Catalyzers. And anything within 30m of me is dead.
Therefore, your argument is invalid. On the contrary, this is totally irrelevant to the issue of assault vulnerability to snipers. Lol. Assault 'vulnerability'. Try running a bright yellow suit. With nearly scout level eHP. And nearly commando level speed. Then,i'll listen to your legitimate complaint. Do Logi's really only have 300 eHP? I don't Logi but if this is true I understand why no one does anymore. Min logistics only has 240 eHP base. Yet is slower than basic. eHP speed ratio doesn't apply it seems. According to a certain CCP dev "240 eHP is fine".Amarr has the most at 300. It even costs the most too.
I'm thinking of repurposing some old WW2 propaganda posters to warn about " The Slayer Logis", and rally causes to the "Noble Scout Cause".
Or maybe some Cold War propaganda...
Even Rattati seems so afraid of Logis that is unwilling to give them the same treatment as the other classes.
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
475
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:04:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:
Even Rattati seems so afraid of Logis that is unwilling to give them the same treatment as the other classes.
Considering the slayer logi fiasco it's kind of understandable... definitely not logical but at least understandable.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1854
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:10:00 -
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With my minmatar assault, I'm fast, have boatloads of HP, have a very nice bonus, and fight to my strengths.
With my gal assault, I am moderately fast, have more HP then my minmatar, bonus is meh, but I fight to my strengths in cqc.
With my amarr assault I am slow, have even more HP then my gal, have a very very nice bonus, fight to my strengths out in medium long range with a high DPs weapon and stick around cover if the maps open in defence. The maps arent very open
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1257
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:53:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:
I'm thinking of repurposing some old WW2 propaganda posters to warn about " The Slayer Logis", and rally causes to the "Noble Scout Cause".
Or maybe some Cold War propaganda...
Even Rattati seems so afraid of Logis that is unwilling to give them the same treatment as the other classes.
The low eHP wouldn't bother me so much if logistics had speed and stamina with good eWAR to make up for it.
Scouts have low eHP,but high speed and stamina with fantastic eWAR. Heavies have low speed but high eHP.
Logistics has low eHP and low speed with mediocre eWAR .
Yet equipment costs make it easily the most expensive suit in the game.
Logistics is designed to be easy prey for all other classes,which is incredibly stupid seeing as every other suit can solo effectively. And no other classes have such arbitrary nerfs
Several things need to happen. -Equipment costs reduction. -Speed and stamina as well as eWAR buff. (let logis run and hide if they aren't meant to fight ffs)
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1257
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:56:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:
Even Rattati seems so afraid of Logis that is unwilling to give them the same treatment as the other classes.
Considering the slayer logi fiasco it's kind of understandable... definitely not logical but at least understandable. Didn't that happen 8+ months ago? When ARs shot as far as RRs?
Yeah,some people just need to move on. Being stuck in the past and ruled by fear is an excellent way to ruin your future.
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xavier zor
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
197
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Posted - 2014.11.11 02:17:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm an Assault Amarr and I run around with an Assault SCR, TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol, 2 complex damage mods and two Complex Kinetic Catalyzers. And anything within 30m of me is dead.
Therefore, your argument is invalid.
Not me, when i am behind you charging my Ishokune's up
Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
5852
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Posted - 2014.11.11 02:17:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:They are fodder for snipers. Let me explain.
Heavies don't really go outside, so snipers aren't a massive issue for them.
Scouts are (1) cloaked, (2) fast, (3) with small hitboxes, and (4) focus on short range combat (shotguns, knives, and rifle hipfire) so they don't ADS much. So snipers see them less often, and miss much more often.
For assaults, you don't have the close range firepower to stay indoors like a heavy. Your place is mid to long range combat. But you (1) don't have a cloak, (2) are relatively slow with a (3) relatively large hitbox, and (4) are reliant on ADS (you're not fast enough to close to hipfire range like a scout usually does).
All of this makes you a sitting duck for snipers. You have maybe 200-300 HP more than a scout, but a headshot is an OHK regardless; it might take three body shots rather than two to take you down, but you are much more likely to get hit three times than a scout is to get hit twice.
Not butthurt, I don't have any SP in assaults on my main character. But taking my assault alt for a spin has been an eye opener, and a head opener (my head).
inb4 imbeciles with 1KDRs who can't read, going 'IF U WOZ AS GR8 AS ME UD NEVAR DYE EVAR!!!!11111111111'.
My Min assault has over 900EHP and 7.7+ sprint speed. So i dont have issues with sniper either.
''For assaults, you don't have the close range firepower to stay indoors like a heavy'' Depends on the weapon a GK.0 with Breach AR, Min with any CR, Amarr well tanked with a powerful sidearm or Carthum ASCR can defend themselves pretty well in CQ.
You should just change the name of this thread to '' Another problem with MY assault suit''
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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cronopio feju
corporacion alfa
13
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Posted - 2014.11.11 02:22:00 -
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That's why I bring out my Assaul Quafe A-I, I will note the sniper's and bring them down with my own sniper then, return to the field and wait...
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1701
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Posted - 2014.11.11 02:39:00 -
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I worry more about snipers in my sentinel suit than I do in my assault suit. I just don't know what the fck it is but snipers will ignore a guy counter sniping not even 10 meters away from me just to ping away at my sentinel suit. They don't even shoot me in the head (lord knows I'm slow enough a head shot should be easy) they just ping me until I pop back behind cover and then wait for me to pop back out; all the while still ignoring that other dude sitting right out in the open begging to shot in the head.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1794
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Posted - 2014.11.11 02:55:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:They are fodder for snipers. Let me explain.
Heavies don't really go outside, so snipers aren't a massive issue for them.
Scouts are (1) cloaked, (2) fast, (3) with small hitboxes, and (4) focus on short range combat (shotguns, knives, and rifle hipfire) so they don't ADS much. So snipers see them less often, and miss much more often.
For assaults, you don't have the close range firepower to stay indoors like a heavy. Your place is mid to long range combat. But you (1) don't have a cloak, (2) are relatively slow with a (3) relatively large hitbox, and (4) are reliant on ADS (you're not fast enough to close to hipfire range like a scout usually does).
All of this makes you a sitting duck for snipers. You have maybe 200-300 HP more than a scout, but a headshot is an OHK regardless; it might take three body shots rather than two to take you down, but you are much more likely to get hit three times than a scout is to get hit twice.
Not butthurt, I don't have any SP in assaults on my main character. But taking my assault alt for a spin has been an eye opener, and a head opener (my head).
inb4 imbeciles with 1KDRs who can't read, going 'IF U WOZ AS GR8 AS ME UD NEVAR DYE EVAR!!!!11111111111'. if you think its bad for assaults try being a logi.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4511
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Posted - 2014.11.11 03:54:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Joel II X wrote:As a Gallente Assault with an Assault Rifle and an Ion Pistol, I am close range and almost never die from snipers even out in the open.
Your argument is now null. With the Gallente assault and AR you ADS a little less as the range is so poor, which may mitigate things a little. Still, you have not addressed the fundamentals of the argument I am making. You wrote that Assaults are long range combatants, but I told you I use close range weapons. I, also, only have Gallente Assault 1. Today, I kept getting shot by snipers on Manus Peak, but never got killed by any of them. I regen'd before they could ever land a killing blow.
Who needs to address your argument when you've stated an opinion as a fact? Try harder. |
taxi bastard
Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION
270
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Posted - 2014.11.11 04:48:00 -
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meh my mini comando with base EHP seems like the perfect sniper fodder - slower and bigger than my mini assault with slightly less EHP and rep - still got to love the mini mando |
Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1974
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Posted - 2014.11.11 07:16:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:They are fodder for snipers. Let me explain.
Heavies don't really go outside, so snipers aren't a massive issue for them.
Scouts are (1) cloaked, (2) fast, (3) with small hitboxes, and (4) focus on short range combat (shotguns, knives, and rifle hipfire) so they don't ADS much. So snipers see them less often, and miss much more often.
For assaults, you don't have the close range firepower to stay indoors like a heavy. Your place is mid to long range combat. But you (1) don't have a cloak, (2) are relatively slow with a (3) relatively large hitbox, and (4) are reliant on ADS (you're not fast enough to close to hipfire range like a scout usually does).
All of this makes you a sitting duck for snipers. You have maybe 200-300 HP more than a scout, but a headshot is an OHK regardless; it might take three body shots rather than two to take you down, but you are much more likely to get hit three times than a scout is to get hit twice.
Not butthurt, I don't have any SP in assaults on my main character. But taking my assault alt for a spin has been an eye opener, and a head opener (my head).
inb4 imbeciles with 1KDRs who can't read, going 'IF U WOZ AS GR8 AS ME UD NEVAR DYE EVAR!!!!11111111111'. if you think its bad for assaults try being a logi. Agree, commandos as well as someone else said. |
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